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Comedian Avery Moore discusses the isolation of loneliness and lack of self-worth, and the revelation of actually liking oneself.
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Laurie Gallardo: To laugh is to live. Humor can be one of the greatest healers of the human spirit. It can also be one of the darkest places you’ll go to. Welcome to (SPF 1000) Vampire Sunscreen.
Hi, I am Laurie Gallardo. Thank you for listening. (SPF 1000) Vampire Sunscreen is a listener supported production of KUT and KUTX Studios in Austin, Texas. If you like what you’re hearing, you can support this podcast at supportthispodcast.org. Just click the link in the show notes page. And on this episode, a comedic talent who moves beyond the shtick.
She’s genuinely hilarious and basks in the joy of ripping on the ridiculous. And honey, it’s all ridiculous.
Avery Moore: Hello, I am Avery Moore and I am an Austin Texas show business woman. I’m a comedian and an actor and a writer and a a radio person on the Rock radio station. I do that and all sorts of other stuff too. And I just started watercoloring
Laurie Gallardo: From the moment I met Avery some years ago. I knew this was someone who knows comedy.
I’m not gonna mince words here. Comedy is a gift. Not everyone can do it. Avery’s gifted. She not only has the wit and the timing, but she hones in on the human experience. Like, I don’t know, she’s lived it. Hello. Been there, done that. Thinking of writing the book, the movie writes would be nice. So Avery makes the rounds as a performer and host at comedy clubs here in Austin.
She’s worked the Moon Tower Comedy Festival and toured with other badass comedians, including Martha Kelly, Joe Mandy, and the late Louis Anderson. Avery’s also a writer, voice actor and radio personality, emphasis on the personality. Um, now that I have you here, Avery, and I’ve been looking forward to this, I’m gonna ask you the question of questions that I ask every single guest, and I’m still shocked to this day that I have a podcast around this single question.
Avery Moore, what is the darkness to you? What is dark to you?
Avery Moore: The purest darkness I’ve ever been in is when you are so lonely that you can’t see the rest of the world, like pure isolation, loneliness where everything is so dark that you don’t notice anything else going on around you. I think that’s what like real darkness is, and it’s a lack of self-worth. Because everything’s so bad that you can’t see beyond how bad it is.
Laurie Gallardo: I have to tell you how incredible that is because when people talk about loneliness, they seem to only scratch the surface of the definition, and they’re basically talking about other people. You just said self. Worth.
Avery Moore: Yeah, I read a glorious Steinem book and I also
Laurie Gallardo: come on now about
Avery Moore: self-esteem. Yeah. And also I’ve been in, I’ve been going to therapy for three years and my therapist is really smart and explains that self-love is the most important thing.
And that’s, I’ve gotten there after three years. And I think true darkness is when you don’t love yourself. You have no self worth. If you can find that, then you can get through
Laurie Gallardo: anything. It’s amazing to be able to, to go, okay, what can I do about this? Because I’m 55 now, it took me over 40 years to get to the, the self worth.
I didn’t even know what self-worth was. Like what the hell is it? Yeah. What the hell are you talking about? Yeah, of course. I love myself. I said as I continued to beat myself into the ground.
Avery Moore: Mm-hmm. Call yourself terrible names all the time and just think badly of yourself in a way that like, it all sounds so trivial when you say it out loud, but like when you really don’t think that you’re worth anything, that’s a pretty terrible place to be.
But also I think that we are so strong forgetting. Through all the stuff before we’ve realized that we love ourselves. So that’s even more reason to love yourself is ’cause if you’re still around and you’re still going like, Hey, you did all that without even you being on your side.
Laurie Gallardo: It, it, it’s weird to, like I said, you said it’s, it’s weird to say that out loud.
It
Avery Moore: sounds cheap out loud and dumb. Yeah. And I think that that’s why I. Like unfortunately you have to say those goofy things like, I love you to yourself in the mirror and stuff. Yeah, I didn’t do that very well. This is so embarrass. I can’t believe I’m talking about it. No, but I’m so happy to be, but I talk to myself constantly, um, like not just in the mirror.
I just talk to myself and walk myself through my day. I mean, that’s ’cause I’m crazy, but also I’m like my friend now and it’s awesome.
Laurie Gallardo: Uh, first of all, talking to yourself is not crazy. That is an extremely intelligent person at work, says the person who talks to herself constantly, but for a living at least that’s what I, at least that’s what I was told.
