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An Austin doctor is using vinyl records to help patients cope with serious illnesses and difficult treatments. KUT’s Olivia Aldridge has a look at how music is helping in the healing process.
Texans have access to some of the best bird-watching opportunities in the country. We’ll go behind the scenes of an annual census of the area’s bird population.
You may have spotted him stopping for photos with fans outside the Paramount Theatre or the Continental Club: Austin’s Santa on horseback, Samuel Grey Horse, is back in the saddle after a difficult year. KUT’s Greta Díaz González Vázquez brings us his story.
The full transcript of this episode of Austin Signal is available on the KUT & KUTX Studio website. The transcript is also available as subtitles or captions on some podcast apps.
Syeda Carillo [00:00:09] An Austin doctor is using vinyl records to help patients cope with serious illnesses and difficult treatments. KUT’s Olivia Aldridge has a look at how music is helping in the healing process. And Texans have access to some of the best bird-watching opportunities in the country. We’ll go behind the scenes of an annual census of the area’s bird population. The Austin Signal is a production of KUT News, hosted by Syeda Carrillo. You may have spotted him stopping for photos with fans outside the Paramount Theater or the Continental Club. Austin’s Santa on horseback, Samuel Gray Horse, is back in the saddle after a difficult year. KUT’s Greta Diaz-Gonzalez-Fasquez brings us his story. That and much more coming up today on Austin Signal. Merry Christmas Eve, Austin. I’m Syeda Carrillo. This is Austin Signal. Great to have you with us. The holiday season is a time of celebration and rest for many of us, but for those who are struggling with an illness, it can be particularly difficult. KUT’s Olivia Aldridge tells us about how a doctor and a team of volunteers at Dell Seton Medical Center in downtown Austin are bringing a little bit of cheer and comfort to patients and their families. With the help of good old-fashioned vinyl records.
Olivia Aldridge [00:01:40] Tyler Jorgensen started all this a few years ago. He had just begun his palliative care fellowship at Dell Medical School. After years of working in emergency medicine, he’d now be helping patients manage difficult ongoing conditions, including some at the end of life. And there was this one patient he was having trouble making a connection with.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:02:02] I felt like he was really struggling and suffering and just seemed very isolated and one day just had this idea to like play a little classic rock with him.
Music lyrics [00:02:10] The boys are back in town, the boys are Back in town
Olivia Aldridge [00:02:18] Jorgensen harnessed the power of Thin Lizzy and watched the patient begin to change.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:02:23] This guy, this patient, who was totally walled off, completely came out of his shell.
Olivia Aldridge [00:02:28] He started telling Jorgensen old stories about his life, and being honest and vulnerable about the health challenges he was facing and how he felt about them.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:02:38] And it just struck me that all this time I’ve been practicing medicine, and there’s such a powerful tool that is almost universal to the human experience, which is music, and I’ve never tapped into it.
Olivia Aldridge [00:02:48] He asked his supervisors if he could make a project of it, music therapy with a novel delivery system, an old school record player on a rolling cart. Today, he keeps one in an office at Dalceton, along with a growing collection of 60 or so records.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:03:05] A little of his handbob. Ha ha ha ha. Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown?
Olivia Aldridge [00:03:12] This is home base for the ATX vinyl program. Volunteers check in with the nursing staff to see who might benefit from some music that day. And they ask the patient or their family what kind of music might be special to them. UT Austin sophomore, Daniela Vargas, is lead volunteer. We get.
Daniela Vargas [00:03:31] To curate kind of their playlist for the evening and then we get to take the vinyl and the record player and set it up leave it there and kind of let the patient just be there with the music.
Olivia Aldridge [00:03:55] Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors is the most popular album in the collection, with Etta James, Willie Nelson, and John Denver also getting a lot of play. This time of year, the Vince Guaraldi trio’s A Charlie Brown Christmas is also a hit. But 64-year-old patient Pamela Mansfield had different ideas when the record player came by her room last week.
Country music [00:04:17] Don’t have What
Olivia Aldridge [00:04:23] Definitely no Christmas music. Country all the way. Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, George Jones. I’ve been tasting New Year’s.
