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Jonathan Horstmann, Kevin Naquin, and Paxel Foley of Urban Heat discuss where the band falls on the light-dark spectrum and finding one’s inner child in the darkness.
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Laurie Gallardo This may not be a trip you’ve taken before. And when it comes to the work I typically do, neither have I. Welcome to SPF 1000 vampire sunscreen. Hi, I’m Laura Gallardo. Welcome to my new podcast. Thank you for listening. Though speaking into a microphone is nothing new for me. This is my first podcast. And though I do have an inclination toward dark tastes like goth music, books, film, stuff like that, I’ve never publicly shared conversations about dark things or what exactly darkness means to different people. As you might guess, it’s different for everyone. And these are indeed some dark times. But what I’m bringing to the table is this Perhaps taking a deeper look and having these conversations will make us appreciate the light even more. That’s at the heart of our podcast journey together. I only ask one question of my guests What is the darkness to you or what is dark to you? So are you ready? I’m not sure I am, but I’m just going to go for it. Let’s jump right in with our first guests.
Jonathan Hortsmann I am Jonathan Horstman and I play guitar and sing and play some sense in urban heat.
Kevin Naquin I’m Kevin Naquin in a place scents and guitars and urban heat.
Paxel Foley Paxel Foley Bass guitar and bass synth.
Laurie Gallardo If you don’t know, my day job is being a show host at KUTX 98.9 in Austin. If you heard my show, surely you’ve heard me sing the praises of Urban Heat. It’s interesting because they’re not a goth band per se, but they appeal a lot to that sensibility, that darker end of the musical spectrum. Jonathan, Kevin and Paxil are also lovely people, wonderful human beings, and they’ve each been through a lot. So now that I have you all here. Don, Don, Don. The question of ages. And again, this is a unique situation because I usually just talk to one person at a time, but I have all three members of urban eight. So I present this to each one of you. Tell me, what is the darkness to you? What is dark to you?
Kevin Naquin Well, I guess the darkness is just like absence of light. You know, it’s like the counterpart, the yin to the yang. It’s like where we come from. But also, like when we return, when we’re not on this plane. You know what I mean? That’s my.
Paxel Foley Case. This plane is dark. This world is dark. Everything about it is dark. Everything. Tom, you wake up to go try to make money to pay rent. Everything you watch on TV, social media, everything that’s like you think is for your benefit. Like whether it’s like a phone or Venmo. I was just talking about this. It’s always nefarious. Everything’s nefarious. But in on the surface level, it seems, he’s making my life better, faster, whatever. But it’s all in this area. So this whole world is dark, People are controlled, the world is dark. People that are influenced by his will have dark things. That’s why everybody’s going through the things that they go through in this world. And that’s the way I look at it. And that’s why I approach everything dark.
Kevin Naquin Like me.
Paxel Foley Like me.
Laurie Gallardo Hell yeah.
Jonathan Hortsmann When I think about what the darkness means to me, I kind of think of like the shadow self in that shadow work, those aspects of personality that are kind of that growing edge or that kind of that monster inside, basically, like your inner child who wasn’t taken care of and has kind of grown into this sort of beast that can destroy everything if it’s allowed to kind of take control and then kind of doing that shadow work of of embracing that beast and recognizing that that is just a hurt child that became that and try to do the work to heal that inner child, but also to embrace those parts of yourself that are sort of the shadow self and allow them figure out where it can actually be beneficial to allow that beast to come out, you know, become friends with it. That’s kind of what what the darkness means to me.
Laurie Gallardo All of these answers resonate so much with me. And I will start, Kevin, with what you were saying earlier, something as simple as switching on a light and turning it off. A lot of times I have to turn it off. And then there’s the other side of it for me when I turn off. When I shut down. Not really a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve seen the different ways that I will shut down. One of the worst things in the world, but very necessary in order for me to fully appreciate or comprehend or embrace that light that I have within me. Axel, let me tell you, you hit a nerve, and I shall explain as best I can. It’s been harder for me to get out of bed every damn day, but I. There’s a stubborn part of me, whether it’s getting myself to laugh, which I do love to laugh. I love comedy. That’s been a huge help. But there is an urgency that I have now that’s been amped up. I need to do this right now. Well, I need to think of this right now. I need to take care of this right now. When in reality, tapping on the brakes has helped me more than that urgency has ever done.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, no doubt.