Yeah. Um, I used to not really think anything of it and I would have great conversations. And this goes back to when I was a kid and. Someone shamed me. They were like, weirdo, psycho. Yeah. You know? And I’m like, what? No, no.
Avery Moore: If I catch someone talking to themselves, I’m immediately charmed. Immediately. I’m like, no.
Whisper more weird stuff to yourself. Make yourself laugh again.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah. You little angel. Yeah, an angel. I, yes. Now I just think that that kind of clears a lot up when I spend too much time. In my head, which I’ve been doing quite a bit frequently, so I’m kind of thinking, yeah, head jail. Mind Jail
Avery Moore: is what I call it.
It’s mind Jail. I call it Mind Jail. And I was in mind jail for like 15 years, 16 years, for a long, long time, and like. Ugh, when you’re just stuck in there. That’s the loneliness that I was talking about. You can’t see anything else around you and you can’t get out of your head. ’cause everyone says like, mental health is in your head.
Like, uh, yes, yes. That’s where the brain is. Um, Eureka, you. Do dork. Mean dork? Yeah. You need to look inward. Yeah. And look at your heart and also give you some hug. Yeah. Yeah. Why am I saying this stuff? Um, you’re, you’re allowed. I’ll give you a
Laurie Gallardo: hug for sure. Yeah. Now, one connection that I keep making and tell me if I’m wrong, but, um, my whole appreciation for comedy.
It also goes way back and one of the things that’s kept me alive is laughing my ass off.
Avery Moore: Mm-hmm.
Laurie Gallardo: I love it. I live for it. I live for comedic timing. I think that’s why when I met you for the first time, I was like, timing. I live for the bit, Lori. Yeah.
Avery Moore: Thank you for recognizing that in me.
Laurie Gallardo: I, I, I cherish the bit.
I love the bit. Mm-hmm. The bit is important.
Avery Moore: Laughing is the only thing that. It has saved me too, like loving myself has gone along with like being able to make jokes about it or to make myself laugh, to bring myself out of some sort of loop or or whole, you know? It’s really powerful and I think comedy’s being used to make people feel bad currently in a very popular way, and I just hope that that crumbles on itself soon.
And I think it is. But comedy is supposed to. Not just, yeah, it’s supposed to challenge people, but it’s supposed to make them laugh and feel good. And, uh, I felt in the last two years into a very dark place and my comedy was in a very dark place after I got sober because I could think and feel again. And, uh, it’s been messed up.
Really, really every day is very hard. I write lists and I have a calendar with stickers on it of my feelings and stuff. It’s really, it’s fucked up to do all that. Yeah. It feels so silly talking about it, but it like, it keeps, the way that the darkness was creeping in on my comedy pulled me away from like what I actually do.
Um, and. My best friend said that I was pulling away from my material. He was like, you are just taking your feelings and putting those out and like these negative feelings about yourself and what the world is missing and what people are missing from your jokes is that you used to write like really great material about the things you observed or the things you came up with.
And now I would just go up there for the last year until like a few weeks ago, I would go on stage and just hate myself. And it was just getting like mean and dark and no one liked it. Like everyone on sixth Street rolled their eyes every time I went on stage. ’cause they could feel that Debbie was on the way and I was.
Wow. I was like, you know, and I thought that I, what I said was very cleverly worded and very funny, but. It wasn’t true to me. And um, and it’s like there’s ways to do the comedy is therapy thing. Lots of people say that comedy is therapy, but it is not. Um, you gotta go to real therapy and if you don’t go to real therapy, you gotta at least like.
Do the things that help you. I don’t think that talk therapy is even for like a big percentage of people, you know, like that’s not what I’m saying. Like go to a therapist and sit on a couch. Yeah, yeah. Um, like find something that helps you because if you don’t take care of your feelings and your emotional.
Health and your, your ability to emotionally regulate. I don’t think a lot of people know how to do that anymore. And I think it’s because of how we were raised. You gotta take responsibility of that because then you’ll have so much more command of what you do as an artist that’s not gonna take over what you’re doing when you’re on stage.
It was like cex, like, like the venom mask or whatever the, the heck. Like, it’s like, Hey, you hate yourself, right? Because I would have these jokes in this. Material written, but all the jokes were about my failures. So every time I start to talk about that, I would go into my head and I’d literally have panic attacks on stage, but I was autopilot talking about how I sucked.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And like people were laughing and I was still getting booked. But that’s just ’cause people know who I am. And, uh, I think if you really looked at what I’ve been doing for the past couple years, you’d be like, we’re really happy that you’re going to therapy.
Laurie Gallardo: Wow. Because I, I just.