Pamela Mansfield [00:04:32] Then on the other hand, ehhh. I think my picker’s broken.
Olivia Aldridge [00:04:42] Mansfield has been through a lot this year. She had a pretty serious fall in April, followed by six neck surgeries. But it hasn’t diminished her sense of humor, and though she’s still working to regain much of her mobility after her most recent surgery, she finds a way to move to the music, her feet swaying in time.
Pamela Mansfield [00:05:02] That seems to be the worst part is the stiffness in my ankles and then no feeling in the hands and I’d be good to go. My music makes everything better.
Country music [00:05:19] Yes
Olivia Aldridge [00:05:20] This is the music of Mansfield’s childhood. She says it reminds her of when her parents were alive. Dr. Jorgensen says it’s that nostalgic quality that makes music and particularly vinyl records effective.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:05:34] I think of this record player as a time machine, you know, something starts spinning an old familiar song on a record player and now you’re back at home, you’re out of the hospital, you’re with your family, you are with your loved ones.
Olivia Aldridge [00:05:48] Mansfield is working painstakingly towards recovery. On the day the record player visited her, she had stood up for three minutes, a milestone following her most recent surgery. But many of the patients Jorgensen works with have terminal conditions. They’re close to the end of life. For them and their families, things can be very heavy. The record player is a curiosity that can break up that heaviness.
Tyler Jorgenson [00:06:14] Now you’re sort of looking at it together and thinking, what are we gonna do with this thing? Let’s play something, you know, for mom. Let’s place something for dad. And you are creating a new positive shared experience in the setting of something that can otherwise be very sad, very heavy.
Olivia Aldridge [00:06:31] Suddenly, with the record spinning, they’ve made a new memory, something to hold onto. I’m Olivia Aldridge in Austin.
Syeda Carillo [00:06:48] One of the many reasons visitors flock to Texas in the wintertime is for the chance to see the various birds that migrate here on their way to warmer climates. Residents can also get in on the birding action while helping gather data for scientists. It’s called the Christmas Bird Count, and it runs until January 5th. Host Miles Bloxson sat down with the Texas Standard Bird enthusiast Raul Alonzo to ask all about it.
Miles Bloxson [00:07:13] What exactly is a Christmas bird count and does it have anything to actually do with Christmas?
Raul Alonzo [00:07:20] So the story I was told is that this really began out of these hunting expeditions that would go on around Christmas time, around the holidays way back when, and hunters would go out and essentially kill as many birds as they can. There was an ornithologist, I believe, who basically said one day, you know, let’s count them instead, right? And they agreed. And ever since then, over a year, folks have been going out on these Christmas bird counts and Essentially, a good way to think about it is kind of like a bird’s census. What it looks like is groups of birders will get together in what is called a circle, which is about 15 miles in diameter, and within that circle, it’s divided even further into smaller regions, right? And so these groups of birds are divided amongst, and each group has its own kind of leader that leads the group into various trails, little nature areas, and essentially What they do is they try and count and log as many birds and bird species that they can in a given area. And that in a way kind of provides a snapshot of what the bird population looks like in the area. As far as a tie to Christmas, I mean, the only real thing I can say is it just takes place around the holidays. And the story of that, it goes back, I mean this is 126th year of the bird count and it goes that far. It just kind of one of those things that, you know, happen in this time of year.
Miles Bloxson [00:08:41] Yeah, that’s interesting that you say that because I was actually on a plane and the girl next to me, she pulled out a book of birds. It’s all about birds. It seems as though there’s a lot of bird enthusiasts out there.
Raul Alonzo [00:08:54] Yeah, the growing trend of birding really catching on in recent years is something to watch. I mean, I’m one of those who kind of caught on. I feel like a lot of it’s kind of tied to pandemic years. That’s whenever I really started getting out there in the time of social distancing of wanting to see birds, see what I could see in, you know, in my home region. And I don’t know, I think people crave these kind of cozy, Pure hearted Hobbies and and birding has certainly caught on as one of those and I think honestly part of me is curious that it’s also like The Pokemon generation there’s an aspect of it. That’s like you got to catch them all you got a spot them all I think there’s a little bit of that. Maybe I’m speaking of myself, but you know
Miles Bloxson [00:09:33] No, I can see that, I could see that. And you went to a bird count recently. Can you take us through your experience? Like, how do you set up? You know, what can you expect when you arrive to this event?
