1 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:10,609 Many Republican-led states like 2 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:12,449 Texas require police officers 3 00:00:12,450 --> 00:00:13,789 to cooperate with federal 4 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:15,149 immigration agents. 5 00:00:15,150 --> 00:00:16,909 That's left liberal cities like 6 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:18,849 Austin debating how to respond when 7 00:00:18,850 --> 00:00:20,369 they don't want to spend resources 8 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:22,389 on immigration enforcement. 9 00:00:22,390 --> 00:00:24,029 We've got more about that. 10 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:25,509 And ICE operations are deterring 11 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:26,909 immigrants from participating in 12 00:00:26,910 --> 00:00:28,729 routine parts of their lives. 13 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:30,429 Here in Austin, one clinic has seen 14 00:00:30,430 --> 00:00:32,529 its demand drop dramatically over 15 00:00:32,530 --> 00:00:33,609 recent weeks. 16 00:00:33,610 --> 00:00:35,589 We've more about both of those 17 00:00:35,590 --> 00:00:37,999 stories coming up on today's show. 18 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,879 The Austin Signal is a production 19 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,999 of KUT News, hosted by 20 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,099 Jerry Quijano. 21 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:45,019 Plus, South by Southwest wraps up 22 00:00:45,020 --> 00:00:46,439 tomorrow, but there's still time to 23 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,159 get in on the activities. 24 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:49,539 Today we're gonna tell you about a 25 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:51,139 documentary that follows the search 26 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:53,139 for an almost mythical Texas 27 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:54,239 musician. 28 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,379 Come hear that story and more 29 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:58,399 up next on Austin Signal. 30 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,099 Howdy out there, thank you for 31 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:10,999 tuning in to Austin Signal. 32 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,799 I'm your host, Jerry Kehannel. 33 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,039 It is Tuesday, March 17th, 34 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,959 sunny and 60 something 35 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:18,759 today here in Austin, Texas. 36 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,959 We're glad to be part of your day. 37 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,679 Let's jump into today's show. 38 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,399 In many Republican led states, 39 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,359 police officers are required to 40 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,779 cooperate with federal immigration 41 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,379 agents. And that leaves liberal 42 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:32,379 cities like Austin debating 43 00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:34,359 how to respond when they don't 44 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,339 wanna spend resources on immigration 45 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:37,849 enforcement. 46 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:39,669 KUT's Mo's Boo Show has the 47 00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:40,670 story. 48 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,019 City council members opened up 49 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:44,839 a recent public forum here with 50 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,339 a line they repeat often. 51 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:49,559 In Austin, undocumented immigrants 52 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,259 should be able to call the police 53 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,119 without fear of being 54 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,179 deported. 55 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:56,059 Here's Chito Vela, Austin Mayor 56 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:56,789 Pro Tem. 57 00:01:56,790 --> 00:01:58,829 We are committed and making 58 00:01:58,830 --> 00:02:00,849 sure that we are 59 00:02:00,850 --> 00:02:02,989 keeping our immigrant community as 60 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:05,209 safe as we possibly can. 61 00:02:05,210 --> 00:02:07,109 But in Texas, there are 62 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:09,109 few options when it comes to 63 00:02:09,110 --> 00:02:10,668 stopping police from reporting 64 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:11,829 people to ICE. 65 00:02:11,830 --> 00:02:13,709 In one recent case, a mother and 66 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:14,909 her young daughter were deported 67 00:02:14,910 --> 00:02:16,809 after the mom called local police 68 00:02:16,810 --> 00:02:18,709 to report a disturbance. 69 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:19,949 Stopping that kind of thing was what 70 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:21,569 this meeting with Austin Police 71 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:23,519 Chief Lisa Davis was about. 72 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,259 With that said, let me go ahead and 73 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:27,300 turn it over to Chief David. 74 00:02:29,050 --> 00:02:31,089 Thank you for being here, this is 75 00:02:31,090 --> 00:02:32,729 amazing to see this show out. 76 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:34,569 In Texas, state police 77 00:02:34,570 --> 00:02:36,429 are empowered to arrest suspected 78 00:02:36,430 --> 00:02:37,869 unauthorized immigrants. 79 00:02:37,870 --> 00:02:39,549 Many counties partner with ICE to 80 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:40,969 get grants and funding. 81 00:02:40,970 --> 00:02:41,869 Those agreements will become 82 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:43,569 mandatory for all counties by the 83 00:02:43,570 --> 00:02:45,069 end of the year. 84 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:47,209 And Davis said Texas cities 85 00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:49,109 cannot prevent local 86 00:02:49,110 --> 00:02:51,029 officers from calling ICE if they 87 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:51,799 see fit. 88 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,099 There is a rule of law that I have 89 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:54,839 to follow as the chief of police 90 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,199 here in the state of Texas. 91 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,079 But what we can do, what 92 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,339 we CAN do is... 93 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:01,919 It was a tense evening. 