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According to the Austin Music Census, 38% of the people who took the survey struggled to find affordable housing.
We take a look at the Metropolis Apartments, a complex that has been providing affordable housing for musicians and creatives for over 20 years.
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Elizabeth McQueen: [00:00:00] I’m Elizabeth McQueen
Miles Bloxson: and I’m Miles Bloxson. And this is Pause play the podcast about live music, why it matters and what comes next.
Elizabeth McQueen: This season we’re looking at the future of Austin Music. We’ve talked to musicians about whether artists really need social media and heard from people who wanna build alternatives to streaming services.
Miles Bloxson: Musicians told us about how they’re using ai and in the last episode we talked about what Austin’s live music fund will look like moving forward.
Elizabeth McQueen: And in this episode, we are going to talk about the future of housing for musicians by looking at a place that’s been housing musicians and creatives for a long time.
The Metropolis Apartments,
Miles Bloxson: Elizabeth, that’s actually talking about the past, not the future.
Elizabeth McQueen: Okay. I know it’s kind of a stretch, but you know, I was thinking that maybe there’s something people can learn for the future of housing musicians in Austin from what we talk about today.
Miles Bloxson: Okay. Like, I’ll just go with it this time.
I mean, housing is a big deal for [00:01:00] musicians and we’ve talked about it a lot on this podcast.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah, I mean that’s because during the pandemic housing and rental prices shot up, I mean, everywhere. And especially in Austin,
Miles Bloxson: They’ve actually been going down recently, but they’re still high, according to me. And according to apartments.com, the average rent for a one bedroom apartment in Austin is around $1,400.
And a two bedroom will run you around 1800 or so.
Elizabeth McQueen: And according to redfin.com, the median sale price for a home in Austin is around $550,000. I’m rolling my eyes over here because that is half a million dollars, Elizabeth.
Miles Bloxson: Oh my gosh. It is.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah.
Miles Bloxson: And as we’ve talked about in previous episodes, pay for Musicians is stagnant and it has been for decades.
Elizabeth McQueen: Musicians don’t make much money, and that means housing is an issue. According to the 2022 Greater Austin Music Census, 38% of the people who took the survey struggled to find affordable [00:02:00] housing.
Miles Bloxson: But what if we told you? There’s a place in Austin that has been providing affordable housing for musicians for over 20 years.
Elizabeth McQueen: Well, there is. It’s called Metropolis Apartments.
Miles Bloxson: Now, let me tell you something. The Metropolis Apartments are a sponsor of Paul’s play, but we started this story way before they became sponsors.
Elizabeth McQueen: Oh, yeah. We had this whole other story planned where we were looking at alternative places for bands to play besides bars.
Miles Bloxson: Then their publicist, who has been on the show before, her name is Adrian Lake, she reached out to us and told us that she was working with this apartment complex that had shows by the pool on a regular basis, and we love a pool in the Texas Heat.
She thought it might be a good idea for our story about alternate places to play, and we were intrigued because we both knew about this apartment complex.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah. I mean, it’s located just south of Riverside on the east side, and the building is really colorful.
There’s like a car [00:03:00] over the archway, and I have been driving past this place for as long as I can remember and admiring all those colors. I had a friend who lived there back in the day. I think I went there like once, but neither of us knew they had shows
Miles Bloxson: there. The first thing we did was turn to Google and it turns out the Metropolis has a long and interesting history in this city.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah, there are some Reddit threads that make it sound like a wild place.
It turns out there have been shows and parties there for years, and it seems like back in the day it was definitely a hub of sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Miles Bloxson: Yeah, it sounded wild, Elizabeth. And we were intrigued for another reason though.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah. Adrian told us that this place not only had shows, but also gave a discount to people who were members of the Health Alliance for Austin Musicians.
That’s an organization in Austin that helps musicians access health insurance and other health related services.
Miles Bloxson: They are also known as Ham. So we knew we had to check it out. And when we got there [00:04:00] we were surprised.
Elizabeth McQueen: Miles, first of all, it was huge.
Miles Bloxson: It was, it was like what This thing has been here this whole time.
And when I got there I remembered like, oh yeah, I passed by this. But when you pass by, it doesn’t look that big until you actually get in and it keeps on going and going and going.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah.