Raul Alonzo [00:09:44] Yeah, I think, you know, you really want to approach it like you would kind of any outdoor event, kind of think about it as a hike, wear some good walking shoes, you know, take along some binoculars if you got them, you know, birding manuals if you have them. A lot of popular apps are Ebird is what they use to log the birds that they spot. Merlin, if you want to get a glimpse of bird calls. But from my experience, unfortunately, it was a little bit of an outlier because this is the 10th year that the San Marcos bird count had been going on, that’s the one I went to. And this year was exceptionally cold and, you know, this is early in the morning, so we were kind of getting the brunt of it. We were being battered by this like 30, 40 degree windchill. And the birds were also feeling as well. We did not see as many birds as we would have liked to. And the person leading it, Rebecca Rylander, a very experienced birder herself, she was saying that, you know, this will kind of affect the data that they find. It will be listed as a factor in the final tally of birds that they see. But yeah, I mean, it was still fun. Now, honestly, to be out there traveling or walking these trails with other folks who are into it, and I think that’s also one of the draws of birding in a group is it’s one of those hobbies that you often do on your own, but when you do it in a groups, you kind of bounce off each other. The energy of the excitement of seeing something, spotting it together, it lends itself to the experience, I feel.
Miles Bloxson [00:11:18] What do the people organizing these outings, what do you feel like they hope to achieve?
Raul Alonzo [00:11:23] So there’s actually kind of like, I feel like a dual purpose. For one, like I said, it provides a snapshot of what the population looks at a given period of time. And it also helps kind of chart trends that the data that they gather helps to add to these studies and determine, you know, needs for conservation and things like that. But you know one thing I often heard is that because it is a citizen science project, anyone can participate. So it also helps bring in the community. It helps, you know, make folks who want to be more out in the natural world want to really engage with the world around them, engage with nature. It gives them an outlet, and I think that’s one other benefit and one other aim that some of the folks organizing these events really try and achieve with them.
Miles Bloxson [00:12:13] And you said that anybody can participate. So how can they do that?
Raul Alonzo [00:12:17] So this is, again, this is a yearly thing. You know, it stretches from December 14th through January 5th, and there’s multiple events in the central Texas region. To keep up with any that are coming up, you can go to travisautobahn.org, and you can find a list of some of the events that are comin’ up in the area, and, you know, kinda bookmark that. If you missed out on one this year, again, it’s a yearly event. There’s gonna be another one. Birding in general is something that you can do at any time as well. Just go out on your balcony and see what you can see.
Miles Bloxson [00:12:48] We’ve been speaking with the Texas Standard’s Raul Alonzo. We’ll have a link to his reporting in today’s podcast show notes. Raul, thanks so much for being here with us on Austin Signal.
Raul Alonzo [00:12:57] Thank you, Miles.
Syeda Carillo [00:13:00] Coming up, this is Austin Signal. Christmas feels a little different depending on where you live. For some, it means cold nights by the fire, carolers on every corner, and kids playing in the snow. Here in Austin, we do things a little differently. No snow, sometimes shorts on Christmas Day, and of course, a man dressed as Santa riding around town on a horse or mule. KUT’s Greta Diaz-Gonzalez-Vasquez has his story.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:13:38] Merry Christmas!
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:13:42] His name is Samuel Greyhorse, and on any December night, he can be found at the Continental Club, riding down the central lane of Congress Avenue or outside the Paramount Theater. He’s a Native American man who’s been riding his horses around Austin since 1977, but about a decade ago, he started doing it dressed as Santa. People wave at him and honk from their cars, others ask him for photos.
Guests [00:14:07] 1, 2, 3! Yes! The horse is a natural. Yes, yes!
Samuel Greyhorse [00:14:14] You want a picture too?