94 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:03,479 On one side, local officials 95 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,479 explaining that breaking state law 96 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,199 could lead to cuts to funding or 97 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,979 them getting removed from office. 98 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:10,659 On the other side, many in the 99 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:12,779 audience calling for resistance no 100 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:14,239 matter the cost. 101 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,819 Robert Salter is a criminal defense 102 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:17,659 lawyer who was one of the most 103 00:03:17,660 --> 00:03:18,849 vocal that night. 104 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:20,889 There is nothing that prevents this 105 00:03:20,890 --> 00:03:22,769 police chief, these city council 106 00:03:22,770 --> 00:03:23,039 members. 107 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,819 From refusing to cooperate with the 108 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:26,799 state. Heated public debates like 109 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,839 this have also erupted in 110 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,339 San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. 111 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:32,659 Democratic cities in Tennessee, 112 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:34,739 Georgia and Florida are also 113 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:36,919 seeing locals push back against 114 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,899 red state laws that mandate ICE 115 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:40,599 police partnerships. 116 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,899 Kristen Eder is director of the 117 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:43,639 Texas Immigration Law Council. 118 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,319 She says far more people are 119 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,119 detained in states that have these 120 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:47,979 policies. 121 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:48,739 It's not. 122 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:49,599 Visible. 123 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,499 It doesn't present the same way as 124 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:53,539 it does in Minneapolis or Chicago 125 00:03:53,540 --> 00:03:55,639 or Los Angeles. 126 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,579 And so most people, again, 127 00:03:57,580 --> 00:03:59,719 would have no idea that this 128 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,759 is happening every day 129 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,739 all around us in a 130 00:04:03,740 --> 00:04:05,239 very quiet way. 131 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,199 Quiet, that is. 132 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,639 Until people start shouting. 133 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,379 At that public meeting in Austin, 134 00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:14,199 police chief Lisa Davis announced 135 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,419 plans to change city policy. 136 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:18,739 Officers can still contact ICE, 137 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:20,239 but the new rules will give police 138 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,179 higher-ups a say in whether 139 00:04:22,180 --> 00:04:24,199 they can hold people until ICE 140 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,959 arrives to arrest them. 141 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,679 And I can tell you the priority is 142 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,439 not waiting for ICE to respond on a 143 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,499 civil detainer. 144 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,559 Officials think it's a way to 145 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,999 thread the needle between local 146 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,299 priorities and state law, 147 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,139 but after the event, immigrant 148 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:40,179 advocate Carmen Zubieta said it 149 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:41,699 won't help people who fear 150 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:43,739 deportation feel any better 151 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:45,489 about calling the police for help. 152 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:47,689 To gain their trust, 153 00:04:47,690 --> 00:04:49,609 you have to give it, 154 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:51,239 you must give it up. 155 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,119 To gain confidence, you have to 156 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,759 earn it. And nothing they're doing 157 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,779 is giving us confidence," 158 00:04:56,780 --> 00:04:57,780 she said. 159 00:05:04,190 --> 00:05:05,409 Well, the fear of seeking help in 160 00:05:05,410 --> 00:05:07,049 the immigrant community also extends 161 00:05:07,050 --> 00:05:08,709 to health benefits provided by 162 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:09,969 non-profits. 163 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:11,869 Workers at a local clinic, Casa 164 00:05:11,870 --> 00:05:13,489 Marianela, told Austin Current 165 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:15,469 reporter Sam Stark a line that 166 00:05:15,470 --> 00:05:17,509 once snaked past its entrance has 167 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:19,389 dwindled down to maybe one or two 168 00:05:19,390 --> 00:05:20,609 people a day. 169 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:22,049 For more about this, we've got Sam 170 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:23,049 here in the studio. Thanks for 171 00:05:23,050 --> 00:05:23,459 joining us. 172 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:24,539 Yeah, I thanks so much. 173 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:26,319 So can you tell us a little bit for 174 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,459 our listeners who may not be 175 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:29,379 familiar, what is gassa marianella? 176 00:05:29,380 --> 00:05:31,279 Yeah, so Casa Manila 177 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,279 is an organization that provides 178 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,199 shelters and supportive services 179 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,939 for refugees, political asylum 180 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:39,259 seekers, and immigrants. 181 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:40,859 And so around the country, we had 182 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:43,099 seen reports that immigrants have, 183 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:44,739 in some cases, been skipping getting 184 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:46,579 medical care out of fear of 185 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:47,679 immigration enforcement being 186 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,859 present. 