Avery Moore: Feel like I’ve been doing nothing.
I worked through it for sure, but I think that I worked through it on stage for way too long, and I think that comedy’s the only art that has that responsibility. Kind of like I feel responsible to make people laugh and feel good. And with other art, like music and stuff, it can be really sad and beautiful and make you feel good.
But with comedy first, I don’t know why, but in my comedy rules, brain of show business, yeah. I’m. Supposed to make people feel good. So I’ve, I was like not doing my job.
Laurie Gallardo: The thing that keeps coming back to my mind because yeah, you know, there is that thing where you’re taking this loathing and putting it out there. I tend to go the opposite way sometimes because a lot of people told me that I shut down, which is the worst. It drives everyone around me insane, because I don’t wanna share.
I’m surprised that I did. Encourage a lot of other people to go to therapy. I’m really shocked at myself because I thought, man, when I go to therapy, I’m just gonna be glaring. Whoever’s trying to, yeah, not being able to open up. I thought so I didn’t. I wasn’t like that. I thought it was great that we were in a safe place where I could just be like, look and go for it.
But. Yeah, I, I didn’t have
Avery Moore: this freedom until like, probably like a year and a half ago of being able to speak about myself without like, crying. Oh yeah. And like, and in like, in therapy, like I couldn’t even talk about certain subjects, um, without shutting down like that too. Oh, wow. And so it’s helped me so much to be able to take care of those feelings ’cause.
Laurie Gallardo: It’ll just eat you up. It’s all consuming. Yeah. Because it starts to affect everything. Yeah. And
Avery Moore: all of you and everybody has so many good things to offer the world. And when you are stuck inside of yourself and hating yourself, it’s, you’re not just denying your self, your beautiful life, but like everyone, I didn’t accept around
Laurie Gallardo: you.
I didn’t even know that I wasn’t accepting it. That’s the worst part. Yeah. I thought
Avery Moore: I was, yeah,
Laurie Gallardo: I
Avery Moore: thought
Laurie Gallardo: You think you are. I thought that I was, I was like, whatcha are you talking
Avery Moore: about We’re like independent. Cool. Yeah. We, we have our own like style and way of being, we’ve carved our place in like the scene that we’ve been in for a long time.
Wherever we seem to move, you feel like you’re, you’ve got it. And then when you start to really look at like olive. The way that your life is set up. Um, it’s like you don’t know yourself actually. Like you have all those traits and characteristics, but you don’t actually really know.
Laurie Gallardo: So yeah, that’s exactly it.
This, this whole thing that just kind of shed a lot of light on every, you know, again, not just the way I was feeling, but it kind of went all around. It was all encompassing. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. And it isn’t so bad this isn’t an attack because to me everything was an attack. Mm-hmm. Attack, attack, attack. Yeah.
Oh, dare you. You know? Yeah. I, it was ridiculous. And, uh, I got mad abandonment issues.
Avery Moore: All right. So I, I think everything is an attack or an attempt to run away. Yeah. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo: It’s
Avery Moore: true though. I mean, it’s, I love when ice. Spout off the, you know, but I love science and I love when things are written down and I make my freaking therapist explain what’s happening. Yeah. And yeah, like the neural pathways and like, things like that because it helps me to figure out, like, I don’t know, just helps me to visualize everything.
Laurie Gallardo: I love that. Never even thought of the, the, you know, the actual scientific side of it. When you’re
Avery Moore: saying all that stuff to yourself, you are creating these like pathways of being and these habits and things like actually in your brain. So you’re, when you are presented with a situation, you’re gonna instantly start to hate yourself and doubt yourself.
And then, then if you change your perception of yourself and you keep doing that and keep. Talking about yourself in a good way. Eventually that becomes the default, and that has taken a lot of time. But that’s like in the, this summer has started to happen in my brain. It’s like digging a trench or something.
Yeah, yeah. And
Laurie Gallardo: planting good seeds and planting the good seeds. Mm-hmm. I’m obsessed with the patterns and uh, you know, I started hearing people go, alright, the things that no longer serve you. And, and that actually clicked with me for some reason. Um, because that one’s hard. ’cause how do you know which ones well?
How do you know? And I have to, uh, sit and I’m still grappling. Okay. Just full disclosure, but there’s been like so much stuff happening. I don’t know what your beliefs are, but it just seems too much to be a coincidence. Or maybe I’m noticing things more. It could even be that, but.
Avery Moore: I got spiritual too. Hey, you got, you got when I got sober.