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:14:16] While he enjoys taking photos, his favorite part is riding his horses and seeing the city from up there.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:14:22] It’s a different energy and it’s beautiful, it’s very beautiful.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:14:26] Also a known musician, Sam has become an Austin staple. Mackenzie Mitchell works at the Continental and is Sam’s friend. It’s a sort of a symbol in Austin.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:14:39] Fickerheads.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:14:40] Mitchell says some nights, when Sam comes to play or listen to music, he brings his horse into the bar as well. Yes, you heard me right. He brings the horse into the bar.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:14:52] The mule and the horse are over 21, so…
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:14:55] Sam brings joy to many in Austin, but 2025 was a bumpy ride for him. His house burned down, he had to move out of Austin, one of his horses, Big Red, died. His eyesight is getting worse and he’s lost all hearing in his left ear. All of it made him ask himself.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:15:13] Why do I keep doing this? You know, nobody cares.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:15:16] But people do care. When his house burned down in early January, the community put together a GoFundMe and raised over $30,000 for him.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:15:25] People that would never talk to me.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:15:28] A woman he barely knew offered him a place to stay in return for taking care of 105 acres of land in Lockhart, a perfect place for his horses, cats, pigs, and mule, a mule he often rides around town. When he lived in Austin, Sam used to get his horse ready and hit the road right from his backyard. Now he has to drive an hour each way. A friend of his gave him an old truck so he could move around and he sure uses it.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:15:55] And it’s still going. It’s 389,000 miles. He gave it to me with 267,000.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:16:02] When Big Red, his horse, died in November, Sam was heartbroken, but even so he now says
Samuel Greyhorse [00:16:08] Yeah, I’m kind of very happy because I know I’ll see him again, but not now. And I miss him very much every day.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:16:17] Sam knows he’ll never replace Big Red or anything of what he lost in 2025.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:16:23] I went from rock bottom, and I’m still rock bottom but to me health is wealth. Health is everything to me now.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:16:31] And so even after a hard year, Sam is out and about on the streets of Austin this December. Ho, ho, ho. He takes photos with anybody who asks for one. And everybody asks, even cops. For Constable Tanya Nixon, this is the second photo she’s asked for in two weeks.
Tanya Nixon [00:16:49] I like to see him. Yeah, I like it brings joy and then even when I posted our pictures other people in Austin knew him because one of the girls got on the post she said that’s Samuel Greyhorses. I say it sure is.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:16:59] While seeing Santa riding a horse might be a cultural attraction, for Sam, it’s also a way of reminding people that at some point, Native Americans rode around this part of the country and that they still do now.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:17:11] Indigenous people are the real horsemen of this country. You know, they mastered the horsemanship before the cowboy world came here. You know what I mean?
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:17:21] For Sam, the connection with his horses is sacred.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:17:24] The horse is our brother and I just want to show that too to the city of Austin.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:17:29] In a time when many creatives have been pushed out of the city, Sam’s the kind of guy that always sees the glass half full. Sure, he now has to drive into Austin, but he gets to be Santa and ride around Lockhart as well. He’s also closer to family and he has new horses he’s training.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:17:46] Oh absolutely, yes, I’m what’s left of what’s weird.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:17:50] After all that he’s been through, when he asks himself, why do this? Why be Santa?
Samuel Greyhorse [00:17:56] I do have an answer, because that’s what I’m supposed to be doing.
Greta Diaz Gonzalez Vasquez [00:18:00] Sam says he’s just happy that Austin allows him to be who he really is. I’d saddle every evening and ride my fateful mounts. I’m Greta Diaz-Gonzalez Vazquez in Austin.
Samuel Greyhorse [00:18:12] I don’t know where I’m going and I don’t know who I’ll see But I know I’ll a see a smile that’s good enough for me I’m the 6th Street cowboy on Congress Albee Sometimes at the White Horse Continental Gallery I live in Austin, Texas, that’s where I got my name Arrested on horseback my life has changed.
Syeda Carillo [00:18:38] The holidays are a time for celebration and music for a lot of people. You can’t escape Mariah Carey this time of year, not that I’d want to. KUT’s Jimmy Moss asked the KUT news team what their favorite holiday songs are and why.