187 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:50,639 So while we've not seen reports of 188 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,339 large scale federal immigration 189 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:54,439 enforcement in raids in 190 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,239 Austin, activists and officials have 191 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,839 said that ICE activity has, in 192 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,159 recent months, increased. 193 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,159 Um, and so I spoke with 194 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,979 Casa Marinella, uh, and they said 195 00:06:02,980 --> 00:06:04,879 that in the past year, since these 196 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,499 activities have ramped up, much 197 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,519 fewer people have come to get help 198 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,119 getting enrolled in the medical 199 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,079 assistance program or MAP, 200 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,719 uh that provides basic healthcare 201 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,419 coverage for low income residents 202 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:17,079 living in Travis County. 203 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,419 She said she's worried that people 204 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,519 are just going uninsured. 205 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,899 Um, I also spoke with Community 206 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:23,399 Care. That's a clinic that serves 207 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,959 people who are uninsure or 208 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,179 underinsured The deputy CEO 209 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:29,139 told me that while they do not track 210 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:31,099 immigration status, they have heard 211 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:33,079 from providers that some of 212 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,639 their clients are afraid and 213 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,939 limiting visits. 214 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:37,859 Still, she said despite that, that 215 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:39,559 the community care clinics are 216 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,949 seeing a steady demand. 217 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:42,249 Do we know what kind of numbers they 218 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:44,249 were seeing prior to these recent 219 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:45,129 ICE operations? 220 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:47,509 They didn't provide 221 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:48,729 any numbers. 222 00:06:48,730 --> 00:06:50,349 They did say that demand has been 223 00:06:50,350 --> 00:06:52,049 pretty steady, and they said that 224 00:06:52,050 --> 00:06:54,049 they have telehealth, 225 00:06:54,050 --> 00:06:55,349 which they've expanded in recent 226 00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:56,869 years after the COVID pandemic, 227 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:58,469 which has been helpful in situations 228 00:06:58,470 --> 00:06:59,259 like these. 229 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:00,759 Okay and in your reporting for the 230 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,739 current you do report 231 00:07:02,740 --> 00:07:04,359 that this is obviously happening 232 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,159 here in central Texas but it's not 233 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,719 just limited to here in Central 234 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Texas. 235 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,939 This is kind of happening all across 236 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:10,999 the country correct. 237 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,399 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 238 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,339 And I also spoke to some people 239 00:07:14,340 --> 00:07:16,799 that weren't in the medical space. 240 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,719 So, as Mo's mentioned in 241 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,119 his reporting, there was an incident 242 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,699 in January when the Austin Police 243 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:23,439 Department contacted ICE when 244 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,179 responding to a domestic disturbance 245 00:07:25,180 --> 00:07:27,119 in southwest Austin 246 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,059 that led to the arrest 247 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:31,279 and deportation of 248 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,439 a mother and her five-year-old 249 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,259 daughter. 250 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:35,479 So the Safe Alliance, which serve 251 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,859 survivors of abuse, domestic 252 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:39,069 violence, and sexual assault. 253 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:40,629 Worries that this incident will have 254 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:42,449 a chilling effect, the CEO told me 255 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:44,409 members of the community might say 256 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:45,889 that the mother and the child were 257 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:47,309 deported right after reporting 258 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:48,689 domestic violence. 259 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:49,729 If this happened when they were 260 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:51,049 trying to get help, why should I 261 00:07:51,050 --> 00:07:52,309 call the police? 262 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:54,309 You mentioned Casa Marianela and 263 00:07:54,310 --> 00:07:55,729 Community Care that's here in 264 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:57,589 Austin, and since 265 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:59,429 people are not going and using these 266 00:07:59,430 --> 00:08:00,929 resources, what do we know about 267 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:02,489 what they are doing instead? 268 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:04,889 So the worker 269 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:06,989 who I spoke to at Casa Marianella 270 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:08,589 said that she thinks that some are 271 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:10,649 just not going to see 272 00:08:10,650 --> 00:08:12,569 the doctor when they have like 273 00:08:12,570 --> 00:08:13,949 a cold come up or something. 