1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,079 The Hays Consolidated School 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,919 District voted unanimously in favor 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,919 of more than $12 million in budget 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,919 cuts ahead of the next school year. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,819 It's the largest such budget slash 6 00:00:17,820 --> 00:00:19,359 in more than a decade, and it's a 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,899 move other school districts could be 8 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:22,759 facing in coming years. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,179 And there's not much known about the 10 00:00:24,180 --> 00:00:26,139 tactics and technology used by Texas 11 00:00:26,140 --> 00:00:27,759 state police and ICE agents to 12 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,679 detain people, but video from 13 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,179 a detention last summer in East 14 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:32,679 Austin is providing a better picture 15 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,259 of how enforcement operations 16 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:35,439 unfold. 17 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,219 More about these stories coming up 18 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:38,739 on today's show. 19 00:00:38,740 --> 00:00:40,619 The Austin Signal is a production 20 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:42,719 of KUT News, hosted by 21 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,909 Jerry Quijano. 22 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:45,529 Plus, around a hundred million years 23 00:00:45,530 --> 00:00:47,429 ago, a small baby dinosaur about 24 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:49,449 two years old died amid the harsh 25 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:50,549 landscape. 26 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:52,089 Fast forward a few years, and now 27 00:00:52,090 --> 00:00:53,409 that little dinosaur is at the 28 00:00:53,410 --> 00:00:55,969 center of an exciting new discovery. 29 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:57,829 Come hear about it, that's next 30 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:58,970 on Austin Signal. 31 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:10,139 Howdy out there, thank you for 32 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:12,419 tuning in to Austin Signal. 33 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:13,839 I'm your host, Jerry Keconnell, it 34 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,859 is Tuesday, March 31st, the 35 00:01:15,860 --> 00:01:17,659 last day of the month. 36 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:19,399 Thanks for spending part of your day 37 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,539 here with us. 38 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:23,579 Last night, Hays Consolidated ISD 39 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:25,359 voted to cut 12 and a half million 40 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,239 dollars from its school budget for 41 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,379 next year. 42 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:29,859 What does that mean and how is that 43 00:01:29,860 --> 00:01:31,399 gonna impact the county? 44 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,119 Well, for more, we are joined by 45 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,159 KUT's Hays County reporter, Lee 46 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,459 Walden. Lee, thanks for joining us 47 00:01:36,460 --> 00:01:36,979 on the show. 48 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:38,209 Thanks for having me. 49 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:40,309 So, let's start first by talking 50 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:42,209 about a big thing I know 51 00:01:42,210 --> 00:01:43,729 is that some educators will be 52 00:01:43,730 --> 00:01:46,069 losing their job amidst 53 00:01:46,070 --> 00:01:48,449 this job budget slash, 54 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:49,549 excuse me. Can you tell us more 55 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:51,809 about those proposed layoffs? 56 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:53,029 Yeah, yeah. 57 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:54,849 It was a tough meeting 58 00:01:54,850 --> 00:01:55,850 to sit through. 59 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:58,969 There's going to be educator layoffs 60 00:01:58,970 --> 00:02:00,809 and reclassifications and 61 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:02,889 job title changes throughout the 62 00:02:02,890 --> 00:02:04,129 district. 63 00:02:04,130 --> 00:02:05,189 They don't really have an exact 64 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:06,969 number of the number of instructors 65 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:08,189 that they're losing or 66 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:09,849 reclassifying. 67 00:02:09,850 --> 00:02:11,729 They're trying to do as best a job 68 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:13,109 as possible to keep people within 69 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:15,169 the district, but we 70 00:02:15,170 --> 00:02:16,729 like seven librarians are going to 71 00:02:16,730 --> 00:02:18,899 be lost. Teachers are going to be 72 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:19,979 laid off and they've been having 73 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:21,479 those conversations slowly and I 74 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,779 think more information about that 75 00:02:22,780 --> 00:02:24,699 will come out once they have a final 76 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:26,619 number of how many educators are 77 00:02:26,620 --> 00:02:28,119 no longer going to have their 78 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,499 positions. 79 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:31,379 But yeah, it's kind of 80 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:32,759 going to be a big transition for the 81 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,239 district as they come to terms with 82 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,029 their new numbers. 83 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:36,169 Yeah, there will be a lot of 84 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:37,669 educators who lose their job and 85 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:39,269 there will a lot others who still 86 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:40,889 have their jobs but will be affected 87 00:02:40,890 --> 00:02:43,059 in other ways. Tell us about those. 88 00:02:43,060 --> 00:02:44,939 Yeah, there's going to be a 89 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:46,919 change in the stipends that 90 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,199 teachers receive. 