Jimmy Mass [00:19:03] It is the most wonderful time of the year, at least for Andy Williams and me. And why not? With the kids jingle-belling and everyone telling you be of good cheer. We spent 11 months working as hard as we could and now we sit back and listen to some of our favorite songs that remind us of days of yore. This is the only period of year where we use the word yore, so we asked the KUT staff What they like to listen to during this time of year And we started with a familiar voice.
Jerry Quijano [00:19:34] My name is Jerry Quijano, and I’m the All Things Considered and Austin Signal host. When I mention holiday songs, what’s the first thing that comes to mind? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, the first things that come to mind are a lot of sad songs, about it being white and it being snowy, and so a lot songs that I grew up in South Central Texas, so most of the time we’re wearing like shorts, you now, and in the daytime it’s like 75 degrees on a Christmas day. And so for that reason, one of my favorite Christmas songs is Little Saint Nick by The Beach Boys. The music sounds like, you know, the sun is shining and the sky is blue. One of my favorite things about the Beach Boys is the harmonies, you know, and I think like that reminds me of spending time with my family as well, you know, singing the songs together or humming them along, but… You know that part, you know, so it’s not just the one person singing. It’s the whole group is in on it
Kristen Cabrera [00:20:30] Hi, my name is Kristen Cabrera. I am the managing producer for Austin Signal. And my favorite holiday song is Christmas, Baby Please Come Home, by U2. I love the song because I remember visiting my grandparents in Dallas and it was always on the radio. But I really love every version of the song. I’ve heard it. But YouTube specifically has this just like this 90s grip on that song.
Jimmy Mass [00:21:04] Here’s KUT Arts Desk Editor Stephanie Federico.
Stephanie Federico [00:21:07] Father Christmas, give us some money We’ve got no use for your silly toys We’ll beat you up in
Music lyrics [00:21:15] No, no, no We want your breath So don’t make us alone Give all the time
Stephanie Federico [00:21:22] Yeah, The Kinks, Father Christmas, best Christmas song at Barra.
Luz Moreno-Lozano [00:21:28] Luz Moreno Lozano, I am the city hall reporter. I think my favorite one is Feliz Navidad. Growing up, you know, we made the males and we would do the posadas and just like our family tradition on Christmas Eve always included Christmas music and Feliz navidad was probably the one that we played the most.
Andy Yeho [00:21:50] Hi, my name is Andy Yeho. I’m on the web team here at KUT. My favorite holiday song is Joy to the World by Mariah Carey because it’s great to sing along with in the car. No.
Chelsea Zhu [00:22:07] I’m Chelsea Zhu. I’m the digital producer at KUT. My favorite Christmas song is Frosty the Snowman.
Music lyrics [00:22:14] The snowman was a cowl-
Chelsea Zhu [00:22:16] I was really scared of Frosty when I was a kid, the animated cartoon version, and the song made it better.
Mose Buchele [00:22:22] Mose Buchele, longtime reporter here at KUT.
Jimmy Mass [00:22:26] What is your favorite Christmas or holiday music, and why?
Mose Buchele [00:22:31] I can’t decide, Jimmy. I just can’t decided. When I was growing up, we listened to Willie Nelson’s Pretty Paper all the time. And that still just evokes such great childhood memory for me. It’s usually the first song I give. Pretty paper, pretty ribbon, the way I watch the blue. When that song comes on, I am a kid again. You know i grew up in uh… In in the northeast in a colder part of the country and it’s cold outside would fire is going and uh… It’s but it’s warm inside and uh and that and that music from the lp and that means that start playing and it it takes me right back to that christmas feeling those childhood memories but you might have more oh yeah i mean ever since idea i’m a huge christmas that you know so is so my life is just been Gathering up more and more Christmas Music to throw on the other year. I was going through going through a bin at Goodwill And I found someone’s old collection tons of old Christmas disco albums There’s a band called The Sal Sol orchestra It was a studio band and they came out with an album and I think was in 76 called Christmas Jollies And it’s got this disco rhythm this party sound that now I put that on I find myself putting that on almost More than anything else decorating the tree Having a little eggnog Uh, it’s great. I love it. S-uh, Sol Sol like to strut.