Miles Bloxson: And it was pretty and colorful.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah, it I, the colors I had seen, but the sheer scale of it, I was very surprised by. And it gave like this old Austin vibes, like there were like murals everywhere and it was like very artistic but also like pretty funky, you know?
And I was also surprised when I got there, ’cause it was one in the afternoon and I could hear someone practicing drums, which I think I had read that practicing was allowed like. In your apartment, but to hear someone actually practicing drums at 1:00 PM in an apartment building that had like all those apartments, it was kind of wild.
Miles Bloxson: Yeah. And I actually got lost when we [00:05:00] first got there, but we ended up finding each other. So we met by the pool, we walked inside the building and it almost looked like a clubhouse. And there was a sign above the door that said, club met, and the building is where the main office is. And we went inside and it smelled like popcorn because there was an old school popcorn machine in there.
And that’s where we met Tiffany, Lindsay and Jason,
Tiffany Theiss: tiffani Theiss I am currently the events manager here at the Metropolis Apartments in Austin, Texas.
Also, uh, part of the Acoustic Duo Justice.
Lindsey Randal: My name is Lindsay Randall and I am the property manager here at Metropolis
Jason Signs: my name is Jason Signs, um, help out with the event coordinating and I the nighttime concierge.
Elizabeth McQueen: They took us to this open room above where the office is and started to tell us about the metropolis. Turns out that the Metropolis is owned by a nonprofit that provides affordable housing.
And I asked Lindsay what affordable [00:06:00] housing actually means.
Lindsey Randal: A portion of our residents have to fall under a certain median household income in order to qualify to live here.
So 20% have to fall under 50% of the median household income.
And then, 50% have to fall under 80% of the median household income.
Miles Bloxson: According to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development in 2025, the median household income in Austin was 133,000 in $800 just in case.
You were wondering,
Elizabeth McQueen: and providing affordable housing means that Metropolis can keep rents lower than average. So a one bedroom at Metropolis rents for a little over $900,
Miles Bloxson: And like we mentioned earlier, according to apartments.com, the average rent for a one bedroom apartment in Austin is around $1,400.
Elizabeth McQueen: Though if you look at the apartments in the surrounding area, the rental prices at Metropolis are pretty
Miles Bloxson: similar.
But like you found out when you drove up, Elizabeth [00:07:00] Metropolis allows residents to do things that you might not be allowed to do at those other apartment complexes.
Elizabeth McQueen: One of the things that I really have not heard of before is that, um. People can use their apartments as practice spaces. Can you tell people a little bit about that?
Tiffany Theis: That is correct. Yeah. Part of living up to our motto, live here, play here. We encourage, residents that are musicians, or they have bands, to rehearse in their apartments. We have quiet hours, , to respect the rest of the community, but we do have, uh, hours that we notify anyone that moves in here.
Musicians are allowed to rehearse inside their apartments anytime between noon and 10:00 PM. And so at any given moment, within those hours, you may hear, uh, drums as you did coming in today, or a singer songwriter or working on something or a saxophone in the air.
Miles Bloxson: She even said that some full bands move into the five bedroom apartments.
Tiffany Theis: Then that is also their [00:08:00] rehearsal space.
Miles Bloxson: So not only can they practice in their actual, apartment, but their spaces around, like right now we’re sitting in the playroom, you know, essentially. Right, yeah. They can practice here as well. Right?
Tiffany Theis: They can practice any, I mean, you will see, , an eclectic mix of residents that, , have done all sorts of from filming, uh, videos or doing an interview or, uh, taking photo shoots.
To Yes. Having their guitar out and, and strumming or,
Jason Signs: we have an improv group that practices here on Thursdays a lot, and that’s a lot of fun because I sit down downstairs at night and just listen to ’em and it’s, it’s great.
Elizabeth McQueen: Like a comedy improv group?
Jason Signs: Uh, yes. Yes. Oh, whoa. Okay. So I’m trying to get them to perform here, but they’re too busy performing everywhere else because the main person lives here.
He kind of just wants to. Just practice here, enjoy it, you know, while, you know, having fun with it and then go elsewhere to perform. But we’re working on it. But yes, they still do it.