91 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,239 For one thing, there 92 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,299 are stipends offered to teachers 93 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:54,259 within Hays CISD 94 00:02:54,260 --> 00:02:55,519 for things like professional 95 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,639 degrees, so if you've got your 96 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:57,979 master's or your PhD. 97 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:01,479 So folks who have gotten used 98 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,379 to and been reliant on 99 00:03:03,380 --> 00:03:04,739 that money being in their paycheck 100 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:06,079 are going to have to make 101 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,759 substantial adjustments next year 102 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,639 because it's several hundred dollars 103 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:11,399 a month and you know that adds up 104 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,419 over the course of a school year. 105 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:15,659 I talked to a teacher and 106 00:03:15,660 --> 00:03:16,879 parent within Hays 107 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:20,079 Ruah Gleason, and she told me 108 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,059 that this is gonna be felt 109 00:03:22,060 --> 00:03:23,598 for folks. 110 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,999 It's definitely reduces 111 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,959 their ability 112 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,999 to bring their paycheck 113 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,859 up just a tiny bit for their things 114 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:33,259 like their master's degree, their 115 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:34,619 doctor's degree which they've worked 116 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,579 very hard for, probably put 117 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:38,599 their families on the back burner, 118 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,679 probably taken student loans out. 119 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,079 So it seems really 120 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,749 really punitive and unfair. 121 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:46,909 Okay, Lee, what else do we know 122 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:48,489 about these budget cuts for next 123 00:03:48,490 --> 00:03:49,549 school year? 124 00:03:49,550 --> 00:03:51,669 Yeah, so another addition 125 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:53,289 to these budget cuts or, you know, 126 00:03:53,290 --> 00:03:55,229 within this plan is fees for 127 00:03:55,230 --> 00:03:56,089 sports. 128 00:03:56,090 --> 00:03:58,469 So they're going to ask athletes, 129 00:03:58,470 --> 00:04:00,029 student athletes to start to pay 130 00:04:00,030 --> 00:04:01,769 fees to participate, something 131 00:04:01,770 --> 00:04:03,249 that's been happening for folks who 132 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:04,909 are doing like fine arts 133 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:06,529 extracurriculars for years now. 134 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:08,389 So it's kind of a question 135 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:10,009 of equity at a certain point, too, 136 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:12,529 but fees for folks in sports, 137 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:14,189 they're cutting some arts programs. 138 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:16,859 And one of the particular issues... 139 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:18,679 Of interest, and that came up a 140 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,518 lot last night, was class sizes 141 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:21,719 being increased. 142 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,719 So they're going to have more 143 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,579 students to teachers across 144 00:04:25,580 --> 00:04:26,899 the board. 145 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,299 So pre-K is 146 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:31,159 going to be 24 to 1. 147 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,159 Fifth grade is somewhere around 148 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,359 27, I believe, and then, 149 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,939 yeah, 6 through 12 are going to have 150 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:38,359 class sizes of around 30. 151 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,919 So it's a lot of kids in a 152 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,819 classroom, and I 153 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:44,619 think teachers and parents alike are 154 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:45,859 concerned about what those numbers 155 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:47,069 are going to look like. 156 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:49,249 In your reporting you talk about how 157 00:04:49,250 --> 00:04:50,869 the way the district is funded is an 158 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:52,589 issue and how many folks or how 159 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:54,509 folks have proposed funding by 160 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:55,989 attendance instead. 161 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:56,969 Can you tell us how it's currently 162 00:04:56,970 --> 00:04:58,009 funded? 163 00:04:58,010 --> 00:04:59,250 Yeah, it's a little funky. 164 00:05:00,350 --> 00:05:02,289 Texas is one of six states to be 165 00:05:02,290 --> 00:05:03,709 funded on what's called average 166 00:05:03,710 --> 00:05:06,029 daily attendance, or ADA, 167 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:07,509 instead of just enrollment. 168 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:09,649 So in most of the country, 169 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:11,669 districts are funded 170 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:12,989 based on the number of students 171 00:05:12,990 --> 00:05:14,529 enrolled. But in Texas, they use 172 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:16,129 this equation where it's the number 173 00:05:16,130 --> 00:05:18,429 students enrolled multiplied by 174 00:05:18,430 --> 00:05:19,829 that ADA, that average daily 175 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:21,809 attendance, which in Hays, I mean, 176 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:23,909 it took a hit in the pandemic as 177 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:25,169 students I just lost some engagement 178 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:26,059 because of... 179 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:27,779 You know, online schooling and we're 180 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:28,859 taking time off because they were 181 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:30,059 getting sick. 182 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:32,859 So it's sitting around 93.7%, 183 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:35,119 but that around 6% 184 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,779 is deeply felt. 185 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:39,899 I talked to the HACISD 186 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:41,858 Chief Communications 187 00:05:41,859 --> 00:05:44,139 official yesterday and 188 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:45,599 Tim Savoy was telling me that this 189 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,279 is something that, you know they've 190 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:48,559 been thinking about for years, but 191 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,019 it's especially pertinent as they 192 00:05:50,020 --> 00:05:51,889 start to make these budget cuts. 193 00:05:51,890 --> 00:05:53,949 Texas still funds on average 194 00:05:53,950 --> 00:05:55,049 daily attendance. 