Music lyrics [00:23:53] Oh, nah!
Andrew Weber [00:24:08] Andrew Weber from KUT here, my favorite Christmas, not Carol, song, uh, cause it’s more of a hymn, is Oh Holy Night, specifically the Nat King Cole version of it. My granddad, Mr. England, always listened, and my grandmother still does, listen to Nat King Cole on Christmas Eve, and I have very fond memories of that, celebrating the holiday, and just the sound of that song. It just, you can hear the room. It just has this like reverberation to it. And it’s obviously Nat King Cole’s voice. So it’s, it gets me. It gets me every time.
Jennifer Stayton [00:24:53] My name is Jennifer Staten and my favorite holiday song, Oh Holy Night, a more traditional Christmas song, the notes, the chords, the dynamics, I just find it calming and inspiring all at once.
Olivia Aldridge [00:25:08] I’m Olivia Aldridge. I’m a reporter here at KUT, and my favorite Christmas song is Oh Holy Night, because the drama is simply unmatched. I have performed it in the church. I would not like to perform it now. Ha ha ha! It’s a big song, Jimmy.
Jimmy Mass [00:25:31] I’m well aware.
Olivia Aldridge [00:25:34] Oh
Music lyrics [00:25:34] Holy night The stars are brightly shining It is the light of our dear Savior’s birth
Trey Schar [00:25:58] I’m Trey Scharr, an editor with KUT News and Jack of all trades. My favorite is Vince Guaraldi Trio’s Christmas Time is Here, the instrumental, which everyone instantly recognizes from a Charlie Brown Christmas.
Nathan Bernier [00:26:11] My name is Nathan Bernier and I’m the transportation reporter at KUT and my favorite holiday song is Christmastime is Here. It’s happy and sad at the same time. It’s warm but it’s also melancholy. It’s like uplifting and kind of cute, especially when they bring in the Charlie Brown. Chorus.
Trey Schar [00:26:34] It’s laid back, peaceful, and those brushes on the snare drum are suggestive of walking across new fallen snow on a quiet winter day.
Nathan Bernier [00:26:42] It is like lonely. Like you’re walking through a snowstorm by yourself. I don’t know. It’s just the perfect Christmas song because Christmas is both happy and sad.
Mose Buchele [00:26:57] Oh, this is Moe’s again. I love Christmas music so much, I taught myself that, you know, Christmas time is here. That piano, that piano kind of version. Just so poignant, so heartbreakingly beautiful. A little…
Jimmy Mass [00:27:14] Tend to lean toward the melancholy outside of the disco.
Mose Buchele [00:27:16] Absolutely, you know, it’s a weird thing, like, if you think about classic Christmas music, a lot of it is, like joyful, but then also deeply sad and depressing. Have yourself a merry little Christmas. I mean, that it’s… It’s sad. It’s just sad.
Jimmy Mass [00:27:31] Right, pining for something that may or may not actually occur.
Mose Buchele [00:27:35] Yes. Yeah, I mean, that is really, that’s part of the essence of Christmas. It’s like, yeah, there’s a nostalgia to it that’s almost baked in that is part of the magic. You’re thinking about when you were younger, you’re thinking about family, and it’s a time to celebrate but also kind of maybe recognize loss and all that too. But then you’ve got the Salsall Orchestra coming in and lifting it back up. Coming in hot, yeah. Hehehehehehe
Jimmy Mass [00:28:07] Happy holidays to all from the KUT team, but before we go, Syeda, what is yours?
Syeda Carillo [00:28:14] Well, thanks for asking, Jimmy. I’m gonna go with a classic. Mariah Carey’s All I Want for Christmas Is You. You truly can’t escape it this season, but why would you want to? It’s great. It’s gonna stick in your head forever. It is just so fun. And there’s only a certain time of year you can enjoy it. So I’m all for it. That’s it for us today on Austin Signal. Rayna Sevilla is our technical director. Kristen Cabrera is our managing producer. I am Syeda Carrillo. Happy Holidays and thanks for listening to Austin Signal.
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