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LGBTQIA+ members of Austin’s music scene talk about how proposed bans on drag performances, and laws outlawing gender-affirming care for minors are impacting their work and their lives.
You’ll hear from co-owner of Cheer Up Charlies Maggie Lea. Plus you’ll hear from Austin musicians Caleb de Casper, Lizzy Lehman, Pelvis Wrestley’s Jammy Violet, and writer/musician Jack Kaulfus.
The full transcript of this episode of Pause/Play is available on the KUT & KUTX Studio website. The transcript is also available as subtitles or captions on some podcast apps.
Elizabeth McQueen I’m Elizabeth McQueen.
Miles Bloxson And I’m Myles Bloxson. And you’re listening to Pause play. A podcast about live music, why it matters and what comes next.
Elizabeth McQueen This season, we’re exploring some changes that are impacting Austin’s live music scene.
Miles Bloxson In the last episode, we looked at how the Texas abortion ban was affecting women working in the Austin music ecosystem.
Elizabeth McQueen And in this episode, we’re taking a look at how proposed bans on drag performances and laws outlawing gender affirming care for minors are impacting LGBTQIa plus members of our music community.
Miles Bloxson In the last legislative session, two bills were signed into law. One was SB 12, aka the drag ban.
Elizabeth McQueen We asked our friend Sergio, who’s a national correspondent for NPR and who you heard in the last episode to help us understand SB 12.
Sergio Martínez-Beltrán This bill in particular would ban drag shows that are explicit in front of minors. What explicit means? I think that’s part of the question. Right. And one of the things that critics have said is going against their First Amendment rights, because what we’ve heard is that, you know, initially Republicans were pushing almost to ban all drag shows in front of minors. But then they had to make this classification of, you know, if it’s too sexual in nature, if there’s, fake breasts or this exaggeration of body parts to sexualized a character, then in that case, that cannot happen in front of minors, which means that drag queens or drag kings would not be able to perform at a parade, or would not be able to perform at a birthday where there might be kids. Right? Because of of this law.
Elizabeth McQueen Even though SB 12 was signed into law, it was blocked by a federal judge for being unconstitutional. So the drag ban is not in effect in Texas.
Miles Bloxson But a lot of musicians and performers, especially those who identify as queer, were involved in the movement to stop the passage of SB 12.
Elizabeth McQueen In that same legislative session, the Texas Legislature also passed a ban on gender affirming care for minors.
Miles Bloxson We ask Sergio to walk us through the bill and what gender affirming care really means.
Sergio Martínez-Beltrán Yeah, so for each state that is different and that looks different. In Texas in particular, we’re talking about a prohibition on gender affirming care, which means hormone therapy or puberty blockers or surgery like top surgery to remove breasts on transgender men if you are under 18 years old. So that means that if you are a minor, you cannot access this type of therapy.
Elizabeth McQueen In his reporting, Sergio talked to both trans people who oppose the bill and Republicans who supported it.
Sergio Martínez-Beltrán I’ve talked to many folks who have said that as adults now, they transition when they were younger, and they’ve said that having access to these medical treatments were life saving for them because they were clear that they wanted to transition. But Republicans in the legislature, who have been the ones pushing for for this type of legislation, they’ve said that, you know, kids don’t fully know what they want to do with their lives, that their brains take longer to develop, and that, doing this type of therapy on them earlier, it’s equivalent to abuse. That’s what they’ve said. And so they’ve said that they really don’t want kids to have access to these. Yet.
Miles Bloxson We wanted to know how SB 12 and SB 14 have been affecting members of our LGBTQIa plus community.
Elizabeth McQueen One person we spoke to was Maggie. Yeah.
Maggie Lea My name is Maggie Lea. I, co-own chair of Charlie’s, music venue, bar, LGBTQ space downtown and, program stuff there, and just general community organizer, I guess.
Elizabeth McQueen We’ve talked to Maggie a lot in this podcast, especially during the pandemic. You should go back and listen to those episodes if you want to know what things were like for Austin venue owners during the most intense Covid times, Chair.
Miles Bloxson Of Charlie’s has always put on a mix of live shows, drag shows and dance parties, and Maggie saw the signs that the legislature might be trying to restrict drag pretty early on.