195 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:57,669 And like I said, ours is 93.7, 196 00:05:57,670 --> 00:05:59,209 but that doesn't mean we pay the 197 00:05:59,210 --> 00:06:00,389 teacher 93. 198 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:02,229 7% of their salary and we 199 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:04,389 don't get to pay 93. 200 00:06:04,390 --> 00:06:06,249 7% of the elected bill 201 00:06:06,250 --> 00:06:08,989 for the school. 202 00:06:08,990 --> 00:06:11,889 All the bills and expenses are 100%, 203 00:06:11,890 --> 00:06:14,250 but we're not funded at 100%. 204 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:16,889 We have been speaking with Lee 205 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:18,749 Walden. She is KUT's Hays 206 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:19,669 County reporter. 207 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:20,869 We're going to have a link to her 208 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:22,749 reporting in today's show notes and 209 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:24,789 at kut.org slash 210 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:25,979 signal Lee. Thank you. 211 00:06:25,980 --> 00:06:26,939 Thanks so much. 212 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:28,919 And in more education news, 213 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,879 Austin Independent School District 214 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,759 yesterday decided to close the 215 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,219 oldest operating elementary school 216 00:06:33,220 --> 00:06:34,619 in Austin. That's Blackshear 217 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:35,579 Elementary. 218 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:37,679 The plan set for 2028 219 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,319 is to merge the Blacksheer campus 220 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,359 community with the more modern Oak 221 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,739 Springs Elementary. 222 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:45,079 We're gonna have more about that in 223 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,120 today's show notes. 224 00:06:55,260 --> 00:06:57,079 Texas state police and ICE agents 225 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,799 last summer conducted an immigration 226 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,599 sweep in East Austin that resulted 227 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,419 in the detention of five workers 228 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:04,239 near a construction site. 229 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,299 The arrest sparked anger from 230 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:07,739 immigrant rights groups and raised 231 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:09,819 questions about due process and 232 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,639 police tactics. 233 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,939 Recently, the Texas newsroom 234 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:14,899 obtained police dash and body 235 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:16,459 cam video of the event through an 236 00:07:16,460 --> 00:07:18,299 open records request. 237 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:19,779 As the Texas Newsroom's Moe's 238 00:07:19,780 --> 00:07:21,639 Bouchelle reports, those videos 239 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,039 shed light on how police, and 240 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,889 federal agents. 241 00:07:23,890 --> 00:07:25,769 Use traffic stops to pull people 242 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:28,189 into deportation proceedings, 243 00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:29,669 and reveal Department of Public 244 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:31,689 Safety agents breaking state policy 245 00:07:31,690 --> 00:07:33,130 on wearing face masks. 246 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:41,379 Early in the morning of July 31st, 247 00:07:41,380 --> 00:07:42,899 State Trooper Ricky Cotto was 248 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:44,659 watching traffic on Pleasant Valley 249 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:46,519 Road in East Austin when he 250 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,439 spotted Gabriel Martinez Segura 251 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,339 driving a white Chevy van 252 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:52,039 to a drywall job. 253 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,559 Cotto later said the van's front 254 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,569 license plate looked out of place. 255 00:07:55,570 --> 00:07:57,069 Driver, can you hear me? 256 00:07:57,070 --> 00:07:58,409 Can you pull forward? 257 00:07:58,410 --> 00:07:59,869 We're kind of blocking the road. 258 00:07:59,870 --> 00:08:01,729 Within about 11 minutes 259 00:08:01,730 --> 00:08:04,009 of being stopped, Martinez Segura 260 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:05,949 and the four other occupants 261 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:07,909 of the van were in handcuffs and 262 00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:09,729 turned over to ICE. 263 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:11,369 During the time in between, the 264 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:12,949 videos show Cotto treating the 265 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:14,769 encounter like a normal traffic stop 266 00:08:14,770 --> 00:08:17,389 with Martinez Segur, well, 267 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:19,019 back in his police car. 268 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:20,719 I need somebody at my location right 269 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:21,779 away. 270 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:24,289 I got a van with four to five. 271 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:25,749 He was requesting backup and 272 00:08:25,750 --> 00:08:27,409 planning how to detain the men over 273 00:08:27,410 --> 00:08:28,189 his radio. 