274 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:15,749 They're just, you know, turning to 275 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:17,349 home remedies or traditional 276 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:18,350 remedies. 277 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,579 It's important to note though that 278 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:22,479 many immigrants have this fear 279 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,379 and clinics like these haven't 280 00:08:24,380 --> 00:08:26,499 yet been Targeted by 281 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,019 ice operations. Is that correct? 282 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:29,019 Yeah, that's right. 283 00:08:29,020 --> 00:08:30,579 When I spoke to community care, she 284 00:08:30,580 --> 00:08:32,199 said that they haven't been subject 285 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,178 to these targets yet. 286 00:08:34,179 --> 00:08:35,579 She said that, they do watch the 287 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:37,819 news and they would be silly to not 288 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:39,779 consider that as something 289 00:08:39,780 --> 00:08:42,189 that might happen in the future. 290 00:08:42,190 --> 00:08:44,269 Now, there is a sense of mistrust 291 00:08:44,270 --> 00:08:45,329 right now among the immigrant 292 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:46,709 community, and you've reported that 293 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:48,229 in some cases instead of calling 294 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:50,149 911, they are reaching out to 295 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:51,869 community organizations like the 296 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:53,069 Safe Alliance. What's going on 297 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:53,569 there? 298 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:55,409 Yeah, that's right. 299 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:57,249 So the Safe Alliance CEO said 300 00:08:57,250 --> 00:08:59,149 that because people are 301 00:08:59,150 --> 00:09:00,789 worried about contacting the police, 302 00:09:00,790 --> 00:09:02,369 especially with that example of the 303 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:04,709 mother and daughter being deported, 304 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:06,969 that they're going to other services 305 00:09:06,970 --> 00:09:09,209 that might be more trusted 306 00:09:09,210 --> 00:09:11,509 than the police at this time. 307 00:09:11,510 --> 00:09:13,969 I also talked to this 308 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:15,509 Immigration Legal Services 309 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:17,989 nonprofit, American Gateways. 310 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:19,509 They said that they've been seeing a 311 00:09:19,510 --> 00:09:21,479 massive surge demand for. 312 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,099 Um you know service requests but 313 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:24,879 also just requests for accurate 314 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,639 information uh they told me 315 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,079 permanent residents are canceling 316 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,559 travel plans some immigrants are 317 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:31,119 hesitating to apply for citizenship 318 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,719 and others are missing court 319 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,619 hearings uh she said that just 320 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:36,059 all this immigration enforcement has 321 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:37,999 caused a lot of confusion throughout 322 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:38,839 the community 323 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,379 So obviously, people in the 324 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:41,779 immigrant community are scared to 325 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:43,459 kind of go out of their comfort 326 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:45,259 zones. From all the organizations 327 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:46,639 that you spoke with, is there a 328 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,319 sense that people are considering 329 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,179 ways to reach out to some of 330 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:51,759 these communities, maybe to go into 331 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,659 them, or other ways to 332 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:55,179 maybe effectively contact these 333 00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:55,799 communities? 334 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,559 Yeah, I mean, especially in the case 335 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,259 of American Gateways, they said that 336 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:01,379 the demand is 337 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:03,239 outpacing what they can provide, but 338 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,279 they still are committed to helping 339 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,279 as many of these community members 340 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,339 as possible. 341 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:09,779 Is there anything that you're going 342 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:11,159 to continue reporting on for this 343 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:11,869 story? 344 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:13,669 Um, yeah, I'm definitely interested 345 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:15,529 to see if long term 346 00:10:15,530 --> 00:10:17,469 if this has impacted any 347 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:19,209 anybody with specific medical 348 00:10:19,210 --> 00:10:20,669 conditions that they just haven't 349 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:23,089 been able to go and get care for. 350 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,809 Okay, we have been speaking with Sam 351 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:26,989 Stark, a reporter at Austin Current. 352 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:28,849 They are KUT's collaborator on the 353 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:30,489 Austin Signal and a partner with KUT 354 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:32,329 newsroom in covering the city. 355 00:10:32,330 --> 00:10:33,709 We're gonna have a link to Sam's 356 00:10:33,710 --> 00:10:35,149 story in today's podcast, Show 357 00:10:35,150 --> 00:10:37,009 Notes, and you can always find more 358 00:10:37,010 --> 00:10:39,289 at kut.org slash 359 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:40,669 signal. Sam, thanks for being on the 360 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:41,670 show. Thanks so much, Jerry. 