Maggie Lea I got word of it right when I think Equality Texas. I made a post about it so pretty early because they did come out with it really, really ahead of other folks. And then, my dog sitter works at the at the legislature. It was kind of like I had heard the rumblings about all these different, anti LGBTQ bills that were that were about to be released. And, I think, like, you know, because I caught wind of it, I, I remember I made a post about it on cheer. I was kind of just telling the community, like, hey, we need to gather and, get together. And this is possibly going to be a bigger fight than we think.
Elizabeth McQueen Maggie and her partner Tamara, who also owns Cheer Up Charlie’s, did spend some time at the legislature. They actually signed up to testify against the drag ban, but were never called to speak. But mostly they support. The seen through holding drag shows.
Maggie Lea So one of my really good friends is as Brigitte Bandit
Miles Bloxson Brigitte Bandit is a drag queen who in some ways became the face of the fight against the drag ban.
Maggie Lea She’s like both probably talked to her throughout the whole day. We’re like really great friends. And I, to be frank, like, it would be funny if she heard this, but I honestly was sort of afraid to, decrease any of our drag programing. She would have just had a fit and yell at all of us. Part of protesting, I think, for all of us, was to, just go on about business as we normally would. And we were kind of in a period where we were having more drag shows as it was. And actually the drag shows were bringing in more people, because people coming to drag shows was kind of their way of, of, you know, participating in the activism. So the drag shows were actually packed out. They were more packed out than our dance parties, way more packed out than when we were just booking, like some live music for whatever reason. You know, drag was the thing. Last summer, everybody wanted to book a drag show. It was like a lot of non queer owned spaces were booking drag shows, hotel lobbies. I mean, every place was a drag show. It felt like last summer, like pool parties. So yeah, I mean we kind of increased our shows. It was it was like a few like maybe 3 or 4 fold. It was a protest. It was a fight against what was going on in the legislature. But he was kind of. Sometimes I think the the best way to stand up to something is just to be like, well, I’m actually having a great time doing it. I’m not going to think about what might happen if you guys decide this is illegal for whatever reason. And I really did think it would be pretty hard for them to decide that being yourself was illegal.
Elizabeth McQueen But Maggie told us it wasn’t all fun.
Maggie Lea You know, one dark sort of shadow side of last year was that while we were putting on all these drag shows and having a lot of fun doing it, I could tell, you know, folks in our community were super burnt out. There was very just a looming sense of, not knowing if we would have our spaces that, you know, we consider spaces that we can be free to be ourselves. I saw a lot of, like, infighting, competition within our community, like, really high level kind of hateful things. I felt like within the community, folks were just burnt out. They were tired. I mean, there were there was a scarcity mindset that really did just really sink in. By the end of December. It was it was actually tough to put on drag shows, you know, as a venue producer. And I just know for a fact I talked to a lot of folks in our industry. It was oversaturated because there were so many, non queer owned spaces that were kind of replicating. I think they were replicating what we were all doing in support, but I didn’t I don’t know that they realized that they were actually just it became like a lot of performers were like physically, you know, the physical labor part of it was like full on burnout for them. And, the spaces that started these, like queer events and parties were just left empty.
Miles Bloxson By the end of 2023. Sheriff Charlie’s was in a tough place.
Maggie Lea Yeah, we almost we almost closed. I mean, we had to, like, re pivot. Right? Right before South. By this year, I spent sort of the winter months like, okay, we have drag shows but I’m spreading them out. I’m bringing back live music, I’m bringing back our dance parties and all kinds of other stuff like comedy events and stuff, just to sustain the business.
Elizabeth McQueen And Maggie told us it wasn’t just the legislation aimed at her community that made 2023 a hard year for cheer ups.
Miles Bloxson Chair ups is an outdoor venue, and like we talked about in our episode about climate change last summer with its record breaking heat, was tough on a lot of outdoor venues.
Maggie Lea It was terribly hard to, like, process all this that was going on in the legislature and try to have events at your space and be hit by pretty much just unending heat.
Miles Bloxson And there were other factors as well.
Maggie Lea I haven’t totally processed it. It was such a it’s such a difficult year for us, and we were struggling financially the entire time because it was also sort of the year that any venue, queer programing or not, was coming out of the pandemic like that, them three year mark or 2 or 3 year mark, where our folks were like, oh my gosh, it’s time to pay back my loans. It’s time to, you know, and now, like all the inflation was happening and now like, you know, everything I, all the money I thought I had in my bank account is actually going back towards, loan payments or so. A lot of places closed last year. I mean, this year as well. It was just already a financially difficult year. And to add layer of like, the community, the friendships, the politics, state of Texas politics, all of it. It was very hard.