Laurie Gallardo So just from what you said, I’m like, absolutely. And when I when I put my phone down, right when I’m there, presents for my family, my friends or whomever, whomever I’m talking with.
Kevin Naquin Just a moment.
Laurie Gallardo The moment in the moment being in the moment. And I never knew what that meant previously. How how interesting that I had to admit that out loud not too long ago. Being in the moment. In the moment. You don’t have to run away.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo Or you don’t have to run to.
Kevin Naquin True.
Laurie Gallardo This is where you’re at because I have that hamster wheel. Only it’s a killer hamster who’s on speed. And he’s very angry. And he’s going 190 miles an hour.
Kevin Naquin What’s that? Cocaine there. Meth hamster. Meth. Faster.
Laurie Gallardo Look out for.
Kevin Naquin Meth.
Laurie Gallardo Hamster.
Kevin Naquin Coming this Halloween.
Laurie Gallardo Come on, Dawn. Or worse.
Kevin Naquin Costume from Urban. He’s.
Laurie Gallardo It’s meth hamster. And Jonathan, this child and I, we have not had a very good relationship with each other for many, many years. So much so that it’s gotten me into legal trouble, financial trouble, you name it. And only when I began to say you’re all right. You are so incredible. I wish you knew. I’m here to hug you and to love you. And to say, Hey, do not do that. Do not hate yourself. But that did not come easily at all.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo So a lot of anger here, a lot of fury. So my kid, I like to say my kid. She can be hostile, not always necessarily defensive, but that does come up. And I’ve been doing better with that. But it is absolutely out of fear. You know, it’s heartbreaking to think about that. So I’m trying to let her know, hey, you’ve got permission to be in a great mood. You got permission to be silly. You get permission to love all of this music and be proud to tell people, this is actually my work. This is my job.
Paxel Foley All right.
Kevin Naquin I got a question for both of you. All right. You’re young yourself. Would they be proud of who y’all are now? Would they be like. They’d be happy with it. Would they be like, Damn, y’all like person, y’all?
Jonathan Hortsmann I think I think mine would. And that’s kind of part of the process of embracing that inner child is sort of telling them that and telling yourself that. And part of that process is to just like, like you were saying, like being present and being in the moment, just allowing all of that to come up and just and just feeling it. But yeah, I think it’s also it’s a really powerful sort of exercise. You can like write a letter to your past self and let them know where you’re at and let them know that it’s okay and that you’re sorry that like this or this happened and like that doesn’t mean that you’re this or this kind of person and sort of tell your self kind of parenting yourself, telling your inner child all the things that they needed to hear when those things all happened, you know, and then remembering that, yeah, when I think of my inner child, I think of like somewhere between like four and 12. But I definitely know teenage me would be pretty proud of me right now, at least career wise. He probably be really upset with me politically because he was a like wanted to be a crusty punk kid and.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, and.
Jonathan Hortsmann I’ve probably become too practical.
Kevin Naquin Yeah. I mean, that’s.
Laurie Gallardo Sometimes out of.
Kevin Naquin Necessity. Yes, it’s.
Jonathan Hortsmann Survival. It’s survival. It’s when my I became much more mellow when I had children. But then also I’m kind of I’m becoming kind of re radicalized through some of the people that I’ve been able to connect with through this music and recognizing the power that we kind of have through our platform, but trying to wield that very strategically. I think we’ve got really big plans for the ways that we want to shape the world around us. And I think we have to be strategic around that because if we come out of the closet, as radical as we truly are, as people too early, then it could hamper that.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, you won’t be.
Jonathan Hortsmann Able to have that.
Kevin Naquin Ego.
Paxel Foley Though. I’m not really trying to play those politics. I’m who I am since I since birth. I’m who I am now. And you got like, my thing is, is like, you know, I’m always been radical. I’m always going to show you what I feel and you are problem with that. Then we don’t need to have conversation anymore too. If, you know, like if it’s like, I don’t wanna listen to your music because it is and whatever, you know what I mean? Those ten people will.