274 00:08:28,190 --> 00:08:29,609 So the right side of the vehicle is 275 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:32,229 accessible to the fence that 276 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:33,349 leads into the work site. 277 00:08:33,350 --> 00:08:34,369 So when we come up, we're going to 278 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:35,729 have to block it. 279 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:37,589 When more officers arrive, some 280 00:08:37,590 --> 00:08:39,449 wearing ski masks or other face 281 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:41,249 coverings, their vests bear the 282 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:43,449 markings of state DPS agents, 283 00:08:43,450 --> 00:08:45,129 ICE and ATF. 284 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:46,649 After the men from the van are taken 285 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:48,769 away, the recordings show officers 286 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:50,469 dealing with paperwork like the 287 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:51,470 traffic citation. 288 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:54,970 Give ice a copy. 289 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,639 Congratulations each other on the 290 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,559 operation, at one point Cotto calls 291 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,619 it a jackpot and explains 292 00:09:02,620 --> 00:09:04,819 how he pulled the men over. 293 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:06,679 Improperly placed plate and I 294 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,659 do it every time better no 295 00:09:08,660 --> 00:09:09,660 traffic 296 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:13,949 and interacting with the public. 297 00:09:13,950 --> 00:09:15,609 At the very end, a construction 298 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:17,449 worker asked Cotto if he was the 299 00:09:17,450 --> 00:09:19,269 one who reported the men to ICE. 300 00:09:19,270 --> 00:09:20,328 You call ICE? 301 00:09:20,329 --> 00:09:21,909 Yes. You call ICE? 302 00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:22,739 Take it? 303 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:24,279 To which the trooper replies, 304 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,719 Highway Patrol don't stop anybody 305 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,789 except for traffic violations. 306 00:09:27,790 --> 00:09:29,349 I just want to stop anybody from 307 00:09:29,350 --> 00:09:30,589 having traffic violations, that's 308 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:30,809 it. 309 00:09:30,810 --> 00:09:32,089 I got nothing to do, really gotta 310 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:33,259 stop. 311 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:34,260 That's it, 312 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,599 I've got nothing to do with the 313 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,600 other stuff. 314 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:40,779 But a statement provided by the 315 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:42,379 Texas Department of Public Safety 316 00:09:42,380 --> 00:09:43,699 contradicts that. 317 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:45,419 It says that Cotto was working with 318 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:46,959 a Homeland Security strike team when 319 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,179 he pulled the men over and that, 320 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:50,699 quote, During the stop, the trooper 321 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,679 was unable to verify the identity 322 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,199 of the driver through DPS databases, 323 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,759 so they contacted HSI. 324 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,699 HSI is Homeland Security 325 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:01,559 Investigations, a division of 326 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:02,179 ICE. 327 00:10:02,180 --> 00:10:04,179 What is so interesting about this 328 00:10:04,180 --> 00:10:06,079 particular video is the exact 329 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,999 same types of collaboration 330 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,059 that we used to see along the border 331 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:12,019 has now moved to the 332 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:12,609 interior. 333 00:10:12,610 --> 00:10:14,569 Kristin Eder is policy director 334 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:16,429 for the Texas Immigration Law 335 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:18,429 Council, one of the experts we asked 336 00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:20,049 to review the videos. 337 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:22,009 She says they highlight the speed 338 00:10:22,010 --> 00:10:23,829 and relative quietness 339 00:10:23,830 --> 00:10:25,749 of these operations in states 340 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:27,669 like Texas where local and 341 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:29,369 state police partner with ICE 342 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:29,989 agents. 343 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:31,949 So one out of every four 344 00:10:31,950 --> 00:10:33,869 immigration apprehensions in the 345 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:36,469 country is happening in Texas. 346 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:38,769 So while we might not have the 347 00:10:38,770 --> 00:10:40,709 big kind of occupations that 348 00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:42,989 we see in Minneapolis, 349 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:44,909 Chicago, LA, we 350 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:46,789 are doing that type 351 00:10:46,790 --> 00:10:48,969 of disappearance at 352 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:51,049 a much larger scale in 353 00:10:51,050 --> 00:10:52,669 a very quiet way. 354 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:54,829 Ian Adams, a former police officer 355 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:56,449 and professor of criminal justice at 356 00:10:56,450 --> 00:10:58,329 the University of South Carolina, 357 00:10:58,330 --> 00:10:59,949 said the videos show an almost 358 00:10:59,950 --> 00:11:02,229 textbook example of cross-agency 359 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,069 partnerships, including the 360 00:11:04,070 --> 00:11:05,229 close communication between 361 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:07,109 agencies, the speedy arrival of 362 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:08,809 backup, the preoccupation with 363 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:10,889 paperwork, and even the officer's 364 00:11:10,890 --> 00:11:12,889 celebratory tone after the arrest. 365 00:11:12,890 --> 00:11:15,269 What comes to mind is, for example, 366 00:11:15,270 --> 00:11:16,479 fugitive task forces 367 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,359 Both Adams and Etter said some 368 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,079 of the police tactics on display 369 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,419 might surprise the general public, 370 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:23,719 but are actually pretty standard 371 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,739 practice from the use of what's 372 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:27,579 called pretextual traffic 373 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:28,409 stops. 