Elizabeth McQueen We also wanted to know what this time was like for musicians like Caleb.
Caleb de Casper I’m Caleb de Casper. I am a local musician and I guess political activist. Now.
Miles Bloxson Caleb uses elements of glam rock in drag in his act. And when he first heard about the bill seeking to ban drag shows in Jinja affirming care, he didn’t really think it would go anywhere.
Elizabeth McQueen But then something changed.
Caleb de Casper I guess when I started to see other people in the community also. Like speaking on it and posting about it. I was like, maybe this is a little bit more serious than what I thought. Specifically, I saw, like, Maggie from Cheer UPS was starting to post about it. And so that’s a person who owns a business. So it’s like they’re not going to. Go on a ledge for something that’s not real, you know? Then I saw, my friend Brigitte. Bandit, who was. Really well known in the drag community and not really well known globally because of, you know, her part in all of this. And so those are people that I trusted their judgment. And I started to look into it more. And I was like, yeah, this actually might might happen.
Miles Bloxson Caleb started going to the legislature every day. He even testified about SB 12.
Caleb de Casper Welcome.
Sergio Martínez-Beltrán Introduce yourself and your testimony.
Caleb de Casper Hi there. It looks like I’m going to bring this thing home. I’m Caleb the Casper, and I’ve been a resident of Austin for seven years. I am opposed to both of the bills, SB 12 and the, reading to cats, drag queens, reading the kids bill. I’m a well-known and successful musician across Central Texas, and I wear both male and female clothing on and off stage. I hope that me talking to you today will show you that drag encompasses more than you think. First off, as a citizen, I’m deeply concerned with the amount of anti LGBTQ plus bills making their way through this legislative session when issues of homelessness and mental illness illegal, illegal our state and we seem to have a problem with keeping the lights on in the winter. It doesn’t feel appropriate to be concerned with drag queens at this time. As a small business owner, I have a concern that if this bill goes through the fact that I wear high heels and makeup on stage, just like Kiss or Motley Crew two would severely limit my options for doing business in the state. I wouldn’t be booked for festivals such as ACL, or I could be arrested if there are children in the audience at music festivals. And it reads to me like, South Bay happened a couple of weeks ago and I was booked at storefronts and I was booked at corporate events. If there were children there, I could have been arrested for making art because I wear high heels and lipstick when I perform with my band.
Elizabeth McQueen But Caleb told us that all this time at the Capitol, it really took a toll.
Caleb de Casper I, I guess the best way to describe it is after. This session. I took six months off from my life. So I had a lot of other stuff going on because I always have stuff going on, but that every single day was so much. And the things that I learned and the people that I met and the things that I heard were just outrageous. And so much to process day to day. And one thing that we were told by Equality Texas when we’re there is that like, you need to take time for yourself or you will burn out, which I did because. You don’t know if people there want to hurt you. You don’t know if there are mentally unwell people there. You’re. On a spotlight while you’re there, especially if you’re a person that people are listening to. And we did encounter people who are on these like pseudo news podcast like Infowars and whatnot. And I watch them instigate altercations with people so they could film it and say, look at what these horrible people did. So the whole time you’re there, you’re like burning through your adrenaline and you’re burning through all those chemicals in your body. So you go home at the end of the day and you are just totally wiped out.
Elizabeth McQueen And Caleb thinks there was an unintended consequence to these bills.
Caleb de Casper When you and ty things, you make them really cool. So right now, going to a drag show or supporting a queer band, it’s more than just watching music. You’re like showing people what you think and who you are. And they did that eventually.
Miles Bloxson Like we said, both the drag ban in the ban on gender affirming care pass the drag ban would go on to be ruled unconstitutional. And Caleb said the whole process will definitely make its way into his art.
Caleb de Casper My first album was like finding myself as an artist and as a queer person, and that translated well to like all people. And that was a very Salvatore. And, a celebratory, anthem Bass Lake album. Very positive. Self-Empowerment. But my next album. Is a little bit darker. Because this is what I’ve experienced now. So I’m trying to find ways to write about. Realistic things without pessimism, and it’s going to be different.
Unidentified Inside of my head. They made it to my snow party to see me all red.
Elizabeth McQueen Coming up after the break, we speak to more LGBTQIa plus artists about how proposed restrictions on drag shows and the ban on gender affirming care for minors have impacted their life and art.