Miles Bloxson: Is there a schedule for people, like say somebody wants to practice in the room that we’re in right now, do they have to like sign [00:09:00] in to say, Hey, I wanna, I wanna practice from nine to 12?
Or is it just kind of like first come, first serve for spaces that you guys have around the apartment complex?
Lindsey Randal: I will say during our office hours, you know, we are running an apartment complex as well, so, um. I am not sure during business hours we would need, want a, a full band practicing up here. But as Jason mentioned, he’s here in the evenings until 10:00 PM So, um, when outside of office hours, the space is available.
Miles Bloxson: And like we said before, they have shows at this complex.
Elizabeth McQueen: This is Jane Leo playing earlier this year on the pool stage and Miles. This is like a for real stage setup. It’s like 200 square feet. They have lights and a sound system. They even have sound guys.
Tiffany Theis: Any resident that also does sound engineering.
We employ their services, and offer them rent concessions to work the sound for our full on stage production. So it is a legit [00:10:00] show. It would be as good as you could get in any venue in town, I would like to think.
Elizabeth McQueen: And how do you guys book the bands?
Tiffany Theis: Oh, it’s, uh, any sort of way that you can think of Actually, we’re an events team, so I either we’re, we usually don’t have to seek out too many bands.
They usually look for us or come to us with, uh, I wanna do a show there. I’ve heard about this place. We have a lot of residents here that are musicians, so they oftentimes come. They want to put together a show with their band or friends’ bands or, you know, uh, and between Jason and I, we work together on a, a calendar lineup and try to mix up the genres.
Anything from, I mean, punk rock and, and metal shows. We have, uh, healthy, . Singer songwriter community. We’re working on a full on hip hop rap show. We have a [00:11:00] few DJs in the house that, uh, want to spotlight that. Uh, we try to be diverse and eclectic in our mix of music and open to all, you know, we, we like to try anything really.
Uh, it’s a free space.
Miles Bloxson: And you said you have shows like twice a month.
Tiffany Theis: We roughly try to work out the schedule so that it’s about two main stage shows a month. In the summertime there could be maybe more, um, but we try to mix it in with, other varying activities, uh, for the residents that aren’t always music based.
While we’re heavy handed in the music department, we also like to support all artistic endeavors. Painters and, uh, , improv groups. And, uh, we’ve even had a resume class. We have our, oh, bimonthly karaoke nights. We have bimonthly bingo nights. Bingo nights. You can win money off your rent.
We’ve had arts and crafts nights. We have an annual Halloween party that, as you [00:12:00] can guess, Halloween’s pretty big here. Pretty big. So it goes all out this year. It was all out actually. We had a resident that works, uh, a full-time job as a lighting technician, uh, for big main stage shows and wanted to,
Jason Signs: he’s a big fan of holidays and has wanted to throw parties here for a while in the clubhouse.
Elizabeth McQueen: So they have a lot of parties and I feel like we need to take a moment here and talk a little bit about the history of the metropolis, especially when it comes to partying.
Miles Bloxson: And we’ll do that right after the break. But before we go, we want to remind you that Pause/Play is made at KUT and KUTX studios in Austin, Texas.
And we’re part of KUT a public media station. And we, like other public media stations, lost all federal funding this year.
Elizabeth McQueen: That means that we get a hundred percent of our funding from our community and listeners like you. So if you like this podcast and you wanna support the work we do, then please make a [00:13:00] donation@supportthispodcast.org.
Miles Bloxson: It really helps and we would really appreciate it.
Elizabeth McQueen: Welcome back to Pause, play the podcast about live music, why it matters and what comes next. In this episode, we’re talking about a place that’s been providing affordable housing to Austin musicians for over 20 years. The Metropolis Apartments.
Miles Bloxson: Yeah. And we found out that the Metropolis has a colorful pass.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah, there are some pretty interesting Reddit threads about what that complex was like back in the day. I mean, it was filled with musicians and creatives, and according to people on Reddit, there were a lot of, shall we say, uh. Music related activities there.
Miles Bloxson: I like how you said that, and it’s hard to confirm stories by anonymous people on the internet, but Jason did confirm some of that wild history.