361 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:53,679 And thank you out there for spending 362 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,879 part of your Tuesday with Austin 363 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,119 Signal. We are 100% 364 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,479 community supported public radio 365 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,599 and a South by Southwest is 366 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,419 still going on for about a day 367 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:05,319 and a half longer. 368 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,279 We got an update from KUT's 369 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,299 Jimmy Maas and a conversation 370 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:11,679 about a mythical Texas musician 371 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,559 that's coming up after the 372 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:15,580 break. This is Austin Signal 373 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:32,609 Hi, this is Jimmy Maas, program 374 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:34,449 director with KUT News, and you're 375 00:11:34,450 --> 00:11:36,549 listening to The Austin Signal. 376 00:11:36,550 --> 00:11:38,489 The line of appearances by the 377 00:11:38,490 --> 00:11:39,889 rich and fabulous continued 378 00:11:39,890 --> 00:11:42,769 yesterday at South By Southwest. 379 00:11:42,770 --> 00:11:44,649 Los Lobos, 50 years 380 00:11:44,650 --> 00:11:46,549 in the business, closed out the 381 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:48,489 public radio day stage show. 382 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:50,769 A day after a documentary about them 383 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:52,729 premiered at South by. 384 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:54,389 Alexander Shipp, who you may know as 385 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:56,089 Storm in the recent X-Men movie 386 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:58,029 reboots, as well as Betty from 387 00:11:58,030 --> 00:11:59,679 Riverdale, Lily Reinhart. 388 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:00,879 They were on hand for the premiere 389 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,419 of their film, Forbidden Fruits. 390 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:05,039 The iHeart Podcast Awards were held 391 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,899 last night in the house that ACL 392 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:07,939 built. 393 00:12:07,940 --> 00:12:09,659 Saturday Night Live alum Eggo Wodham 394 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:11,519 hosted the show with presenters that 395 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,439 ranged from Will Ferrell to Jenny 396 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,939 Garth to... Gotta jump in real 397 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:16,580 quick, Jimmy. Did I win anything? 398 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:21,559 Well, this is a little awkward. 399 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:24,099 We were not entered in any category. 400 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:25,819 Not really that kind of podcast 401 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:27,219 award show. 402 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:29,379 Oh. Giggly Girls was the podcast 403 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:30,619 of the year. 404 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:32,559 And just like the Golden Globes, 405 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,419 public radio shows were once again 406 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:36,119 shut out of all categories. 407 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,299 However, Terry Gross, host of NPR's 408 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:40,599 Fresh Air, received the 2026 409 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,139 Audible Audio Pioneer Award, 410 00:12:43,140 --> 00:12:44,339 essentially a lifetime achievement 411 00:12:44,340 --> 00:12:45,340 award for her 412 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:48,619 podcast efforts. 413 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:50,099 Elsewhere, there were tons of panels 414 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:52,259 on the future of AI, music, 415 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:53,839 and even the future of influencer 416 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,979 branding. 417 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:56,839 At a panel on World Cup marketing, 418 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,379 an executive at American Airlines 419 00:12:58,380 --> 00:12:59,879 said her flight was canceled Monday 420 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,819 morning and that she had to get to 421 00:13:01,820 --> 00:13:03,159 Austin another way. 422 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,699 You'd think an airline exec would be 423 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:06,579 exempt from airport delays, but 424 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:08,459 as John Cornyn reminded us 425 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:10,699 yesterday, it's spring break. 426 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:11,700 It's South By. 427 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,259 I'm Jimmy Maas and you're listening 428 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:15,740 to the Austin City. 429 00:13:18,050 --> 00:13:20,129 There are some musicians we know on 430 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:22,289 a first-name basis, like Willie, 431 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:24,489 Waylon, Selena, Beyoncé. 432 00:13:24,490 --> 00:13:26,269 But as David Brown from the Texas 433 00:13:26,270 --> 00:13:27,889 Standard puts it, there are some 434 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,889 just as big who we know by 435 00:13:29,890 --> 00:13:31,449 last name as well. 436 00:13:31,450 --> 00:13:33,110 Like the name from Holtz. 437 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:37,629 Six o'clock silence of 438 00:13:37,630 --> 00:13:39,469 a new day, beginning 439 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,869 is heard in a small 440 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:42,950 Texas town. 441 00:13:44,140 --> 00:13:45,959 Now if you just got goosebumps, 442 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,159 I know who you are. 443 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,099 You probably grew up in Texas, or 444 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:52,759 you're a Texas musician yourself. 445 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,179 You may have shed a tear listening 446 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:57,039 to him sing his Texas Trilogy, 447 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,779 took a gasp of breath when he was 448 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:00,659 done, and you probably wondered 449 00:14:00,660 --> 00:14:02,579 how anyone could capture so much of 450 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:04,639 Texas in songs that could 451 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,599 speak in a voice that was at the 452 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,539 same time so astonishingly 453 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:10,019 universal. 