Miles Bloxson Welcome back to Paul’s Play, a podcast about live music, why it matters and what comes next. Earlier, you heard from venue owner Maggie Lee and musician Caleb the Casper about how recent anti-LGBTQ laws have affected them.
Elizabeth McQueen We also spoke to Austin musicians Lizzy and Jamie.
Lizzy Lehman My name is Lizzy Lehman, and I’m a musician and artist here in Austin, Texas, and I’ve been here since 2011 and very excited to be here today.
Jammy Violet My name is Jammy Violet. My band is called Pelvis Wrestley and I’m also happy to be here today.
Miles Bloxson How long have you lived in Austin, Jamie?
Jammy Violet Well, I grew up in Austin, was raised in Oak Hill until I turned 18 and just couldn’t wait to get out of here. And then I went to Seattle for a while, and then I couldn’t wait to get out of there. So I came back in fall of 2016, and I’ve been here since then.
Elizabeth McQueen And Lizzy, you said you got here in 2011. Where did you come from?
Lizzy Lehman I was in Austin in 2009 and then went back to Portland, and then came back to Austin in 2011. But I’m originally from Evanston, Illinois, outside of Chicago.
Elizabeth McQueen So you guys have been in Austin for a while. You both have chosen to live in Austin, but things have changed, you know, recently, especially in this last year with the legislative session. How did you kind of feel when you saw that that was happening, like at the very beginning when you saw that the legislature was starting to float these anti gender affirming care and anti drag bills.
Lizzy Lehman Really discouraged and honestly afraid. Both of us spent a good amount of time at the Capitol this past year, protesting, you know, a few things that they have passed. And it was just it was a very scary time and really exhausting. And it has made living here feel more difficult and personally, for me and my spouse, feel like maybe it’s time to go.
Jammy Violet I found out about the earliest versions of the drag ban bill on Thanksgiving of 2022. I was about to go, have have Thanksgiving lunch with my with my family. A lot of my family is very conservative. A lot of my family isn’t. But it was just extremely disregulated to go and sit down and try to have a nice dinner. And then just like I begged you guys to pay attention to this stuff, and I know that you want me here, but now I got to go.
Miles Bloxson Lizzie told us that these laws affect how they feel about performing live, which is a huge part of being a musician in Austin.
Lizzy Lehman I am not playing out these days. I’m recording and releasing music and writing, but it feels it feels, scary to want to to get up and and perform and in a public space, even here in Austin. One thing that’s interesting is I feel like a lot of people are like, oh, Austin, you know, it’s really liberal and it’s it’s great there. But it’s become increasingly, increasingly more conservative. And we hear about more and more hate crimes happening. And it just feels there’s a general sense of unease for a lot of, my friends and for myself, for those who are in the LGBTQ community.
Elizabeth McQueen This feeling that you’re feeling, does it make its way into the actual art that you make?
Lizzy Lehman Oh, 100%. The album that I put out that Jamie was a part of, it’s called Technicolor Love. It’s really about queer visibility and saying, you know, we’ve always been here. We will always be here. This is a scary thing for us to to come out and say, but it has to be said, you know, at this point, I don’t think that I could write about anything else except for what is happening. And in my life and in the world I don’t want to live in. A monochrome world with only swirly boys and dainty girls rows and rows of identical. Only people who are not alone.
Unidentified I believe, I believe Technicolor love. I mean, I mean Technicolor.
Jammy Violet To Lizzie’s point about like performing live it, it becomes this never ending minefield. Because when you are a performer, you’re not only a performer, you’re a promoter. Being non-binary, queer, trans artists, visibility is danger. So our job is to actively put ourselves in more and more danger without fail. Whenever pelvis wrestling has a like a higher visibility moment, like even being artist. Not that cuts. It turns into spending days combing comment threads, removing the death threats. It becomes this very strange thing where it’s like, I really want my project to do well, and I really want people to hear this art that I care so much about, but also I don’t. And it’s really difficult to fully want to succeed when it comes at such a high cost and such a high risk.
Miles Bloxson And Jamie has a really good metaphor to describe how this feels.
Jammy Violet Okay, so I used to have this front yard, when I was out there one day, I saw this just very normal Texas chameleon. Do you know the anoles? And this, like, this little lizard was perched on a like, faded fencepost, and it was shining bright green at a circumstance where it should, for safety reasons, be brown. Gray. Right. And this was just like the most gorgeous, queerest little dangerous lizard. And I was just like. Hey, my little sister. It’s nice to see you. Visibility is danger.