Jason Signs: Well at the time I was younger, the partying and then the, like, the live music and it was just, you know, free. So. Then once we visited this place, we saw how, [00:14:00] how different it was, the community, everybody was getting along.
It was great. Um, it was a lot more freer then too. But, you know, things have changed, but it’s still an iconic place.
Elizabeth McQueen: I mean, metropolis parties are like legendary. Yes. In Austin. Oh yeah. I just
Jason Signs: wish we had the, you know, the, the cell phones, they recorded everything, you know, back then. ’cause I dunno if you
Miles Bloxson: want or do you?
Well, some, some are
great,
Jason Signs: some are crazy, you know. But definitely never boring.
Miles Bloxson: And some famous musicians used to stop by Metropolis too.
Elizabeth McQueen: Like Bushwick Bill from Geto Boys.
Jason Signs: Bushwick Bill, may he rest in peace. Used to hang out here a lot, especially a lot of the DJs that are here still. Uh, but that was a good time ’cause you know, a lot of folks that were big fans of his would come in and just like, oh my God, there he is. And he was just a really cool guy.
But yeah, he hung out with a lot of the, the DJs that are still here.
Miles Bloxson: And one of the DJs he used to hang with was DJ Berlin. He still lives at Metropolis and he just happened to pop into [00:15:00] the room that we were in and he told us a story about Bushwick bill in a time. They played a show by the pool,
DJ Berlin: Yeah, he used to come down and kick in and make music with me and stuff, but, so he was out there, man.
We did a little show out there and stuff, and you know, Bushwick is a little shorter on the, on the stature side or whatever, but the, our pool is only like four foot deep. Right. So, you know, here’s Bill like. On his toes, like going across the pool with his head barely poking outta the, outta the water. He is like, man, I love this pool, man.
I could do whatever I want in here
Anyway. Oh shit. That was a memorable, memorable day right there,
man. He was, uh, yeah
Elizabeth McQueen: Jason said a member of Pantera showed up to Metropolis.
Jason Signs: Phil Anselmo from Pantera, they’d be walking around the metropolis and he had several different punk rock artists that were in town. Uh, when fun, fun, fun fest was around. Um, I worked security there too. And so I got him backstage and he was able to talk with all [00:16:00] the, you know, with all the musicians and invite him back to Metropolis after hours, you know, so it was pretty cool.
Those are some good times.
Elizabeth McQueen: It turns out having a stage has a, if you build it, they will play effect.
Jason Signs: Bands from all over would just come and, and perform Here, you know, this, there’s a stage, Hey, you know, set it up. There was no, it was no, there was no, um, rules back then.
In a way. It was kind of, kind of crazy. Um,
Elizabeth McQueen: are there more rules now?
Oh,
Jason Signs: of course. There has to be. When they hired me, I had to stop. Well, the pool was 24 hours. So, um, the owner decided, Hey, we wanna stop that. So, uh, myself and my husband were chosen to be the ones to kick everybody out at midnight and that was not easy.
That was, ’cause everybody just knows this place has just come party over here. So, but um, it’s gotten a lot better since it was, it was fun and then too, ’cause it was never dull. It’s always something crazy. But yeah, now it’s a little more control, but it’s still [00:17:00] Austin.
Elizabeth McQueen: Things may be somewhat calmer at Metropolis, but Lindsay and Tiffany told us there’s still lots of creative people who live there.
Miles Bloxson: How many of your residents are actually creatives or musicians versus just like everyday people?
If you had to guess. Exactly. Just like I bought an estimate. I mean, you know.
Speaker 24: Yeah. I can’t say that’s a statistic. Track. Um, but I would say a good estimate, I would imagine definitely over 50%,
Miles Bloxson: That’s a lot.
Tiffany Theiss: Yeah. We are currently, you know, a lot of these residents, including myself, including Jason, were long timers, been here for forever before there was, uh, these tracking services and, and things of that sort.
So right now we are currently working on a way to. To find those numbers out ’cause we’re curious as well.
Miles Bloxson: Though they told us not as many people lived there as they did before.
COVID.
Tiffany Theis: I mean, we had waiting lists of people wanting to live here and then suddenly. We didn’t, because, [00:18:00] you know, everybody was locked down. They couldn’t just drive up and come in and see the colors for themselves, to smell the popcorn in the air to go see a live show by the pool. To go to the pool period. I mean, um, when we lost that, we lost a, a big sense of ourself, um, and.
