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TXDOT is pouring billions of dollars

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into I-35 through Central Austin,

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adding more lanes and eventually

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sinking parts of the highway up to

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60 feet below ground level,

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which makes it possible to build

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parks above the highways.

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But that comes with a hefty price

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tag. Find out why Austin City staff

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is urging elected officials to

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hold off on those plans.

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And a New York Times investigation

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is prompting new conversations about

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the legacy of labor leader Cesar

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Chavez across the country.

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Find out how that ultimately led to

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the decision to remove the mural

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here in Austin and how the community

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feels about it.

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The Austin Signal is a production

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of KUT News, hosted by

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Miles Bloxan.

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The Austin-based group D'Oreo

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is performing at Rock the Park

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tonight. Hear about their journey

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thus far and their plans for the

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future. That's all coming up

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right here on Austin Signal.

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Hello, Austin!

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It's Friday, March 27th.

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I'm Miles Bloxson, and this is

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The Austin Signal.

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Txot is pouring billions of dollars

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into I-35 through central

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Austin, adding more lanes

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and eventually sinking parts of the

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highway up to 60 feet below ground

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level. That open-air highway

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canyon will run from Holly Street

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to Airport Boulevard, creating a

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rare opportunity to build parks over

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the highway.

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But those parks don't come cheap.

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Austin has already committed more

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and a hundred million dollars.

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Towards the plan and at least half

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a billion more is needed to build

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them all out.

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But as KUT's Nathan Bernier reports,

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city staff are urging Austin's

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elected leaders to hold off

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warning the plan is too risky

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without private money to help pay

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for it.

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This is a splash pad.

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Kids are running around and playing

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on a hot summer day.

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A few steps away, a father and son

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are having a game of ping pong.

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Not far from them, a young man and

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woman are playing UNO on a blanket.

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A little picnic, playing a little

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card games, eat some lunch, you

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know.

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Beneath them all are ten lanes

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of highway traffic.

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This is Clyde Warren Park in

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Dallas. It sits on top of

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the Woodall Rogers Freeway.

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The park is only five acres,

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but it attracts more than 1.5

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million visitors a year.

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And when I visited Clyde-Warren Park

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on that hot day in 2024,

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I spoke to one of the guys who

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helped bring it to life, Dallas

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attorney Rob Walters.

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And he had some advice for Austin,

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which back then was early in the

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process of trying something similar

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over I-35.

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Everything you see on this park,

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everything we're sitting on, all of

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this was paid for out of the private

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sector.

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There are tremendous naming

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opportunities.

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They shouldn't have to pay a penny

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for what goes on top.

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If Austin doesn't do this, this will

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sound offensive, I don't mean to do

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it. It will be an utter, colossal

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failure of collective leadership.

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Last May, Austin's City

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Council agreed to pay more than $100

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million just for the support

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structures that would hold up

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concrete decks over sections

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of I-35.

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That's after TxDOT lowers the main

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lanes.

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The biggest of those so-called caps

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would effectively tunnel

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to 7th Street.

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Austin is not doing it

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the way Dallas did.

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I think this is a transformational

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park. It changes a city.

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This is an old promotional video.

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It's going to bring all of us

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together as a community,

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as a family.

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More than anything, it's going to

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give Dallasites something to be

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proud of.

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In Dallas, Clyde Warren Park started

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with the private sector,

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specifically wealthy people who

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wanted to help pay for it and

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have their names stamped on it.

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Like Chase Bank Promenade, or

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the Ginsburg Family East Lawn, or

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even Moody Plaza.

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By the way, it was not just Clyde

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that relied mostly on private

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funding. Same for the Rose Kennedy

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Greenway over I-93 in Boston

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and Southern Gateway, which is a

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second highway park being built in

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You're watching a meeting of the

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Austin City Council.

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In Austin, the city is leading

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the effort, and so far,

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no one from the private sector has

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stepped up with any money.

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different message to the city

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council than they were just a couple

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years ago.

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At this point, we just can't

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recommend that that we that

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you move forward with such a

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decision because that does create

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such a significant risk.

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That's Kim Oliveras.

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She's the City of Austin's Director

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of Financial Services.

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And city staff are now making this

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formal recommendation that Austin

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not spend any more public

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money on the caps beyond

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the $100 million already devoted to

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pay for those support structures.

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For those who were always skeptical

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of building parks over I-35,

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this feels like a moment of

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vindication.

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Crystal Lane represents Austin City

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Council District 6.