Laurie Gallardo Usually it’s this one person that doesn’t want to hear it. And don’t worry. 20, 25, 30 people will make up for the right. Or at least that’s been my experience, right? Sometimes existing. You don’t have a choice, right? You. You’re born. You have to be political.
Paxel Foley You have to like my mother used to tell me, like, you know, I’m a black man in this world, you know, and I’m not going to get a lot of, like, opportunity, you know, So I have to make these opportunity. And like, if people shut the door and I just got to keep going to the next door, you know, I’ve been hustling this whole time, trying to, like, make it through this dark world we’ve been talking about, you know? So I’m not worried about what people think about me. I don’t I’m not worried about anything. I have you know, I have a support group. I have these dude. I have people everywhere, you know, So it’s like they support me. I’ll support you. You don’t support me. So be it. Whatever.
Laurie Gallardo That’s one thing for me walking away, which I didn’t do easily, which sometimes I still don’t.
Paxel Foley Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo And that has been empowering. And Kevin, to answer your question, I don’t know why, but lately I see 5 or 6 year old Laurie, Laurie and.
Kevin Naquin Gloriana.
Laurie Gallardo When I got busted, she would be in or she’d be like. Wow, You do what? Wow. Like, all excited. And then there’s angry 12 year old Laurie. She’d be like, Yeah, you’re pretty cool. Okay. I didn’t know that was possible, but still, like, a weird cynicism that I feel. And why was why did I have that at age 11, 12, especially 12, 13, I would say, but still impressed. She’d be like, okay, I see you getting a little crazy there. Good for you. So it’s a mix of that. Yeah. And still, still, I’m still nurturing that kid because she really put a lot of pain on herself and I’m like, You don’t deserve that. Come here. Let me give you a big hug. Yeah, I sound ridiculous, but I promise I’m not being.
Paxel Foley You know, I get it now.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Paxel Foley Sure.
Kevin Naquin Well, I think they should be proud of you.
Laurie Gallardo Thank you.
Kevin Naquin Thanks.
Laurie Gallardo I love that.
Paxel Foley I mean, you put a lot of light into the world by doing what you do on the air. You know, you’re.
Kevin Naquin An icon for real.
Paxel Foley And I told you this before. I like. I know you. I like try to say your name. I’m listening to it on the radio. I really like. That’s my homegirl Lori.
Kevin Naquin Right, Right.
Paxel Foley So, like, if you don’t, you know, if you’re thinking that like, you know, life is, you know, being you down or whatever, but, you know, they’re just people like us. They’re like, really bad and for you. And you always look out for us, too, So.
Laurie Gallardo Well, I’m proud to represent that. I love to say this. So you all make my job easy. Like I’m like. And let me play you this track now. And I feel lucky that especially with the team that are. Working with here. These are genuine music lovers, and they get it. They’re not like, What are you doing? Instead they’re like, when did Urban he put this one out? Okay. And I get to play that.
Paxel Foley Right.
Laurie Gallardo That is a unique experience. And sometimes when you get so caught up in whatever your brain is being hijacked by, you, forget. That’s scary when that happens.
Paxel Foley Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo When I woke up today, it’s like, okay, you know what? Get that cup of tea that you love so much. Guess what you’re going to do right now. And don’t let the freeway get you crabby. Don’t worry about parking. If that’s the worst of your problems. Lori Great. Fantastic. There was someone who asked me recently like, what kind of guests are you having for your podcast? And I’m like, Well, it’s not just musicians. This kind of goes across the board. I’m asking different artists. I’m perhaps asking just people in our community who have been doing different things, who do nonprofit work. It runs across the board. It’s going to be everyone. But then I hear, Well, how dark are they? Know I make inappropriate jokes. I am a lovely cinnamon. And I start doing that and they’re like, No, no, no, no. Meaning, do you have to be this dark personality? And like, that’s not true. First of all, everyone has that. Everyone has it. Whether you have it at the surface or not.
Kevin Naquin Whether you’re wearing all black or not. And I would love it for people not wearing all black.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah. Yeah, that is the truth. Would you necessarily say that that urban heat has a darker sound, has a darker edge? I think that this is something I love, but what I call it necessarily dark.
Paxel Foley Right?