454 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:11,939 You probably have a copy of 455 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:13,029 a Fromix album. 456 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:14,309 From here to there, his 457 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:16,049 collaboration with Dan McCrimmon in 458 00:14:16,050 --> 00:14:18,069 your record collection, a prized 459 00:14:18,070 --> 00:14:19,209 possession. 460 00:14:19,210 --> 00:14:21,429 Yeah, I see you out there. 461 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:22,929 Stephen Fromholst may have left us 462 00:14:22,930 --> 00:14:25,669 in 2014, but in Texas, 463 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:27,689 Fromholts lives on. 464 00:14:27,690 --> 00:14:29,409 His latest incarnation, a 465 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:30,909 documentary making its world 466 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:32,569 premiere at South by Southwest. 467 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:34,529 It's called The Man with the Big 468 00:14:34,530 --> 00:14:36,749 Hat, about a musical pioneer 469 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:38,569 that no musical label has 470 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:40,799 ever adequately captured. 471 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,499 It's the first film by Austin-based 472 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,459 director, Austin Sayre, who joins us 473 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:45,739 now. Austin, welcome to the Texas 474 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:46,759 Standard. 475 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,759 Thanks for having me. 476 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,799 Some directors avoid the 477 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,819 camera, but you start this 478 00:14:51,820 --> 00:14:53,719 film by telling us how you first 479 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,579 encountered Stephen Fromholz. 480 00:14:55,580 --> 00:14:56,919 Why did you feel that was so 481 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,939 important in terms of getting 482 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:00,679 folks into the documentary? 483 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,639 You know, I 484 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,279 didn't want to be in front of the 485 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,579 camera, but I felt it was 486 00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:08,759 necessary, especially with the 487 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,599 olive branch that Lyle kind 488 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,689 of gives me. 489 00:15:11,690 --> 00:15:13,329 Lyle Lovett actually reached out to 490 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,259 you about being in this film? 491 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:16,559 He did, he did. 492 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,399 I had started the project and 493 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,459 was making several posts online, 494 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:23,579 and Lyle reached out to me saying, 495 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:25,519 you know, if it's, I love to, 496 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,719 you know, repay what Frumholz 497 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,559 meant to me, if there's any 498 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,079 room for me left in the film, I'd 499 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,899 love to be a part 500 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,879 of the project, you know, If you see 501 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,159 a place for me. 502 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,039 And I was just, I was taking a 503 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,439 gas, you know, I'm like, Lyle, 504 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,999 reached out to me and he's asking to 505 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,639 be in this film about Frumholtz. 506 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,939 Yes, of course, we will make room 507 00:15:43,940 --> 00:15:45,269 for Lyle. 508 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:47,409 And I'm the man with the big 509 00:15:47,410 --> 00:15:49,729 hat his body in 510 00:16:07,250 --> 00:16:09,289 Yeah, I think it says 511 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:11,169 a lot though that he would reach 512 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:12,989 out to you and say hey you got room 513 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:14,789 for me because I want to know I want 514 00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:16,629 do this could could we talk 515 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:18,589 a little bit about what it was 516 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:20,349 about Steve from Holtz and his music 517 00:16:20,350 --> 00:16:22,229 that Left such an 518 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:23,829 indelible mark. 519 00:16:23,830 --> 00:16:25,189 Did you find him? 520 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:26,749 Did you discover him through his 521 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:27,750 music? 522 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:28,939 I did. 523 00:16:28,940 --> 00:16:30,779 I found Stephen's Fromix 524 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:32,659 album in an antique mall, you know, 525 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:34,979 and it was the record cover that 526 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:36,559 drew me in. It was all the things 527 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,399 that I love, just the 528 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,819 way that it was designed is just 529 00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:41,859 this lone mountain looking 530 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:43,599 man, you, know, looking off into the 531 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,099 distance, you know, I was drawn 532 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,019 immediately to it. 533 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:47,559 I had no idea what kind of album it 534 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,719 was. 535 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,459 Maybe it was a folk album, but that 536 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:52,499 was my initial introduction 537 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,339 to Stephen. 