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When we as council committed $104

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million to the I-35 Roadway

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Elements last year, I,

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along with many of my colleagues,

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raised serious concerns about

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the projected cost estimates,

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also about the limited funding

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partners that we had at that time

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and that certainly I thought was

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realistic that we might secure by

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now.

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Those on the City Council who want

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to build 14 acres of parks over

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the highway are also frustrated.

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Ryan Alter represents Austin City

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Council District 5.

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It just feels like every time we

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have this conversation, we're

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expecting one of two things to

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happen. Either someone to drop off a

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$50 million check, which is never

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going to happen,

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or for the DAA to come to

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us and say, hey, we've put together

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all the downtown partners, and

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here's your $200 million you're

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looking for.

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The DAA is the Downtown Austin

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Alliance.

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We have to have an aggressive

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capital campaign if this is gonna be

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successful.

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to be in charge.

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Assistant City Manager Mike Rogers

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told council members that attracting

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that kind of private money does

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not happen overnight, and he spent

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three years in Dallas as

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a top city official.

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By the time somebody

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knocked on my door when I was

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in Dallas, you had funding

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stacks that had already been

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of conversations

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that have taken place, but

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they had the money before they

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came to the city, which is a little

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bit different than this situation.

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whether Austin's vision for parks

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over I-35 ever becomes

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a reality.

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But for now it appears a majority of

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the city council is ready to build

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those support structures and

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wait and see if more funding becomes

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available, either from a

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new administration in the White

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House after 2026,

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or from those with money who want

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to give it up and have a little

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piece of Austin named after them.

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I'm Nathan Bernier in Austin.

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For years, a mural of Cesar Chavez

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welcomed people into East Austin.

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Now that wall is blank.

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The mural was painted over this week

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following a New York Times

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investigation outlining multiple

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allegations of sexual assault

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against a labor leader.

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Joining us now to talk about the

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decision and reaction is Luz

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Great to have you here, Luz.

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Thanks for having me, Miles.

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For folks that are not familiar,

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where was the mural of Caesar Chavez

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located and how long was it actually

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Cesar Chavez going east,

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this mural was facing

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west of a building at the corner

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of Cesar chavez and Waller Street.

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the East Austin neighborhood, that's

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where that mural stood.

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César Chavez there, but it

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had been plagued with like

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vandalism and things over the years.

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came in, They asked

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to work with the community to

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restore it, and that happened in

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2023.

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Okay, and a New York Times

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investigation is prompting new

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conversations about the legacy of

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labor leader Cesar Chavez.

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This is across the country.

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How did that ultimately lead to the

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decision to remove the mural here in

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the co-owners of the building, Eric

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Barth, yesterday.

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bit about just having to make this

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really tough decision to kind of

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believe what we heard from the women

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who spoke up, but also kind

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of work with the community.

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revelations about Cesar Chavez,

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we felt like it was no longer

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something that we wanted associated

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with the business, and that was a

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discussion we had, again, with the

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community leaders and the

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neighborhood leaders.

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And when you think about the

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community, right, I know it's

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affecting a lot of people because

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they've seen this mural for like

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most of their lives, right?

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the

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the community, the Latino community

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has had such a really tough time

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trying to wrap their head around

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this news, you know, for a long time

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this man has been an

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icon and a voice for

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people who didn't have one.

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You know, I spoke

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with Bertha Urendo-Nortiz, she

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is the co-founder

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of this group, Arta Texas, and

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they're the ones who restored the

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mural.

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And she kind of talked a little bit

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about how Cesar Chavez had

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been part of who they

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identify with in East Austin.

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And she gave me this really

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emotional testimony that we'll hear

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here in a second, but I

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think that people

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are still grappling with how to

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respond to this.

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And we've seen a lot of movement

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over the last week or so in this.

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And here's a little bit about what

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she kind of showed with me

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yesterday.

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I've been there 46 years,

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going to be 47 years in August.

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We've always saw that mural.

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When you enter Cesar Chavez and

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enter the East Austin neighborhood,

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you would always see that mural to

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the left. You would see Cesar chavez

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face, you would see a field,

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you will see farm workers,

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and you would see the message Cesar

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Puede.

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Iconic wow 46

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years she said going on 47

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so a long time long

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Long, long time.

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She has been an activist

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for her community.

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She's run for city council.

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I mean, she is an organizer and she

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has a really good pulse on

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her community and what her

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neighborhood is feeling about this.

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Yeah, I'm from the east side of

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Austin, so of course I saw that

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mural growing up a lot.

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Any plans of what will actually be

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painted in its place?