You get
Laurie Gallardo: the spiritual side. Check it out.
Avery Moore: Look, look, I’m, I’m an Italian on, which,
Laurie Gallardo: no, I’m not. I, it’s just, it’s something I don’t do Spells. Oh, I do think that that’s dangerous. I do all the time
Avery Moore: because I’m too goofy. You poof. See, I’m too goofy. I think I’m gonna mess it up and open up a terrible portal or something and the monster’s gonna come kill us all.
’cause I said the word wrong, you know? It’s all right. What? I have lots of new spell books. I haven’t really been reading about, like old European, old World religion and stuff, and like, yeah. Um, and so when I read it, I won’t read those spell parts out loud.
Laurie Gallardo: Well, you know, you don’t have to substation. It’s a fascinating read.
I’ve been reading a lot about old Mexican traditions. Hell yeah. And you know, all kinds of backgrounds, which they. Tend to lump it under the category witchcraft. But a lot of these practices that go way back and, you know, a lot of ancestral stuff and mm-hmm. I think no matter what you believe, I think it is a fascinating and important read.
Yeah. You know, survival and love. It all goes into this no matter what. Yeah. So, eh, I say embrace it. If it fascinates you, embrace it.
Avery Moore: If it fascinates you, embrace it. ’cause if it makes you feel good, that’s the point.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah.
Avery Moore: That’s the whole thing. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo: Do what ye will and harm no one, but the
Avery Moore: patterns and all the things and music speaking to you and all that kind of stuff.
Like that’s happening all the time now. Yeah, and I thought that that wasn’t real. I was a atheist in high school. I have an upside out cross on my. Ribs. So when I would go to the pool, my grandparents and parents could see it. Lovely, lovely. Isn’t it? And now I’m like, I love you, big guy. I dunno. I have no clue what’s going on.
But I was raised Catholic. Yeah. And now I’m like, dude, ghost surreal. Nature is God, and that’s all I know.
Laurie Gallardo: When we come back, Avery talks about the evolution of her comedy and the importance of empathy. Stay tuned.
Welcome back to SPF 1000 Vampire Sunscreen and my conversation with Avery Moore.
Avery Moore: I don’t remember learning anything in the years that I was in Catholic school. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don’t remember anything I learned. All I remember is being in the chapel and eating blueberry muffins. Wow. Like I’d, I can’t tell you that if I actually learned anything in there.
I think I was just eating muffins and hanging out with nuns and hanging out with the, in the church. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo: And just remembering what the church looked like. Probably
Avery Moore: my, you know this place ’cause it’s off 35. I went to Our Lady of Perpetual Help, which is really in Selma behind the racetrack. Well, what you know up,
Laurie Gallardo: I was gonna say how convenient.
Avery Moore: Yeah. For my dad.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah. Yeah.
I, it’s like, hmm, I have been, I have been right there before.
Avery Moore: Yeah. When you drive past, when you’re going to San Antonio, it’s not that right there. Red brick or
Laurie Gallardo: like
Avery Moore: brick
Laurie Gallardo: church
Avery Moore: thing. What a
Laurie Gallardo: trip the world keeps, keeps what? Shrinking. Aver. I know. I, I don’t know if I can handle it anymore. That was
Avery Moore: just when I was little.
Think I didn’t go to Catholic school in, um, middle school or high school.
Laurie Gallardo: I think that would’ve been worse. Going from my friends’ experiences, I think it would’ve been worse. Yeah. Because people in my life from El Paso who did go to Catholic school, yeah. I’ll just end right there. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. But you know you are gonna take, take everything and hopefully, hopefully, if you didn’t learn something from that, you’ll learn in the future what to avoid.
Avery Moore: Exactly. And also like I’ve been thinking about this a lot with my relation to like the world and how I just believed every, I still, I’m still gullible and I still believe in everything, and I just believed in all the things that they told us. To like, on how to be good and that those were the rules. And so I just kept doing that and like no one else does.
Right, right. You know, I figured out, I figured, figured out a little while ago that no one else. Yeah. Uh, not, not no one else, but I mean, it’s just like, it’s really weird that. My brother is very religious and my sister is religious too, but not like super religious, but they stayed in the religion and like, you know, my sister like carni, you know, and then I like completely defected and went away, but like the golden rule is like stuck inside of me and I treat every person like they were, they could be Jesus or whatever.
You know,
Laurie Gallardo: but what is wrong with a little empathy?