Kevin Naquin I mean, we all played in the past and always grew up loving, like dark music, whatever genre it being. Like, if you want to say like dark hip hop music, yeah, we love Wu-Tang and Grave diggers. You know, if we love certain metal, it would be like some of the darker stuff, not necessarily Norwegian Black metal, which.
Laurie Gallardo You know, I.
Kevin Naquin Grew up with like acid baths, you know, and so on.
Paxel Foley And all.
Kevin Naquin Those things.
Jonathan Hortsmann It’s all, it’s all comparative. It depends on what you’re comparing it to because, yeah, there’s stuff that’s, that is darker than urban. Like, absolutely, completely. Is there stuff that urban heat is way darker then? Absolutely. It’s just it just depends on where you’re what you’re comparing it to and where it sits in your personal life. Musical as I guess your personal understanding of music, you know.
Kevin Naquin And that’s just not sonically. I mean, lyrical content. You go to deep places, you know.
Jonathan Hortsmann Yeah, it gets dark lyrically, but then it also there’s always I try to always have some redemption.
Laurie Gallardo And I was also thinking sonically, I was also thinking tones playing the bass certain way, playing your synths a certain way.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo The way your vocals might go. I’m just like, I tend to lean in a direction like that. But again, it’s like you’re saying, it’s all relative. What direction are you coming from? How are you looking at it? What are your personal experiences?
Jonathan Hortsmann Yeah, I mean, that’s what’s beautiful about music because it doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Music and all art exists with the viewer, with the person who is experiencing it. The experiences of the viewer, the lens that they are viewing your work with is just as important as the work itself and the intention that was put into that work.
Kevin Naquin And everyone experienced in their own unique way. Yeah, because of what they bring to their team.
Jonathan Hortsmann So all you can do is just make stuff that you think slabs do good work and share it and just put it into the world and let it do its thing. Let people have relationships with it. Let them have experiences with it, and don’t let that affect the way that you make your next work, you know?
Laurie Gallardo That’s exactly it. I really think people kind of have a misperception about the creative process. I understand it’s different for everyone. You’re going to approach it differently, but really what you do, you’re doing it for yourself. Ultimately, you’re not doing this to become a big star. You’re doing it because this is what you’re feeling. You’ve connected with other people maybe to form a band. And it sounds like this and you put it out there. Now it’s great when you can run with it. It’s great if people do respond. However, they do, you know, if they’re energized by it, even better take it on the road. I love that. That’s awesome. But ultimately, this is your release or it has been for me personally. Yeah. We’re, you.
Kevin Naquin Know, a lot of us, it’s the only constant in our life. Like, a lot of people have come and gone a lot of, like, places, things we’ve done. But the music has always been with us. We’ve all three of us, I think, have been doing this for 20 years or more. You know, since we got as far as we can remember, essentially.
Jonathan Hortsmann It’s like it’s breathing.
Kevin Naquin Yeah. And I mean, when it can be therapeutic, when it can be something that you look forward to when there’s not a lot to look forward to. Even better.
Laurie Gallardo That’s what it’s been for me.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Jonathan Hortsmann No doubt. And then if you can buy a meal off of it, then better.
Kevin Naquin Better get paid to go overseas. Something like. Even if we come back with no money, the experience itself is going to be well worth all of it.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah. It’s crazy. It’s intense.
Jonathan Hortsmann Yeah. Because when people think about career focused people, they tend to think like 9 to 5 ish. Right? Because that’s just what we think of. But like, when you’re trying to make a career as an artist, you’re pretty career focused. And when you’re that career focused, it can be very difficult to remember that it’s about the process and not the destination. It’s about the journey. Well, I was asked because we’re going on tour soon, and I was asked recently like what I’m looking forward to the most. And I honestly say part of me is most looking forward to it being over. Not because I don’t I’m not going to enjoy it, but everything but the feeling of like when we come home in December after having done all of that, that’s going to feel amazing. At the same time, it’s so important to sit with every day and all of these experiences and and that’s part of that sense of urgency that we live with every day that you were talking about earlier, that that kind of it doesn’t really do us any favors to just be like, go, go, go, go, go. And it can be really difficult to do that on the road sometimes to slow down because there’s always something else coming. Always something else to do. Yeah.
Kevin Naquin Just got to pace yourself. Yeah, that’s like the hardest thing when you’re on the road because the days just sink into each other.