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Yeah, you know, when I talked with

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Eric, he he talked a little bit

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about not, you know,

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even though they own the building,

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this wall isn't theirs, you know,

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that this wall belongs to the

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community. And so they're going to

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leave it blank until they can work

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with the neighbors and with city

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leaders to figure out what should go

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there. So I don't think we'll see

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anything there for a while, but

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it sounds like they are, they do

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want to do something and you know

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what that looks like is still to be

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determined.

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How does a business owner feel?

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I mean, to know, like that was a

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part, you know, when he started the

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business, that was the part of his

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business, essentially, right?

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Yeah, yeah, I think,

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you know, he seemed to know

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that this mural,

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this neighborhood has

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gone through a lot of change.

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And just because they bought the

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building, it doesn't mean that they,

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you can like own the side

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of the wall that welcomes

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neighbors and that has been there

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for so long.

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And so I think he's really kind of

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embraced the East

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Austin community and he wants

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them to be part of this decision.

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I think we're starting to see that

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all across the city as

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city leaders respond to this and

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we might see name changes to the

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street and we've seen celebrations

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canceled and I think that's all part

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of like how the community is

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responding.

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That was KET City Harbor.

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Reporter, Luz Moreno Lozano.

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Great talking with you.

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Thanks, Miles. Of course.

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We'll have links to that story at

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KUT.org slash Signal and

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in the podcast show notes.

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Coming up next, you'll hear from the

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group Dorio about their performance

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tonight at Rock the Park.

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This is Austin Signal.

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We will be right back.

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This is the Austin Signal, welcome

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back.

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Our sister station, KUTX, is back

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with a new season of the

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award-winning, good time for all

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happening, that is Rock the Park.

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This latest go-around kicks off

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tonight with Bananerman and is

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headlined by Dorio.

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This is Chad, Dorio

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Court, and Rachel Roscoe, who are

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joining us now in the studio.

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Welcome to the show, y'all.

421
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Hey. Hi.

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Thanks for having us.

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Of course.

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For our listeners who may not be

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familiar with y'all, who is Dorio

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and how long have y'al been making

427
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music together?

428
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So I guess we've been making music

429
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since 2019.

430
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And yeah, we're three albums in,

431
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I guess, right now.

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But yeah, the project compromises

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of me, Chad,

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and Rachel.

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Yeah, I'm Rachel and we're

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a musical duo based

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here in Austin and we make,

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I would say like,

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our music has pop and rock

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and a lot of different influences,

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but we produce

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everything ourselves so it's kind of

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just what we

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hope the inside of our brains to

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sound like coming through on D'Orio.

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What I need, I'll

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try my best

448
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I'd better

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I love that, so your album, Super

450
00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,279
Love 3, has been out for almost a

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00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,359
year, right?

452
00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,259
So what are y'all most proud of,

453
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looking back on the album and the

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tour that you were on last year?

455
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Yeah, it was our first time going

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to the West Coast and our first-time

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playing like LA and a bunch of

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cities out there.

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So it was really fun to bring the

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album out last

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summer. And I feel like

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it had a really warm reception in

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Austin too.

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We got to do a KUTX

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Studio 1A taping.

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That was fun to

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get those live recordings.

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And I feel like, so that was

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our third album.

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And I felt like it was,

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we kind of talked about it a lot

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where we'd been working with the

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same people up until

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this album. And we really felt like,

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just because of the relationships

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we've formed, like with friends

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and stuff that have helped us out,

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I feel that was kind of the

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culmination of the project

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and kind of like seeing all

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like the work and

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relationships that we kind

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of built upon leading up

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to that album.

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Yeah, I don't know, it felt really

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good to keep working with the same

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people and then see the project kind

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of keep snowballing.

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Speaking of recording new stuff,

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what do y'all have planned for this

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year?

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So, this might

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be the, I guess

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the announcement, but we do have a

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new album coming out this

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summer.

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We have some new music coming out

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the summer. Okay.

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Yeah. Yeah,

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but later in.

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Can you tell us anything?

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I'm laughing at Chad because he told

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me not to say that we had a new

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album, and then that was the first

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thing that he just said.

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We definitely have new music coming

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out this summer that

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we're really excited about, and we

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are going to play some new songs

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tonight at Rock the Park for

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the first time.

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So we've been practicing those

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and figuring them out in a live

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format, and we're really excited

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about that. Exactly, yeah.

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Debut in some new songs on

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Fresh.

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Yeah, at the

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park. I think it'll be the perfect

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place.