374 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:30,349 Pretextual stops just 375 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:32,589 means I'm going to 376 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:34,729 stop somebody for a violation I've 377 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:36,689 actually observed. 378 00:11:36,690 --> 00:11:38,889 And maybe I'll also 379 00:11:38,890 --> 00:11:40,709 keep my eyes out for, you 380 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:42,869 know, other suspicious or possibly 381 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:44,609 criminal activities. 382 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:46,629 An officer allowing a 383 00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:47,949 suspect to believe the stop was 384 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:50,249 about one thing when it's really 385 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:51,749 about something else. 386 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:53,509 All law enforcement, including state 387 00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:54,969 and federal law enforcement 388 00:11:54,970 --> 00:11:56,789 officers, are allowed 389 00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:58,749 to use trickery, lies, 390 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:01,609 and deceit to gain cooperation, 391 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:02,029 confession. 392 00:12:02,030 --> 00:12:03,609 Admissions. 393 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:05,769 In response to email questions, 394 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:07,169 Texas Department of Public Safety 395 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:09,409 spokesperson Sheridan Nolan wrote 396 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:11,529 that the operation last year was 397 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:12,809 part of a state and federal 398 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:14,829 partnership that is making our state 399 00:12:14,830 --> 00:12:16,989 safer. Though Kristen Eder notes, 400 00:12:16,990 --> 00:12:18,489 none of the men arrested were 401 00:12:18,490 --> 00:12:20,509 charged with criminal offenses. 402 00:12:20,510 --> 00:12:22,489 The DPS declined an interview 403 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:23,849 request with state trooper Ricky 404 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:24,749 Cotto. 405 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:26,589 Cotto did not wear a 406 00:12:26,590 --> 00:12:28,509 mask during the operation, but 407 00:12:28,510 --> 00:12:30,449 some state police agents did. 408 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:31,949 When emailed about the agent's face 409 00:12:31,950 --> 00:12:33,949 masks, Nolan replied that 410 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:35,949 it is not DPS practice 411 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:37,989 to conceal identities, 412 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:39,509 and the use of face-concealing masks 413 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:40,709 by criminal investigations 414 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:42,629 division's special agents, as shown 415 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:44,669 in the video, is specifically 416 00:12:44,670 --> 00:12:45,689 prohibited. 417 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:47,189 He wrote that each agent will be 418 00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:48,869 counseled and their chain of command 419 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:50,749 will be making it clear face 420 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:52,569 coverings should not be worn on duty 421 00:12:52,570 --> 00:12:54,289 unless for reasons outlined in 422 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:55,249 policy. 423 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:56,649 Again, Ian Adams. 424 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:58,609 When the police start believing 425 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:00,729 that policing needs to be hidden, 426 00:13:00,730 --> 00:13:02,789 that sort of attacks the 427 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:05,049 trust that the community can have. 428 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:06,989 I think professionally a lot of 429 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:08,469 officers themselves have concerns 430 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:09,470 about it because 431 00:13:12,350 --> 00:13:14,069 The operation documented in these 432 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:15,989 videos did not involve the City 433 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:18,129 of Austin police department, but 434 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:20,249 the videos are coming out as Austin 435 00:13:20,250 --> 00:13:22,229 announces new policies over how 436 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:23,629 to manage city officers' 437 00:13:23,630 --> 00:13:25,669 interactions with ICE, and Austin 438 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:27,649 City Council considers new rules 439 00:13:27,650 --> 00:13:29,729 banning all law enforcement from 440 00:13:29,730 --> 00:13:31,629 using face coverings while in the 441 00:13:31,630 --> 00:13:33,689 city. For Austinites and other 442 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:35,609 Texans in cities that oppose the ICE 443 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:37,489 surge, these videos are a 444 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:39,429 reminder that regardless of local 445 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:41,249 policy state police 446 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:43,129 have been in power to enforce 447 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:45,669 immigration law anywhere in Texas. 448 00:13:45,670 --> 00:13:47,089 In fact, in the months since these 449 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:48,769 arrests, they've been given greater 450 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:50,209 powers to make immigration 451 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:51,449 apprehensions. 452 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:52,579 Again, Kristin Eder. 453 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:54,439 It's safe to assume that any 454 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,219 time law enforcement is involved, 455 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:57,459 there is a risk of immigration 456 00:13:57,460 --> 00:13:58,349 detention. 457 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:00,389 One unanswered question is 458 00:14:00,390 --> 00:14:02,209 what happened to the men detained 459 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:03,229 that day. 460 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:05,269 Where nationality was included in 461 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:06,909 the arrest records, the men were 462 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:09,249 listed as being from Mexico. 463 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:10,969 ICE did not respond to repeated 464 00:14:10,970 --> 00:14:12,809 requests for information. 