Laurie Gallardo Every day when someone says, Now pace yourself.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo It’s like with what?
Kevin Naquin Right.
Jonathan Hortsmann You pace yourself. Do you know what I got going on?
Laurie Gallardo That’s right. I remember I used to tell people I forgot to breathe. Yeah, I forgot to breathe. And that’s actually a real thing where.
Kevin Naquin You have.
Laurie Gallardo To teach yourself or like do some exercises, doesn’t have to be something strenuous. You just sit and you breathe. Be mindful of your breathing. And previously I would look at people like, What are you talking about? You freak. That meant nothing to me. Nothing. And now it means more than ever before. My life being in a better mood. Being able to slow down, being able to listen to the music and not just drive myself nuts. Breathing. I love it. It’s great. May we continue to do so for a long time anyway.
Kevin Naquin And.
Laurie Gallardo So the tables have turned. This is a podcast, but I’m making like the table. I can’t really turn this table. We tried before. It’s round, but not happening. So the tables have turned. And now that I’ve asked you the big question, you all get to ask me a question. But make it count. Kevin. I know you will.
Jonathan Hortsmann Each get one.
Laurie Gallardo I think that’s fair enough.
Kevin Naquin Can we go to work.
Laurie Gallardo And come up with a big, big, giant one? It’s up to you.
Kevin Naquin I think I’m must sit this one out since I actually could.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah, I was going to say, Kevin. Kevin got a good question in earlier, and I was like, well done. So, nope, no pressure. But I always say make it count.
Kevin Naquin Your on air voice and like the things that you do like I’m kind of worded in a way that’s not like a shtick, you know what I mean? But how long did it take you to develop like your on air personality, or was it just like immediately you were like, This is how I’m going to do it, This is how I’m going to be.
Laurie Gallardo You’re right. I wouldn’t call it a shtick, no. But for me, I grew up hearing a lot of different deejays. And even though you heard the ones that always sounded like that, there were people out there who had personalities, actual personalities, they let themselves come through, too. I remember very distinctly one her name was Libby. She worked at KFI Am in El Paso. She kind of looked like Stevie Nicks, and she was very kind to annoying kids like me who always had to call. She was so sweet. And she was herself and she was so laid back and she was funny. And another guy I remember his name was Jeffrey Scott at KLA. Q And again, his personality, he was naturally funny. He was a producer, so he could create very funny parodies that were actually funny. Nothing like things that you hear now. Sorry for the old ladies coming out. He was actually very clever, and he thought things through. And it was. It was a lot of fun. And he did it. They didn’t send it off to a studio in l.a. He made these things.
Kevin Naquin This is great. I got, like, a two part question because you got your influences as well.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah. So those are my influences and I wasn’t really thinking in terms of how will I sound or how would I sound. When I started in radio, it was in public radio in El Paso, and I had to keep it dry because I was news and classical music and stuff like that. But still I was able to bring a little bit of my personality. And I think that for me is what kind of would shine.
Kevin Naquin Yeah. And how long did it take you before you realized, this is my voice? This is like I’m doing this?
Laurie Gallardo I honestly don’t know when I realized, okay, this is my voice. I just know that over the span of time, it had to develop on its own. I couldn’t really focus like, this is how I’m going to write. That doesn’t make sense to me.
Kevin Naquin Instead, yeah.
Laurie Gallardo It was just me finding my way because I was in commercial radio for about maybe three years.
Kevin Naquin And I love it because like I feel like the best are just natural. Like you can, like, hear a voice that’s on the radio and then you get a So I’m a sports guy, you know, I grew up I actually wanted to be a sports broadcaster. That was like my like ultimate dream. It like to live. So my, my kid, my younger self might not be that impressed with what I’m doing now. He wants to be like a baseball like announcer. Right. But you get or you hear someone like that in person and that looks like, you know, they sound like that in person. And you’re like, How do they sound like this in a conversation? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it’s actually really them. It’s natural. And your voice has that same kind of organic, natural thing.
Laurie Gallardo So I appreciate that. Thank you.
Paxel Foley Now, do you have a favorite local band or people that you’ve like followed through your career? It could be past me now. Could be.
Kevin Naquin Can’t be urban.