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You know what, I love this for

522
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y'all, that y'alre gonna be at

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Mueller and rock the park.

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But you know, that's all about the

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kids too, right? Like there'll be a

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lot of kids there. It is family

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friendly. And recently we got some,

528
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a little bit of criticism from the

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kiddos that we needed to be a little

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more fun on the radio and that we

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don't need to be so serious.

532
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You know, they tell us what's on

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their minds and we listen.

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So I need to ask you all, what

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is your first concert that you

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00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:50,779
remember from your childhood?

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You know, I grew

538
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up going to a lot of public

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arts events, like free

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concerts in San Antonio that my mom

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was really good at keeping up with.

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So that's why I'm really happy to

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play stuff like Rock the Park

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because I have really sweet memories

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00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:08,858
as a kid of just kind of rolling

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up at these big downtown

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events and kind of getting to

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00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,039
experience what performers are

549
00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,959
and all that stuff.

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But I

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don't really.

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We weren't like a super musical

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00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:23,368
family, so I don't have historically

554
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a first concert, but I

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know the first memorable

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Austin concert that I was taken

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to was in middle school.

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My friend's parents took us to

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see cake at Stubbs,

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and I didn't know

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anything about cake and I did

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know anything Stubbz.

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I learned that you're not allowed to

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bring umbrellas in, I remember it

565
00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:46,789
was raining. But I feel

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like that started

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off.

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This kind of obsessive journey of

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like seeing shows at Mohawk and

570
00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:56,439
going to fun, fun, fun fest and just

571
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,919
being obsessed with coming to Austin

572
00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,619
for concerts when I was in high

573
00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:01,499
school and stuff. So I, I

574
00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,519
do really, I remember that, that

575
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,329
cake show.

576
00:18:04,330 --> 00:18:06,410
That's a pretty epic, uh, for sure.

577
00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:09,309
What about for you, Chad?

578
00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:11,429
Um, why was a

579
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:12,229
former emo kid?

580
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:14,169
Well, I'm still like emo,

581
00:18:14,170 --> 00:18:15,789
but emotionally, but I guess on the

582
00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:17,729
music taste I have, um, well,

583
00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:18,909
I still like, but anyways, um it

584
00:18:18,910 --> 00:18:21,209
was, um taking back Sunday with

585
00:18:21,210 --> 00:18:23,269
my sister, um in

586
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:25,109
Dallas and she took,

587
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:26,809
it was our favorite band growing up

588
00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:28,249
and yeah, I don't know.

589
00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:29,449
It was cool.

590
00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:31,309
I grew up in a small town and I feel

591
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:32,310
like go into a concert.

592
00:18:33,290 --> 00:18:35,189
Arena concert with Taken Back Sunday

593
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:37,349
in Dallas, was just like,

594
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:38,350
well, this is cool.

595
00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:40,609
And yeah, I don't know.

596
00:18:40,610 --> 00:18:42,889
It was intimidating, but it was also

597
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:45,729
fun, I think, being around people

598
00:18:45,730 --> 00:18:47,589
that had similar music taste as

599
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:48,590
you.

600
00:18:49,450 --> 00:18:50,249
I don't know, I think I was just

601
00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:52,109
pretty insecure going there, but

602
00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:53,389
then when I got there, I was like,

603
00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:54,929
okay, cool, there's people like me

604
00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:56,449
that exist, even though I might

605
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:58,489
listen to this music that maybe my

606
00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:59,449
friends think I'm weird for

607
00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:00,450
listening to.

608
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,219
Important to go out to shows, I

609
00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,199
think, and find people that

610
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,079
are like you.

611
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,739
Find your tribe.

612
00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:10,619
What advice do you all have

613
00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:12,359
for up and coming artists out there?

614
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,939
I mean, I was a kid who was

615
00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:18,999
like in choir and

616
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,939
I was in orchestra at school, but

617
00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:22,939
I didn't, I think I was too shy

618
00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:25,059
to like make my own music

619
00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:26,959
and like I was writing songs,

620
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,879
but I wasn't ever like thinking

621
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,299
about recording them until I was,

622
00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:32,799
a lot later, like in my late

623
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,799
twenties. So I think kids should

624
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,719
just, if you want to make music,

625
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,539
just start doing it and

626
00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:40,419
don't be too

627
00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:42,239
like scared to share it

628
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,899
or just record it for yourself.

629
00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:45,739
And don't share it for a while

630
00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:48,119
and develop it that way.