465 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:14,569 Austin Immigrant Advocacy Groups and 466 00:14:14,570 --> 00:14:16,669 the Mexican Consulate in Austin said 467 00:14:16,670 --> 00:14:18,529 they had no information. 468 00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:20,409 But there is some indication the men 469 00:14:20,410 --> 00:14:21,589 may have been removed from the 470 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:22,589 country. 471 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:24,269 Federal records made available by 472 00:14:24,270 --> 00:14:26,219 the Deportation Data Project 473 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,059 show that five men with Mexican 474 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:29,959 citizenship were booked into an 475 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,059 ice holding room in Austin at 476 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:33,019 10 a.m. 477 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:34,439 On the same morning that the East 478 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,319 Austin operation took place. 479 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,439 While the records do not include 480 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,499 names, they indicate that all 481 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:41,219 five of them were ultimately 482 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:42,639 deported. 483 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,339 For the Texas Newsroom, I'm Mose 484 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:45,340 Buchele. 485 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:46,909 And we're gonna have a link to 486 00:14:46,910 --> 00:14:48,809 Mose's story in today's show notes 487 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:50,809 and at kut.org 488 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,169 slash signal. 489 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:53,249 This is Austin Signal. 490 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:54,929 We will be back after a break. 491 00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:03,239 This is Austin Signal, welcome back. 492 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,159 Around a hundred million years ago, 493 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,239 a small, possibly fuzzy baby 494 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,819 dinosaur, about two years old, 495 00:15:09,820 --> 00:15:12,459 died amid its harsh landscape. 496 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:14,579 Fast forward a few hundred years 497 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:16,159 or so, and that little dinosaur is 498 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,079 now the center of an exciting new 499 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,939 discovery in Korea involving 500 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:21,339 researchers from the University of 501 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:22,299 Texas at Austin. 502 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:24,419 It's called the Doolysaurus 503 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:26,599 and it's being held as a new species 504 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,529 of baby dinosaur. 505 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:29,989 Two of the researchers among those 506 00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:31,849 who made this discovery spoke with 507 00:15:31,850 --> 00:15:33,969 Texas Standard recently, Jongyun 508 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:35,849 Jung, a visiting postdoctoral 509 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:37,929 researcher at UT's Jackson School 510 00:15:37,930 --> 00:15:39,989 of Geosciences, and Julia 511 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:41,829 Clark, a professor at the Jackson 512 00:15:41,830 --> 00:15:43,669 School. They spoke with the 513 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:44,869 Texas Standard host, Angela 514 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:45,870 Kocherga. 515 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,419 So when did you realize you had 516 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:50,339 a new species and how did 517 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:51,979 you feel at that moment? 518 00:15:51,980 --> 00:15:53,439 Yeah, actually my research 519 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,799 background was the fossil footprint 520 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,819 and concept of their footprints 521 00:15:57,820 --> 00:15:59,159 and tracks. 522 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,819 But yeah, I'm always dreaming to 523 00:16:00,820 --> 00:16:02,799 finding new dinosaur species by 524 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,959 my hands. 525 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,039 So after we excavated these dinosaur 526 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,679 fossils and scanning this specimen, 527 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,239 we figured out very different 528 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,879 character with other dinosaur 529 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,299 species. 530 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,579 And yeah, this is the one 531 00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:17,639 of the very important moments in my 532 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:18,640 life. 533 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,939 I would, you know, I'm going to add 534 00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:23,279 to that, I'll just say that 535 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,279 figuring out whether you have a new 536 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,259 species, it might be 537 00:16:27,260 --> 00:16:29,479 interesting to know, is not 538 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,379 an easy process 539 00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:33,139 because you have to compare the 540 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:35,919 attributes of the new specimen, 541 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,939 the new skeleton, 542 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:40,039 to all other known 543 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,899 dinosaurs. And there 544 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:43,759 are different datasets that help you 545 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,059 do that, but it's like You 546 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:48,119 have to look at every bump on every 547 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,139 bone, at the characteristics of 548 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:52,279 every part of the skull 549 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,399 to make 550 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,899 sure that you don't have another 551 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:57,739 representative of 552 00:16:57,740 --> 00:16:59,880 a previously described species. 