Avery Moore: No, we need way more, way more. We needed way, way, way more like, like, like thousands of more people. Mm-hmm. Lots. Hundreds of thousands of more people need to. Start caring about other people, it would be great. And I’m not preaching here, I’m just saying we should start caring about humans again and nature, period.
Because we stopped caring about the environment and we stopped caring about each other.
Laurie Gallardo: Period. Yeah. Uh uh. Just more empathy would go a long way. Mm-hmm. A long way before I start preaching, I panic. It’s dying. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t like that. So I tend to, you should take care of each other. I tend to be the, the empathy rebel.
Yeah. I’m like, haha, what can I do? To inspire people.
Avery Moore: A little kindness. Let’s take it all the way back around. I feel like I was just screaming at people on stage to be better people and like hating myself on stage and that’s not the way to do it either, you know, like that is the disconnect. You need to take care of yourself.
Laurie Gallardo: And have empathy for others. That’s where I messed up because Yeah. Yelling at everyone and like, why can’t you da, da, da da.
Avery Moore: Yeah. But you’re, we’re usually projecting things from ourselves. Yeah. And like, you know, and we’re usually calling out people for the things that we feel inside too. And like, even if we don’t feel it outwardly, it’s internalized.
And so. I wanna like burn Waymo’s and like, I wanna carry a bat around all the time now. And I’ve, I’ve kind of been like chasing big trucks and stuff. Um, and also like, I want to like not do that and just speak kind and, and speak love to everyone. Um, and we’re not, I don’t think we’re. In a world that we can do that, we can pick one or the other anymore.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah.
Avery Moore: And that sucks.
Laurie Gallardo: Big time. Big time. But I’m gonna keep going forward.
Avery Moore: Yeah, me too.
Laurie Gallardo: Because I, you know, there are days where it’s like, this bed is nice, I think I’ll just stay here. Mm-hmm. And I do the cheerleader bit. I, I have to. I have to mm-hmm. Every day now, um, even on days off or supposed vacation days, whatever that is, you know, I still have to do what I call the cheerleader thing, where I’m like, okay.
The fact that you can get outta bed by yourself is awesome. Mm-hmm. If you wanna take a shower, even better, you can do that by yourself. Great. Yep. And I, and I even, I sound moronic when you’re doing it. When you’re
Avery Moore: doing it and, and, but, but that’s the stuff that makes you laugh. When you’re talking to yourself.
Yeah. And you make yourself laugh, and then you feel better, I start cracking up. Like with the cheerleading, I usually start cracking up. Yeah. ’cause of the dumb stuff that I’m saying to myself. Yes. Yeah. It just felt ridic.
Laurie Gallardo: It felt ridiculous. Way to go, honey, you are amazing. I cannot be, you did all those dishes by yourself.
Wow. I do. I
Avery Moore: go, woo-hoo. I do that in my everyday life. But that’s my big cheer on for me is woo-hoo. I love it.
Laurie Gallardo: And you gotta keep woo-hoo the whole time. I’m telling you, I, I, I think it, it’s an excellent tool. I use that every day. I have to use it every day.
Avery Moore: Yeah. The woo-hoo. Woo-hoo yourself outta bed. I don’t get outta bed a lot ever either, so.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah.
Avery Moore: Yeah. So now, you know, I’m
Laurie Gallardo: like, what? What? What’s your woo-hoo, you know, gonna be asking from now? Yeah. Hey guys, what’s your, Woohoo. What’s your woo-hoo. What? Woo.
All right, before I wrap this beautiful conversation up. I’m gonna turn the tables. The tables have turned. Okay? Ooh. And now Avery, you get to ask me a question, but make it count. It can’t be like, what’s your favorite color? ’cause then black,
Avery Moore: sorry, guy. Um, I know that one we’re friends, you know. Come on, Laurie. I already know that one. Come on, Laurie. A little credit. Oh man. I gotta ask you a question.
Laurie Gallardo: Well, I mean, you know, yes. It could be something you’ve been curious about. It could be anything. It could be related to my job or it could be related to the music I love, or something like that.
Do you write poetry? You know, I used to when I was younger and then. I’ve been, for whatever reason, um, struggling, not necessarily with creative writing, but with like writing that I have to do for work. I don’t really know how to write about music. I’m always getting antsy and I go, I don’t write about music.
I listen to it. Hell yeah. So I, I, I struggle, you know, I don’t, I don’t review stuff very well. I don’t know how I can’t wrap my brain around it because I’m constantly going. Who cares. I mean, people are gonna love or not like whatever. Mm-hmm. I’ve always thought that way. But when it comes to poetry, this may be out of anger, but like first there was the high school poetry, and I think a lot of people do.