538 00:16:54,340 --> 00:16:55,719 If it weren't Willy covering I'd 539 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,879 have to be crazy and then Lyle. 540 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,779 Covering bears like I don't know if 541 00:16:59,780 --> 00:17:00,840 this movie would have been made 542 00:17:03,130 --> 00:17:05,129 But I'd have to be 543 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,309 crazy, plumb out 544 00:17:07,310 --> 00:17:09,328 of my mind To 545 00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:11,429 fall out of love 546 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:12,430 with you 547 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:17,029 And yet, we say 548 00:17:17,030 --> 00:17:18,949 this, and he was appearing on 549 00:17:18,950 --> 00:17:20,949 Austin City limits without having 550 00:17:20,950 --> 00:17:23,489 had a hit of his own, for example. 551 00:17:23,490 --> 00:17:25,529 And I'm wondering how it could be 552 00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:27,649 that someone who has had so much 553 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:30,029 of an impact on music, 554 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:31,929 how it can be that so few 555 00:17:31,930 --> 00:17:34,109 people beyond Texas really 556 00:17:34,110 --> 00:17:36,289 understand or know about him, 557 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:38,209 because he was hard to fit into a 558 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:39,069 category, wasn't he? 559 00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:41,029 I mean, he sort of seemed 560 00:17:41,030 --> 00:17:43,269 to be almost a transitional figure, 561 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:44,859 musically speaking. 562 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:46,919 Between folk and what the 563 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,199 outlaw country movement, I guess, 564 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,929 huh? 565 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:50,409 Yeah, I don't know, you know, 566 00:17:50,410 --> 00:17:52,249 because like he was the 567 00:17:52,250 --> 00:17:54,509 only artist in 568 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:56,329 ACL's history to perform on three 569 00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:57,529 of the first four seasons. 570 00:17:57,530 --> 00:17:58,429 Yeah. 571 00:17:58,430 --> 00:18:00,269 I don't t know why he 572 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:01,349 didn't catch on. 573 00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:02,749 You know, I didn't know how he 574 00:18:02,750 --> 00:18:04,569 seemed to fall through the cracks. 575 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:06,409 You know his first two records 576 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:08,249 on Capitol, like they're not 577 00:18:08,250 --> 00:18:09,969 the best representation of Steven's 578 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:11,669 music because he is an artist that 579 00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:13,489 should be experienced in 580 00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:15,449 person. So I don't think his records 581 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:17,369 really translated like fully 582 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:18,370 represented 583 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:21,759 Performing abilities, so I don't 584 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,279 I don't I really don't know why he 585 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,379 didn't catch on 586 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:26,239 Well, in a way his music 587 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,599 didn't fit into a 588 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,619 radio scene that was about 589 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:32,439 two and a half three minute long 590 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,359 hit records He told 591 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,339 stories in a sort of 592 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:37,679 a long form fashion. 593 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,709 Don't you think? 594 00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:40,769 Yeah, yeah, the Texas trilogy is 13 595 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:42,729 minutes long, you know, 596 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:44,129 so then the man with the big hat is 597 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:45,409 nearly seven minutes. 598 00:18:45,410 --> 00:18:47,449 So Stephen didn't write for radio. 599 00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:48,789 You know, Stephen wrote what he 600 00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:50,629 knew, what he experienced 601 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:52,729 and if it fit under three minutes, 602 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:55,229 great. But if not, then, you know, 603 00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:56,138 oh well. 604 00:18:56,139 --> 00:18:57,159 Yeah. 605 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,599 What was your mission with this 606 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,839 film? Because you knew going in 607 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,999 that he wasn't famous for 608 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:03,819 radio hits. 609 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:05,899 He wasn't a kind of public 610 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:07,719 figure. He's not a household name, 611 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,379 I suppose, unless you live in Texas 612 00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:11,779 and you love Texas music. 613 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:12,899 What were you hoping to do with 614 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,809 this? 615 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:15,849 The way he impacted me was so 616 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:17,769 profound. You know, I had never met 617 00:19:17,770 --> 00:19:19,909 Steve, I never saw him perform. 618 00:19:19,910 --> 00:19:21,809 He passed away as soon as I figured 619 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:23,549 out who he was. 620 00:19:23,550 --> 00:19:25,609 And just the way that, the way I 621 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:27,469 felt when I watched 622 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:29,349 the archival videos of him and 623 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:31,649 the way he carried himself on 624 00:19:31,650 --> 00:19:33,589 stage and just out on the river and 625 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:35,009 the that he impacted people's lives 626 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:36,889 and continues to do that. 627 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:38,169 If this feeling can come across the 628 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:39,989 way that he makes me feel and 629 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:41,289 the way that he changed my life 630 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:42,470 without ever knowing this guy. 631 00:19:43,490 --> 00:19:44,769 I know it's going to resonate in 632 00:19:44,770 --> 00:19:46,169 some way with everybody who sees it, 633 00:19:46,170 --> 00:19:48,209 because this is much more than 634 00:19:48,210 --> 00:19:50,709 a movie about music. 