Paxel Foley He can be in the future. It can’t be. Everything okay?
Laurie Gallardo Okay.
Paxel Foley Yeah. Do you have a favorite band that you’re just like, man, like this is live or, you know, their songs, videos, they’re static, they’re band. It’s just like, man, like in the past, too. It could be in the past that you’re just like, Man.
Laurie Gallardo That that was it. I was like, Wow.
Paxel Foley Yeah. Like they.
Laurie Gallardo Enjoy this.
Paxel Foley Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo The one that I’ve really been thinking about recently because that’s always a tough question for me. And I know I’m going to remember something once we’re done, too. Right, Right, right. But thinking back and seeing them now, I would have to say one of those bands would be Big Bill.
Paxel Foley Yeah, Big build. Awesome. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo It’s because they make me laugh like I would be.
Paxel Foley You can tell are like really good friends.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah that sit.
Paxel Foley Around and they just do things together because. It like they’re like, one person have idea. And they were like, just do it. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo And they go for it.
Paxel Foley Go for it.
Kevin Naquin Make each other laugh a lot.
Laurie Gallardo They really. Yes, they do. I mean, it’s not just me. I mean, I’m usually watching them crack each other up, right?
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo And there was one beautiful moment. It was. I think it was at the 13th floor. I don’t know, like I don’t know if it was Eric. I don’t know who started dancing, but there were three of us on the stage. They weren’t even playing. It was just music playing above. And we just started doing these moves and someone caught it on their phone and I was like, this is special.
Kevin Naquin That’s great.
Laurie Gallardo But just the just the sound, the way they sound is a.
Paxel Foley Song that they had. What is it like they put in their two weeks or whatever? Like I when I first heard that, I was like, Yeah, that’s me. That’s me right.
Kevin Naquin There.
Paxel Foley If I even put into that.
Kevin Naquin Show.
Paxel Foley Again.
Laurie Gallardo It’s it’s just that really has made me smile. And to see them just kind of going forward and and yes. And speaking up and saying it out loud. Yeah. And being straightforward about whatever. I love that. I love that about them. And that’s been exciting to.
Paxel Foley See a lot of.
Laurie Gallardo All of that on.
Paxel Foley Film off for sure. Yeah, sure. You have another one. Did you come up? Could you say one of them.
Kevin Naquin You don’t have. There’s many. No.
Laurie Gallardo And fair enough. It’s just sometimes are always nerves. I go home and I draw a blank.
Paxel Foley I do that all the time. That’s why I don’t like doing interviews.
Laurie Gallardo And I don’t blame you.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, I don’t.
Laurie Gallardo Blame you one bit. Like, who is your biggest influence?
Kevin Naquin Yeah, I don’t know. A Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry? Because he influenced everything. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo He was. Fair enough. Like, fair enough.
Jonathan Hortsmann You’ve seen a lot of musical trends locally and nationally. Yeah, You’ve seen things come and go. You’ve seen things come into fashion and fall out of fashion, whether that be production technique or vocal styles or just style in general, right? Is there a musical trend that you wish that you would see more of now?
Laurie Gallardo That is a damn good question, and I have to answer it this way.
Kevin Naquin It took them ten minutes to get it.
Laurie Gallardo Just that and.
Kevin Naquin That thought about it for.
Laurie Gallardo Long. I think it’s.
Kevin Naquin Very.
Laurie Gallardo Good.
Jonathan Hortsmann And I’m in zone and out the whole time.
Laurie Gallardo You all just carry on. First of all, again, that that is an excellent question, but let me explain how I think and how I perceive. I’ve never really been a trend individual. Instead, I just get attached to certain things. Whatever is sweeping the country or the world. I may be aware of a few things, but that’s not how I think. I’m not ignoring anything purposefully. Instead, I just see what draws me in and I go across the board. I identify as goth, but to be so narrow minded as to stick to one kind of music would not allow me to do this wonderful job. And I’m very pleased and proud to say I am addicted to so many different kinds of.
Paxel Foley Music saying.
Laurie Gallardo Although. People who know what I love and what I’m drawn to, they tell me, Do you think Goth is experiencing a resurgence? And I don’t. Excuse me. I don’t know if it’s a resurgence. To me, that’s never went away. Right.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, That’s what I always have. It’s always been.