553 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,099 So when we finally had 554 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,358 that evidence and we could clearly 555 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,999 say that this was a new species. 556 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,719 Yeah, it was a very exciting moment. 557 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,779 I mean, given this is the first a 558 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:13,659 new dinosaur species 559 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:15,639 described from Korea in how many 560 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,389 years is it Jung-Yoon? 561 00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:19,179 After 15 years. 562 00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:19,969 In 15 years. 563 00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:22,629 Years. So it's pretty remarkable. 564 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:23,749 Well, I know much of the research 565 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:25,749 around this fossil was done 566 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:27,389 there at UT Austin. 567 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:28,969 Dr. Clark, can you share a bit about 568 00:17:28,970 --> 00:17:30,709 the role of the geosciences 569 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:32,669 department there and what 570 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:34,729 it did in undertaking this study? 571 00:17:35,969 --> 00:17:37,029 Yeah, it's 572 00:17:37,030 --> 00:17:39,029 It's been a really fun collaboration 573 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:41,009 and I'll go 574 00:17:41,010 --> 00:17:42,849 back a little bit further in time. 575 00:17:42,850 --> 00:17:44,749 I was visiting Korea to 576 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:46,629 give a seminar at 577 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:48,269 the home university of the Korean 578 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:50,609 Dinosaur Center and 579 00:17:50,610 --> 00:17:52,689 Jongyun and his colleagues 580 00:17:52,690 --> 00:17:54,589 showed me the fossil in 581 00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:56,049 the block and I was like, wow, 582 00:17:56,050 --> 00:17:57,989 that's very cool, but I can't tell 583 00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:59,649 what it is. 584 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:01,649 And I could see that this rock was 585 00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:03,609 really, really hard and 586 00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:05,609 the bones actually softer than the 587 00:18:05,610 --> 00:18:07,189 surrounding rock. 588 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:09,029 And so I was like, this 589 00:18:09,030 --> 00:18:11,189 is a great candidate for 590 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,989 CAT scanning or CT scanning, 591 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:15,969 using X-rays to see inside 592 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:16,989 the block. 593 00:18:16,990 --> 00:18:19,629 And so, I invited Dr. 594 00:18:19,630 --> 00:18:21,669 Jung and his colleagues to come to 595 00:18:21,670 --> 00:18:23,589 UT and we would CT 596 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:24,929 scan the fossil. 597 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:27,249 And I think that's where we had like 598 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:29,349 the totally crazy aha 599 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:30,530 moment where 600 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,039 you know, Dr. Jung and colleagues 601 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,179 were looking inside the block and 602 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:38,499 they're like, we have a skull. 603 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:39,640 And that was just very cool. 604 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:43,119 Dr. Clark, since, as 605 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,539 we mentioned, this is being hailed 606 00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:47,159 as a new species of baby dinosaur, 607 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,199 tell us about what this discovery 608 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,219 means to our evolving understanding 609 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:52,359 of the dinosaur world. 610 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:55,959 Yeah, it's very cool. 611 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,939 You have, essentially, 612 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,819 in the Korean Peninsula, a 613 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:01,819 chance to sample Far 614 00:19:01,820 --> 00:19:03,979 East Asian dinosaurs from 615 00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:05,939 this really key time interval, 616 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:08,879 which is this mid-Cretaceous 617 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,859 time. 618 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,399 And this is a time period where 619 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,759 there's a lot of exchange between 620 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,819 what we now, you know, Eurasia 621 00:19:15,820 --> 00:19:17,819 and North America. 622 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:19,859 And so what is really 623 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:21,949 neat about the new species is 624 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:23,909 it samples part 625 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:26,089 of a lineage that has 626 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:27,569 representatives both in North 627 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:29,329 America during this time period and 628 00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:31,209 Asia, but it fills in kind 629 00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:33,889 of another piece of that story. 630 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:35,689 It tells us more about the 631 00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:37,709 connections between those species on 632 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:40,189 these two, what are today, you know, 633 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:41,750 very distant continents. 634 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:44,989 Tell us what this dinosaur looks 635 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:46,969 like. You mentioned it's a baby, 636 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:48,149 but what some of the characteristics 637 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:49,150 are? 638 00:19:50,249 --> 00:19:52,369 Well, the first thing I'd 639 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:54,709 mention is that this 640 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,809 dinosaur would fit on your desk. 641 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:59,249 It's a desk-sized dinosaur. 