631
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,659
But I think with everything

632
00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:52,859
you can do on your computer now,

633
00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:55,179
it's both nice,

634
00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:56,799
the accessibility, but it's also

635
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,879
overwhelming that anyone can

636
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,739
record stuff at any time.

637
00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:02,239
Yeah, and to go back on like being

638
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,279
scared to release something or even

639
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,559
scared to write music, I feel like

640
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,419
that feeling, I always

641
00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:09,239
think that feeling is going to go

642
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,619
away every album, every

643
00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:13,099
song we release, but it never goes

644
00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:13,939
away.

645
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:15,979
So I've just kind of learned to,

646
00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:16,999
you know, that feeling's always

647
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,119
going to be there. So might as well

648
00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,039
just embrace it in a way and

649
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,039
just, or maybe not embrace it.

650
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,939
But it's never going

651
00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:24,899
to go away.

652
00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:26,859
But it's just fun

653
00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:28,869
to make music for yourself and

654
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:30,749
maybe not worry about anything else,

655
00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:32,069
which is easier said than done.

656
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,199
Yeah.

657
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,320
I would also, this is kind of a

658
00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:37,159
different point, but I also think

659
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,139
there is never too much music

660
00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:40,079
in Austin.

661
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,819
Chad and I really were, he's from

662
00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:43,339
Bryan and I'm from San Antonio, and

663
00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:45,159
we really were drawn to Austin by

664
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,119
the music.

665
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,119
And I think even though it's

666
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,079
such a discussion now that like,

667
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,859
oh, Austin's not as creative

668
00:20:51,860 --> 00:20:53,759
anymore, there

669
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,819
is still like, I think the

670
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:57,339
music community, the community of

671
00:20:57,340 --> 00:20:58,659
people here that are interested in

672
00:20:58,660 --> 00:20:59,959
going to shows and checking out

673
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,899
smaller records is still

674
00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:03,020
pretty unbeatable.

675
00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:07,249
And I think staying in a

676
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:09,729
community for a long time is just

677
00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,629
a great way to

678
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:14,499
kind of meet like-minded people.

679
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,939
We've been chatting with Chad and

680
00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:17,159
Rachel from Dorio.

681
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,539
They're headlining Rock the Park

682
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:20,419
tonight at Gerard Kenny Park at

683
00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:22,319
Mueller. It's a free and

684
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,079
family friendly event that starts at

685
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,099
6 45, but our friend Jackie

686
00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,999
Fuller over at KUTX says it's

687
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,119
best to arrive around six o'clock.

688
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,339
If you want to nab your ideal spot,

689
00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:34,239
trust me, you don't want to miss it.

690
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,359
Thanks so much for being here,

691
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:35,789
y'all.

692
00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:36,790
Thank you for having us.

693
00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:52,129
Don't forget, if you miss an episode

694
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:53,889
of Austin Signal, you can catch up

695
00:21:53,890 --> 00:21:55,829
by listening to the podcast.

696
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:57,349
Stream it or download it.

697
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:58,809
Austin Signal is available on

698
00:21:58,810 --> 00:22:00,669
Spotify, Apple Podcast, or

699
00:22:00,670 --> 00:22:03,089
wherever you get your podcasts.

700
00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:05,129
Well, that's it for us right here on

701
00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:05,969
Austin Signal.

702
00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:07,809
It's been so much fun being

703
00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:09,889
your host these past couple of days

704
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:11,829
and giving our good old friend

705
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:13,689
Jerry Quijano a break, which is

706
00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:15,409
much needed. But don't worry, he

707
00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:17,189
will be back on Monday.

708
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:19,109
I wanna thank Luz Moreno-Lazano

709
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:20,849
for her reporting and joining us in

710
00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:22,689
the studio today, Nathan Bernier for

711
00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:24,789
his I-35 story and Dorio

712
00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:26,329
for chatting with us before their

713
00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:28,389
Rock the Park performance tonight.

714
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:29,709
A special thank you to Rayna

715
00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:31,609
Sevilla, our technical director, and

716
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:33,169
Kristen Cabrera, our managing

717
00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:33,949
producer.

718
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:35,729
And a special shout out to our

719
00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:37,469
showrunner, Jimmy Maas, who is doing

720
00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:38,929
a thousand things around here,

721
00:22:38,930 --> 00:22:40,969
including being our board op today

722
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:42,529
in the KUT Studio.

723
00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:44,709
I'm your host, Miles Bloxson.

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00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:46,229
This is Austin Signal.

725
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:48,589
I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

726
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:49,650
We'll talk to you on Monday.