Laurie Gallardo There.
Jonathan Hortsmann I think. I think it’s like. It’s sort of like. Well, apparently it is because people be asking these questions. Sure, I wouldn’t be asking these questions. Tick tock.
Paxel Foley I just don’t know. They’re in their own world. They probably don’t even, like, see, like, you know what I mean? Like how we would see it, you know? So then they’re like, you know, all those kids over there dressed in black?
Jonathan Hortsmann Well, there’s also. Yeah, I mean, I think that goth fashion and goth music, although they do, there is a Venn diagram where absolutely they exist as far as social media is concerned. I think they actually exist in two very different places because you have like dance influencers and things that we use goth fashion without necessarily goth music in order to get views on their pages. And then you’ve got things like the Crow remake, which is using Goth esthetic, but without necessarily goth music, which is and that’s part of the reason that most fans of the original Crow movie are not about it.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Paxel Foley There’s a new.
Kevin Naquin Crow, But the original Crow wasn’t. Wasn’t. There was no bail house and nothing in all.
Jonathan Hortsmann You know, there was this there.
Kevin Naquin Was Original Crow soundtrack. I remember there was nothing said there was a cure. But I remember it also being a lot of like nu metal stuff, like, well.
Laurie Gallardo Nine Inch Nails.
Kevin Naquin I mean, yeah, Nine Inch Nails. Yeah, that’s legit. But.
Laurie Gallardo But, but it was though. It was so very I mean they I don’t know if that was done intentionally, but it is a very goth soundtrack.
Paxel Foley Yeah.
Kevin Naquin It really is. Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo We just listening.
Paxel Foley In a while.
Laurie Gallardo Recently?
Paxel Foley Yeah, we should. We should we? Maybe I have.
Kevin Naquin Yeah, maybe. I’m thinking in judgment night. No.
Laurie Gallardo My.
Kevin Naquin Date. Myself.
Laurie Gallardo No, that’s all right. I’m totally dating myself across the 90s.
Kevin Naquin Like, see, seeing, like, the grunge bands. It like. Like, a lot of people are, like, grunge or whatever it is, like. Yeah, but it’s 70s rock kind of influence, you know, Like Kurt Cobain always said, you know, Beatles and Pixies was what he was trying to, you know. You know what I mean? Or like anyways, like you can see like where the music really isn’t changing. It’s more the people around the music that change, you know, maybe a younger generation gets hip to something. Yeah. So, yeah, I don’t know about a resurgence.
Paxel Foley That’s always been there. I mean, I remember watching like, Frasier and then his son just came and he hadn’t seen a son in a long time. Came to the door. He was out. Got out because he was dating the girl. That was.
Kevin Naquin Yeah.
Laurie Gallardo I forgot about that. Thing is.
Kevin Naquin I was.
Laurie Gallardo So hooked on Frasier, too. I mean, I love Frasier.
Paxel Foley I used to watch the pilot for four years, just like, you know, at night, and you got to go to sleep, and it’s just like, whatever it is.
Laurie Gallardo Put it on.
Paxel Foley Yeah.
Jonathan Hortsmann We say all this is like fans of the Goth John and not necessarily as a band that like claims to be goth. You know, we’re not just a band.
Laurie Gallardo Yeah. What is life? I do get to talk to brilliant people. Thanks again to Jonathan, Kevin and Paxil from Urban Heat for speaking with me on the premiere episode of my new podcast. Your vampire sunscreen host and creator is me. Yours truly, Laurie Gallardo. Editing and Mixing by Jack Anderson. Original Music Composed by Rene Chavez, Graphic Design by Dave McClinton. And many thanks to our fearless podcast leader Elizabeth McQueen for all her help. You know, I’ve been working on this podcast idea for a long time, and there are countless people to thank who have supported my project since the very beginning. I’m pulling that list together for my own website coming soon. SPF 1000 Vampire Sunscreen is a listener supported production of cute and cute studios in Austin, Texas. And if you like what you’re hearing, you can support our work by becoming a sustaining member at Support this podcast dot. Thanks again for listening and thanks so much for your support. Here’s something I always keep in mind. We search for the light, but behold the darkness. Until next time.
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