642 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:01,269 You know, it's comfortably, 643 00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:03,409 you know, maybe the size of 644 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:05,469 a small dog or 645 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:07,329 a large cat, 646 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:08,249 you know. 647 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:09,649 So it's not a particularly large 648 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:11,409 animal. Of course, dinosaurs are not 649 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:13,489 closely related to mammals. 650 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:15,909 They are, you know, 651 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:16,969 birds are living dinosaurs. 652 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,239 Other parts of the group of 653 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,880 dinosaurs that this, that 654 00:20:21,881 --> 00:20:23,859 Doolysaurus is a part of, 655 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:24,860 were fuzzy. 656 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:27,539 And so we don't have fuzz preserved 657 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:29,459 in the actual fossil in 658 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:31,459 this case, but we know that 659 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:34,609 relatives of Dulis was fuzzy. 660 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:36,449 And Jung Yoon, what do you 661 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:38,549 hope to learn more about 662 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:40,439 when it comes to this dinosaur? 663 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,399 Actually, this site, we also 664 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,539 find many dinosaur egg fossils, 665 00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:46,879 including bird eggs also. 666 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,579 So we're expecting much more diverse 667 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,099 dinosaurs will live in this site. 668 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,959 And maybe we're also 669 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,879 we're expecting finding new 670 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,148 dinosaur fossils in this side. 671 00:20:57,149 --> 00:20:58,749 So, Dr. Jung, we're calling it 672 00:20:58,750 --> 00:21:00,469 Doolysaurus, but tell us about the 673 00:21:00,470 --> 00:21:01,119 species. 674 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,579 This species' name is Doolysaurus 675 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:05,499 hominae and is named 676 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:07,739 after Professor Minha from Korea 677 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:10,079 who excavated the first dinosaur 678 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,979 nest fossil in this site and 679 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:14,159 also worked 680 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,279 on various paleontological 681 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,159 projects of Korea over 30 682 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,160 years. 683 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:21,949 Yeah, to add to Dr. 684 00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:24,149 Jung's comments, the full 685 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:25,969 name of this dinosaur is 686 00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:28,009 Doolysaurus homini, 687 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:29,089 as he mentioned. 688 00:21:30,170 --> 00:21:32,229 And what it references, 689 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:34,629 what I'd like to call out as 690 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:36,449 a key contribution, 691 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:38,269 another key contribution of 692 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:40,169 Dr. Homin, 693 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:42,009 is working 694 00:21:42,010 --> 00:21:43,989 to preserve fossil sites 695 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,049 in Korea. 696 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:47,189 So, he's been very active 697 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:48,969 in... 698 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:50,989 The UNESCO mission to 699 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,989 preserve geoparks and those 700 00:21:52,990 --> 00:21:54,869 include a lot of the sites in 701 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,269 Korea with these amazing trackways 702 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:59,429 and egg fossils and 703 00:21:59,430 --> 00:22:01,489 it's just been really 704 00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:03,389 wonderful to see that effort to 705 00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:05,729 conserve paleontological sites. 706 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,809 Well, this is all so fascinating and 707 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:10,129 all so fun, and I'm a huge dinosaur 708 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:11,969 fan, like so many people, 709 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:13,589 so we really appreciate all of your 710 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:14,409 research. 711 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:15,649 We've been speaking with Julia 712 00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:17,929 Clark, a professor at UT Austin's 713 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:19,809 Jackson School of Geosciences, 714 00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:21,829 and Jongyun Jung, a post-doctoral 715 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:23,729 researcher at the school, about the 716 00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:25,649 discovery of the Doolysaurus, 717 00:22:25,650 --> 00:22:27,729 a brand new baby dinosaur 718 00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:28,789 species. 719 00:22:28,790 --> 00:22:30,689 Julia, Jongyun, thank you again for 720 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:32,130 joining us on The Texas Standard. 721 00:22:34,510 --> 00:22:35,849 Pleasure. 722 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:37,149 And you can have a peek at the 723 00:22:37,150 --> 00:22:38,549 Dualisaurus yourself. 724 00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:40,529 There's a link in the show notes for 725 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:42,609 today's podcast and at 726 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:44,969 kut.org slash 727 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:47,249 signal. That is it for today's 728 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:49,449 show. Rayna Sevilla is our technical 729 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:51,349 director, Kristen Cabrera is 730 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:53,249 our managing producer, and 731 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:54,809 I'm your host Jerry Quijano. 732 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:57,429 We will be back with you tomorrow. 733 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:58,430 Have a great day.