I guess we’re trying to get that back.
we are so old school here, we didn’t make the, uh, jump onto socials that we probably should have. Mm-hmm. And then somehow we fell out of the, uh, consciousness of the Austin community and out of the everyday conversations that, you know, fast forward to 2025 and.
People don’t know about us and they should, uh, because we are one of the only things that hasn’t changed in Austin. We are old school Austin. If you wanna know what Austin used to be or was about or that true, that true spirit that keep Austin weird, [00:19:00] that’s us.
Miles Bloxson: Tiffany and Lindsay told us they’re actively trying to get people back into the Metropolis. They hired a publicist and they’re getting more serious about social media.
Elizabeth McQueen: They’re also giving musicians who are members of Ham. The Health Alliance for Austin musicians a discount,
Miles Bloxson: and we wanted to know how did an apartment complex even get connected to HAAM
Tiffany Theis: We have been long time supporters and advocates of Ham and all that they do. Myself, we have been ham, ham members since, probably almost, uh, a couple years into living in Austin. We became ham members and, we brought it up to the owner’s attention.
, He’s always looking for, uh. Great endeavors of that source to, uh, get involved with. And it, it, it simply started with, Hey, they have a annual ham benefit day. I think we should be a part of it. Well, what do you think? And he of course said, uh, okay, that sounds like [00:20:00] something we should be a part of seeing is how we, uh, cater to musicians living here.
Our motto is, live here, play here. So our relationship with ham, , and the metropolis, it began then and it grew from there. Uh, where Brant then decided, or. Our owner then decided that he would like to contribute, uh, uh, on top of whatever funds we would raise during Ham Benefit Day. Uh, and he would give a separate donation.
And then that donation grew over the years. So did our involvement with Ham, and eventually, uh, it became, well, why don’t we offer a special discount for. Ham members seen as how we cater to musicians living here. Uh, we have a lot of residents that were already ham members. Uh, this was only to entice other ham members to then move here and be a part of our, uh, music.
Community. And so last [00:21:00] year was when the official discount went into place and, and any current ham members, , can inquire with Ham about that special discount. And then we have, uh, since been, uh. Uh, applying that discount to our current ham members when they come up for renewal, and that’s been fun.
They’re very excited about that as well.
Miles Bloxson: So their affordable housing, offering an even more affordable price to ham members. I had to ask.
How do you guys continue to stay affordable? Like what, what helps you guys do that?
Tiffany Theiss: The owner?
Lindsey Randal: Yeah. I mean, ultimately, yes, it is the owner’s decision because it, if his priority was. Making as much as he could off the place, the rents would probably look a lot different. That is not his priority. So, um, he, he wants to do the right thing in ensuring that there is still an affordable place for creative people to call [00:22:00] home.
Tiffany Theis: I think the key word has always been community. And that’s really what, uh, the owner drives home with every decision that is made about the metropolis, it’s about building a true community that, uh, is, is filled with art and, and, um, compassion and coming together and, um, yeah, it’s, it’s community at, at the end of the day.
And that’s what keeps people here. You know, they. Build a true home and, uh, they find their people and we like to, uh, always be true to that at the end of the day. And so, yeah, it’s not about let’s make money, it’s about let’s build a community.
Elizabeth McQueen: They talked about the owner and we wanted to know more about Metropolis, so we called Brant
Brant Baber: my name is Brant Baber. It’s actually John Brantley Baber. Uh, I live in the town [00:23:00] of Clifton, Virginia. When I’m not traveling, I am a recovering attorney, uh, who spent. 35 years doing, uh, finance work of various sorts, real estate deals mostly. And I am president of various nonprofits that are 5 0 1 C3 exempt organizations whose charitable purposes to own and operate low income and seniors housing.
Miles Bloxson: So technically Brant isn’t the owner of Metropolis. He’s the president of a nonprofit that owns Metropolis and that nonprofit has been in charge of the property since 2001. Back then, there were already musicians and creatives living there along with students and other low-income residents.
But what he saw from the musicians and creatives made him want to really lean in to serving that population.