That time went on and I didn’t really see myself doing that until I got into my late thirties, like going into 40. And then a few years ago, I think it was pre Pandemic era, I wrote this poem. It was Fit for Rage, and it was about some guy who, you know. Uh, it was funny though. Yeah. It was hysterically funny that always the ugh felt I wrote and I, I wrote it, but I wrote it though.
I wrote it out and then I read it on an Instagram post it and who cares? It’s not, you know, I don’t say this is about so and so ’cause eh, who cares who it’s about? Yeah. But, but getting it out. It was so comical because I referenced Godzilla and Freddie Krueger and it wasn’t necessarily about this person.
Mm-hmm. It’s just, imagine Godzilla running away in fear, or Freddie Krueger going, the hell with this, I’m out. You know? That made me laugh even more.
Avery Moore: Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo: So I wrote this long, beautiful thing, and I have it to this day, but I think now occasionally. Yeah. I still find moments that I can do that. Yeah. And it’s great.
And it, it doesn’t have to be little ones. They’re, they’re little ones, little fleeting moments mm-hmm. That I try and capture. Cool.
Avery Moore: Yeah. Do you write poetry? Yeah. Like that? Hell yeah. Little fleeting moments. If I think of something, I write it down. That’s my role for like comedy writing as well too. But, um, I’m letting myself be open to the other ideas I have.
I wouldn’t write down any of the feelings or, or thoughts that I would have that weren’t comedic. I was like, get out here. Where are there notes? Um, and now I write all the stuff down, but like in, it’s all over. It’s not in like any specific place. Um, but yeah, I’ve been writing little poems in my notes and it’s been really fun, like just speaking ’em.
Laurie Gallardo: Yeah, you can speak them. Absolutely. Record that. When you write, do you have one set place or is it just everywhere? Everywhere. Yeah. I’m fascinated by that. ’cause I’m obsessed with like people I wish I
Avery Moore: had a desk and like a space. Yeah. I do have a desk and I don’t use it for that. Yeah. Um, I hear you. And I never have, I’ve just never been able to.
Like, like the space in your room where you’re supposed to do your homework. Like what the heck do you That also what space in my room? Yeah. I don’t have a space in my room for that. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I just, it I, I. I’ll forget if I don’t write it down too. And I had to train myself ’cause I would just get so sad when I would forget stuff.
Yeah. Just be like, God man, what was that? It was brilliant. And so now it’s, even if it, I don’t think it’s that funny. I, I’ll write it down. I just love getting it out. And see, I said funny. Yeah. And I’m talking about feelings. Even if it, the feelings aren’t funny, I’ll write that
Laurie Gallardo: down. You know, you can write whatever.
It’s everything now. It’s everything. And getting it out. And I, and I also love recording stuff and it’s not gonna mean anything to anybody. Mm-hmm. But. Putting stuff together later is also a joy of mine, and I’ve been doing that as well and, and opening things that I did do in a fury of who the hell knows what it was.
And. Going back and looking. I’m like, and looking at that. This is great. Yes. I mean, yeah. You know, it does make me kind of, ooh, not cringe, but like, not cringe, but like, but I’m like, whoa. Yeah. This is, this was a time. Mm-hmm. And I’m glad I did it. And you’re past it. Yeah. And you’re past it. You’re past it.
Mm-hmm. And you passed the hell. Do I keep forgetting that it’s gonna pass? Yeah. Avery. It’s crazy, Avery. Yeah, I’m, I’m glad that you came by today.
Avery Moore: I’m glad too. You asked me, uh, first, and I told you that I was too sad. Remember,
I’m too sad. I said, what does darkness mean? No, no, no, no. I’m sorry. I can’t do that right now.
Laurie Gallardo: Many thanks to the fabulously funny Avery Moore for sharing her reflections and observations, and for always making me laugh. Your vampire sunscreen host and creator is me. Yours truly. Lori Gudo, editing and mixing by Jack Anderson. Original music composed by Renee Chavez Graphic designed by Dave McClinton.
Very special thanks to our engineer and producer Tou Thomas. And thank you to our fearless podcast leader, Elizabeth McQueen. SPF 1000 Vampire Sunscreen is a listener supported production of KUT and KUTX studios in Austin, Texas. And if you like what you’re hearing, you can support our work@supportthispodcast.org.
Please make sure to leave us a rating or review wherever you listen. And now something to keep in mind. We search for the light, but behold the darkness. Until next time.
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