635 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:51,809 This is the way that he lived his 636 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:54,209 life. It was just so positive and 637 00:19:54,210 --> 00:19:56,449 so full of life and joy. 638 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:57,849 I have to get this out there. 639 00:19:57,850 --> 00:19:59,249 It will translate. 640 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:01,149 That was my goal was just to 641 00:20:01,150 --> 00:20:02,969 get more inside of Stephen's 642 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,049 head and share what 643 00:20:05,050 --> 00:20:07,199 brought me so much joy. 644 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,200 What was he chasing? 645 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:11,849 Just his freedom to do whatever he 646 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:12,649 wanted. 647 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:14,689 He came close to having big 648 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:16,849 record deals and being a more 649 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:18,329 household name. 650 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:21,409 But I think he just wanted to stay 651 00:20:21,410 --> 00:20:23,209 close to home. His family meant more 652 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:24,149 to him. 653 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:26,029 He loved Texas and he loved Austin 654 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:26,929 more than anything. 655 00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:28,329 So he wanted to repay that. 656 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:29,509 He just, he really just wanted it to 657 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:31,009 be a good dad. 658 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:34,609 You mentioned that he loved Austin, 659 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:36,669 how meaningful is it to premiere 660 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:39,569 this documentary at SXSW? 661 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:41,609 It's pretty surreal, you know, like 662 00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:42,949 I had never made a movie. 663 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:44,609 I had no intentions of making a 664 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:46,089 movie and it just kind of, it just 665 00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:47,409 kind of happened. 666 00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:48,949 It's a perfect homecoming for 667 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:51,229 Stephen and for the movie. 668 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:53,509 I hope people walk 669 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:55,449 away seeing this film, you know, 670 00:20:55,450 --> 00:20:57,129 moved the way that, that I have 671 00:20:57,130 --> 00:20:58,129 been. 672 00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:59,609 The way that he lived his life is 673 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:02,029 just so inspiring. 674 00:21:02,030 --> 00:21:03,589 And is the main reason why I made 675 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:04,909 this film. 676 00:21:04,910 --> 00:21:06,229 And you know when I asked his, his 677 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:08,489 daughters during their interview, 678 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:09,889 you know, what do you want people to 679 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:12,369 take away, walk away feeling and 680 00:21:12,370 --> 00:21:14,089 knowing from this film? 681 00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:15,669 And his daughters both were just 682 00:21:15,670 --> 00:21:17,009 like, that he loved his two 683 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:18,489 daughters more than anything in the 684 00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:19,649 world. 685 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:21,129 And so that was always kind of like 686 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:22,309 the number one thing that I wanted 687 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:24,149 to come across in this film. 688 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:26,189 Not the music, not the 689 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:27,829 could have been, should have beens, 690 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:30,309 but just the way that he is 691 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:32,149 so well loved by 692 00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:34,149 his daughters and 693 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:36,029 his Austin and Texas 694 00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:37,379 community. 695 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,259 Austin Serr is the director of 696 00:21:39,260 --> 00:21:40,619 the documentary, The Man with the 697 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:42,779 Big Hat, about Texas musician 698 00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:44,079 Stephen Fromholtz. 699 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,279 The film premiered at this year's 700 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,519 South by Southwest and we're going 701 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,569 to share more at TexasStandard.org. 702 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,359 Austin, thanks again for speaking 703 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:51,959 with us. 704 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,019 Thank you so much for having me. 705 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,020 You've been great. 706 00:21:57,020 --> 00:21:58,879 Come no better than those 707 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,919 who just don't Come 708 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,039 no-better-than-a-bear 709 00:22:05,710 --> 00:22:07,669 And we've got plenty more 710 00:22:07,670 --> 00:22:09,589 South by Southwest coverage at 711 00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:11,749 KUT.org, 712 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:13,729 KUTX.org and 713 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:15,629 on all of our social media 714 00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:17,509 channels and we've had lots of 715 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:19,369 South by stories recently here on 716 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:20,569 Austin Signal. 717 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:22,169 You can catch up on all those by 718 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,089 going to KUT 719 00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:26,989 dot org slash Signal. 720 00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:28,809 That is it for today's show. 721 00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:30,829 Thank you for making us part of your 722 00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:32,189 Tuesday afternoon. 723 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:34,069 Enjoy the weather before it gets 724 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:35,979 Little hotter and have a 725 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,879 great day. 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