Brant Baber: The sense of, um. Unity that they had. The fact that, uh, uh, they didn’t [00:24:00] just go into their units and close the doors and lock ’em. Uh, they, uh, hung out on the balconies, they cooked out in the courtyards. You know, they were always the people who were, uh, uh, creating, uh, the glue, uh, that, that brought people together.
So that’s, that’s the vibe we wanted to support.
Elizabeth McQueen: you know, metropolis is it’s artist friendly. There’s a lot of murals and art everywhere, and it’s musician friendly. Like people can practice in their apartments. But making a choice to be artist friendly is kind of a choice.
Like that lifestyle is not for everyone. There’s a lot of people who have nine to five jobs, who, who can’t do that. So did that, that correct? Did you consider that when you decided kind of what population you were going after?
Brent Baber: Uh, absolutely. Um, because, uh, there are plenty of places for working class folks to live that have nothing to do with, uh, [00:25:00] uh, the oddity of our community.
Elizabeth McQueen: And Brant said he stands by the decision to focus on creatives.
a little over 20 years ago, you made a decision to really lean into the creative community when it came to Metropolis. , What do you think 25 years later, 24 years later, what do you think about that decision that 2001 brand made?
Brent Baber: Uh, I think it was inspired, frankly, it was, uh, a better decision than 2001 Brant knew he was making because, uh, you know, things have, have, have moved in such a way in Austin that you could not replicate this today. And in the absence of it being there, Austin would’ve lost, uh, something. Worth not losing.
Um, you know, the, the, uh, keep Austin weird vibe, uh, has, uh, has diminished tremendously [00:26:00] except at Metropolis and other, uh, uh, venues, uh, many of which have gone outta business here in the last 10 years. Uh, and, and we haven’t,
Miles Bloxson: That’s interesting that he says that Metropolis couldn’t be replicated today because when we were making this, we thought, well, maybe this is the future of housing for musicians. Maybe other nonprofits could buy a property and just decide that it can be low income housing that is not specifically for musicians and creatives, but encourages and supports them.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah. I was surprised when Brat said that he didn’t think that someone else could replicate Metropolis. I mean, he did say that things have changed in the way that nonprofits can finance these kind of properties.
They have to have a lot more money upfront. Plus most owners who do this, wanna make money.
And running a property like Metropolis is pretty expensive. It’s older and it has like a lot of maintenance costs.
Brent Baber: This has never been a real [00:27:00] money making proposition.
Elizabeth McQueen: But you know, I still feel like this model could maybe work. It’s just that everyone involved would have to agree that they were doing it for other reasons than simply making money.
Like investors could join with a nonprofit and make musician friendly housing, but they’d have to do it for like love, not money.
Miles Bloxson: Yeah, I definitely think this property could be replicated, and I think that it should, because I think that every community in every city has creatives and musicians there, and we need housing for them so that they can continue to create and make art for us, because if we don’t have arts, what are we even doing?
I mean, it’s
Elizabeth McQueen: true. A life without
Miles Bloxson: art. I don’t even really wanna think about it. Me either.
Brant said he’s getting older and he’s looking to sell Metropolis along with the other properties he owns within the next five years. He’s thinking the property could be a mix of low income and market rent units, but he hasn’t been able to find a buyer yet.[00:28:00]
Elizabeth McQueen: But in the next couple of years. Things are gonna change.
Brent Baber: We’ll sell it and, uh, hope, uh, that’s, somebody will keep it up. We’ll figure out how to redevelop it and not cause tremendous displacement.
Miles Bloxson: You know, we have talked about affordable housing for musicians so much on this podcast, Elizabeth.
I was honestly surprised that this has existed for so long in Austin, but it’s strange to think that this housing may be gone soon.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah, it really is.
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Elizabeth McQueen: And that’s it for this season of Pause Play. Whoa. I can’t believe season six is done.
Miles Bloxson: Not quite done yet. Elizabeth, we have a bonus episode coming out after ACL Fest, and we’re going to be talking to Austin artists who are playing the festival about what playing the festival means to them.
Elizabeth McQueen: Yeah. And we will have little bonus episodes dropping here and there with music news. So I guess we [00:29:00] won’t really be gone.
Miles Bloxson: No, we won’t. Never.
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