Lizzy Lehman Absolutely. You sacrifice a lot to show and be who you really are.
Miles Bloxson There’s a lot of people who would hear what Jamie and Lizzie are saying and think, why don’t they just leave?
Elizabeth McQueen Yeah. I mean, people are leaving. We heard that in our last episode when we talked about the abortion ban. And, you know, staying can be complicated.
Lizzy Lehman It’s a combination of of the heat and feeling unsafe. You know, it’s two things that feel really hard to want to stay with them. You know, one of the most recent songs I’ve been working on is basically talking about, like, you know, these laws are telling me I don’t belong here. I shouldn’t feel safe here. I need to go. But then all of my closest friends are here, and so that’s what makes it so hard. It’s the attachments and the routes that we’ve all set down. It just makes it that much harder.
Jammy Violet Okay, I’ll get worked up about this for a minute. One of the like, clear goals of this kind of legislation is to purify the populations of certain states. It’s strategic to get us out of here. So Texas is like it’s a very purple state. It’s like one district readjustment away from turning blue. That’s one of my, like, more feet planted. Come and take it. If I have a motherland, this is it. I love this land so much. Like I love the hill country and like granite. It’s, you know, it’s live oaks and the country is. There’s nothing. There’s really nothing like it. I saw. To show I’m good to be alone. But you can.
Unidentified Hang. More said and done even when I. Until.
Jammy Violet To live comes. I’m gonna keep on running.
Elizabeth McQueen Maggie, Caleb, Jamie and Lizzy. They’re staying in Austin, but a lot of people in their community are choosing to leave the city, in part, at least because of the laws we’ve been talking about. Like Jack.
Jack Kaulfus My name is Jack Kaulfus I’ve lived in Austin for about 20 years. I’m a musician and a writer, and my band is called Brand New Quay, wear a queer Americana band, and we’ve been together, we’ve been playing for about ten years.
Elizabeth McQueen Jack told us how they felt when the legislature started putting these laws out there. They also heard about these laws from Equality Texas.
Jack Kaulfus I think that I was super upset. More upset than I thought that I would be. I think a lot of queer people, we just sort of live.
Jack Kaulfus Our lives.
Jack Kaulfus Thinking, you know, when’s the next shoe going to drop? You know, they gave us marriage, but but after that, like, we were, we kind of live prepared for retaliation in some way. Like, if we get something, if we win something, then there’s going to be some sort of retaliation. And so, I was extremely upset one, because I at the time was working at a high school here in Austin, and we just have a lot of trans youth at that school. They’re at every school. But at that school, they felt comfortable being out. They felt comfortable forming, clubs, doing activism, speaking about their truth, even, pursuing if they wanted to gender affirming care. And they were really supported in that atmosphere. And so it was really difficult to. To watch them become afraid because they grew up in a lot of them, grew up in Austin to thinking that we are this really beautiful.
Jack Kaulfus Progressive.
Jack Kaulfus Bubble. And if you just find your people, then you can be safe. But, but this rhetoric that was coming out of the legislature really scared them. We still did what we could. But, I mean, as a teacher and as a mentor there, I wasn’t able to explain it away, and I wasn’t able to protect them from everything they were hearing on the radio and on the TV and from their uncle at Thanksgiving, you know.
Miles Bloxson Jack told us they were initially pretty surprised by the drag ban, especially given how mainstream drag has become because of RuPaul’s Drag Race.
Jack Kaulfus And so that one was a big surprise. But the way that was worded, the way that it was originally worded, it would have come after trans people, two trans people who haven’t had every single surgery, you know, you know, and a lot of trans people don’t want all surgeries, you know. A lot of us don’t. So, so that was scary for me because all of a sudden, if I was performing on stage the way that I dress and just by existing in this body, all of a sudden I could be perceived as being like, sexually prurient. I could have been perceived as that. And so I just immediately like it just immediately started a waterfall of what that would mean for my band. Right. We’re all queer in some way, but I’m the only trans person, you know, in the band.
Elizabeth McQueen So could you tell us a little bit about, like, where that waterfall went?
Jack Kaulfus Yeah. So. Bars already are having a hard time, especially smaller bars, and the ones that are independently owned have a hard time. Just like staying open. A lot of the time, it’s difficult to, attract enough people enough nights of the week in order to stay solvent. And so what I was thinking was that. If they book us and we’re just an out queer band, right. And and I’m trans and non-binary and I’m really open about that and out, which is really important to me, which was really important to the rest of the band to where all out. If there was any possibility of somebody just calling and being like, you know what? I think you’ve, I think you’ve booked one of those sexually provocative bands and sexually provocative people because this is a trans person and we know all trans people are drag artists or whatever. I just believe that, like any disruption, either someone calls the cops or just complains or gets people not to go. I could just see bars, just not willing to risk it anymore. I might as well book someone who is not queer and out and.
Jack Kaulfus Avoid that altogether.
Jack Kaulfus So I could just see bars. Kind of not not the super queer bars. Of course not. Not Cheer Up Charlies or any of those great supportive places, but just, you know, the band, the, the bars that pay, you know, and especially in the country music arena, like, you know, we want to play at country bars.
Miles Bloxson Jack decided about a year ago that they wanted to leave Texas, and they told us it wasn’t just the laws we’ve been talking about that are prompting their move. It’s the abortion ban and the governor’s militarization of the border.
Elizabeth McQueen They also talked about climate change, which as we heard about in a previous episode, a lot of people in Austin are concerned about.
Miles Bloxson And affordability also plays a role in their exit from Texas after the pandemic hit and rent got really high. They had to move because they couldn’t afford the neighborhood they’ve been living in for 15 years.
Elizabeth McQueen Jack decided to move to Albuquerque, New Mexico. New Mexico is a state that has laws that are like mirror images of the laws that we have here in Texas.
Miles Bloxson For instance, there’s House Bill seven. They got signed into law and prohibits any public governments are agencies from restricting reproductive or gender affirming health care.
Elizabeth McQueen But there’s something else that’s pulling Jack to Albuquerque.
Jack Kaulfus Okay, this is just maybe an old person thing, but I will say it just reminds me so much of Austin in the 90s. There’s there’s weird stuff going on everywhere, and it’s. And no, it’s maybe not even being advertised, you know. You know, you walk around the corner and there’s, a weird little festival that, wasn’t on Instagram, wasn’t anywhere. You know, maybe some Redditors put it up there or something, but, and there’s still a lot of, independent art there, and there’s still a lot of independent stores there. So it kind of feels like walking back in time, which at this point in my life, I think I feel like I do need to slow down a little bit. And it’s really beautiful there. The people are have been super welcoming. And the queer community and in the community at large, every place has its problems. I’m not saying it’s perfect. It’s not a perfect place.
Jack Kaulfus I’m sure I will.
Jack Kaulfus Run into lots of problems as soon as I get involved in the community, but, I’m excited to learn more about that. It’s just the end of the story, not the end of life. Not the barrel of a shotgun or the wrong end of a knife. Talking like I leave the valley. Like I got some secret rope training on my messed up memories. One way to get out.
Unidentified Because I’m a star. I’m not.
Jack Kaulfus I’m not.
Miles Bloxson You, Jack. We wish you all the best on your next adventure. Now that, when we interview people, we always ask if there’s anything they want to say that we didn’t ask them about. And we wanted to share what Caleb said to us.
Caleb de Casper I just feel like talking about a lot of these things can be very negative. And I feel like there’s like this dark cloud over them. But that’s not the point. Like, the point is like going through life. I mean, people in the Middle Ages used to get stabbed walking down the road, just like there’s always been things that you have to experience in life. This is our thing to experience. So don’t get caught up in there. The negativity of it. Try to figure out what you can do to help. Reach out to your community. And whatever that is for you. Realize. Then everything is for entertainment value at this point in time. And take it. Take it for what it is.
Miles Bloxson And how can people that maybe like never thought about supporting the LGBTQi community? How can they step in and play a role or play their part?
Caleb de Casper Hmhm. I’m trying to think of like. I shouldn’t have to think about that that much. But I want like, the real answer, not the like, performative answer. Right. Like. Just I showing up. I’d say yeah, that’s a big thing. Like. Show up and support people trying to do things in your community. Show up and cheer on a queer musician or a drag queen and be there and and watch and make sure there’s no crazy person in the audience, you know, because that’s what you can do.
Unidentified Brother. Love a lovely, lovely.
Miles Bloxson In the next episode of Pause Play, we’ll be talking about changes in ticketing and how that’s impacting Austin’s live music scene.
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