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rural areas where there are often

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fewer licensed therapists and

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longer travel distances to mental

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health care.

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But hotlines like 9-8-8 give

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people access to the help they need.

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Find out why the support for that

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lifeline is stronger in some

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states than others.

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Plus Daniel Johnson was known for

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his art and music.

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When he died in 2019, he left behind

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a trove of his work, and some

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of that work is on public display

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as part of a new exhibit at Texas

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State University.

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More on that coming up.

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The Austin Signal is a production

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of KUT News, hosted by

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Miles Bloxen.

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This month marks 100 years of

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celebrating Black History Month, and

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one local organization is creating

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space to celebrate Black Austinites.

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Find out what they have planned this

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weekend. That's up next on Austin

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Hello, hope your day is going well.

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You're listening to the Austin

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Thank you for spending part of your

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Tuesday right here with us.

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I'm your host, Myles Bloxson.

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Well, we're more than a week away

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from the primary election day in

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Texas. That means there are just

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four more days left for you to cast

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an early ballot.

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And we've got everything you need to

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know before heading to the polls

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right at KUT.org.

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Mental health hotlines can be

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particularly valuable in rural areas

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where there may not be therapists

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or social workers close by.

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That includes 988, the

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National Suicide and Crisis

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Lifeline.

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It launched less than four years

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ago and has already responded to

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nearly 20 million contacts.

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But support for that lifeline is

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stronger in some states than others.

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For Harvest Public Media, Texas

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Standards, Michael Marks

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has that story.

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The 988 system was designed

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to give people in crisis an easy

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to remember number that's available

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24 hours a day.

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Every state has its own set of call

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centers with trained operators.

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And since the hotline started taking

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calls in 2022,

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demand has increased nationwide.

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We have been seeing a month over

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month increase in utilization of

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9-8-8.

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And so we are also working pretty

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hard to keep up.

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That's Monica Kerr's Chief

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Administrative Officer for

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HealthSource Integrated Solutions in

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Kansas, one of the state's 988

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call centers.

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She says the service is a necessity

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for rural Kansans.

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We know that in our rural and

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frontier counties in Kansas,

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folks might be traveling hours to

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get to their nearest mental health

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clinic.

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access services right away without

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that kind of distance barrier.

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Responding quickly is essential.

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A caller frustrated with a long wait

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time might hang up.

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Plus, if they spend two minutes on

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hold, the call is rerouted

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from a local facility to a

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national backup center.

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A backup operator may not be able to

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connect someone with local

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resources, says Lauren Moyer,

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chair of Missouri's 9-8-8 task

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force.

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If someone is really struggling

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with substance use and needs

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connected to a residential substance

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use bed in the moment,

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somebody from another state is not

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gonna have access to that

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information.

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When the 988 hotline launched,

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the federal government paid for it,

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but states were expected to pick up

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the tab eventually.

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That has not happened in Texas yet.

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Jennifer Battle is vice president of

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the Harris Center in Houston, which

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fields 988 calls.

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During a legislative hearing last

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year, she said the state's call

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centers get around 200,000 calls

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annually, and the state needs to

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step up and help fund the program.

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As impressive as these numbers are,

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that we're able to serve with the

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current federal funds, these

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funds only allow for us to be

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able to answer on average 84%

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of the 988 calls that originate

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in Texas.

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The federal 9-8-8 bill recommended

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that states pay for the program

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through fees on telecommunication

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products.

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That's how 9-1-1 is largely funded.

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Only it doesn't have done so,

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including Minnesota and Illinois.

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things a little differently,

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dedicating money from the state's

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general fund each year.

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Lauren Moyer, the Missouri State

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Task Force Chair, worries about

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sustainability.

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You know, general revenue support,

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it's its own line item, and that's

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not guaranteed long-term.

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Oklahoma doesn't have a recurring

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fee to support 9-8-8 either.

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Kevin Norwood, a Republican from

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the Tulsa area, there's little

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appetite in the state legislature

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for a new tax.

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Before I became a legislator,

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that idea was introduced and

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it gained no traction.

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Norwood is now sponsoring a bill

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that would create a trust fund for

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9-8-8, which would ensure the money

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is only used for the hotline.

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When I jumped into it, I was like,

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OK, we need to make it where

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it's not just a short-term fix,

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that it would be long-term.

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Term and sustainable.

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Texas has followed a similar path.

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Lawmakers there have been unable to

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pass the telecommunications fee

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through the legislature.

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In 2025, Texas established

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a trust fund, but the balance

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is currently zero.

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Jonathan Pertle studies 988 funding

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at the New York University School of

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Global Public Health.

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Those trust funds are

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a strategy, but if

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there's not funds in the trust

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fund, it's not going to have

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that much of an impact.

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It's a signal of effort, I suppose.

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Pirtle is near the end of a

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five-year study.

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He's analyzing the funding of 988

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systems in all 50 states.

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So far, he's found that those with

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long-term, dedicated funding for

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staff are generally more

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efficient.

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The big thing is people, right?

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The staffing, the people who work in

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these call centers is the main

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thing.

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He may have a new data point in the

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near future.

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Missouri's legislature is set to

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consider a 988 funding fee later

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this year.

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That was Texas Standard's Michael

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Media, a collaboration of

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public media newsrooms in the

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Midwest and Great Plains,

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including Texas Standard.

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There were lots of touchstones that

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raised the profile of Austin as a

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hub for the counterculture in Texas

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in the eighties and nineties.

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But certainly one of the most

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enduring is the art and music of

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Daniel Johnston, the musician and

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artist known for his bare bones, a

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lo-fi recording, as well as

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his striking visual art, his famous

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high, how are you frog that's down

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the street from us here at KUT.

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Johnston left behind many, many more

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recordings, drawings and other

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creations.

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Much of which were collected

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by his close friend and manager,

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Jeff Tartikoff.

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Now, some of that work will be on

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display for the public as part of a

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new exhibit at the Whitliff

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Collection at Texas State University

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in San Marcos.

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Tartickoff spoke about the

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collection with Texas Standards'

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David Brown and Whitliffe curator,

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Hector Saldana.

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Let's begin with you, Hector.

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The name of this exhibit, True Love,

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will find you in the end, which is

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obviously a reference to a

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wonderful song that

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Daniel Johnston wrote.

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But it goes on, the title of

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the exhibition, The Revealing

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Art of Daniel Johnstone.

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And I understand the idea for this

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has been in the works for what, a

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couple of years?

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the Jeff Tartikoff collection,

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which was amazing from

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the get-go.

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I mean, meeting Jeff, who's an

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expert and was a friend of

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Daniel's, but also because the

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materials allow a

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peek inside the mind of this artist

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that we love but

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don't always understand.

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I mean I think these materials let

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us understand more about

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the person, the human being.

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fascinated me.

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Jeff and I had talked about curating

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it, but then came the opportunity

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for myself to work with

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a young student,

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a photographer named Lucas Kraft,

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who was a fan.

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We curated these original

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drawings, writings,

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and photographs.

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Jeff, you knew Daniel Johnston,

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and certainly given how much of

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these materials you've preserved

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over the years, y'all must have been

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pretty close.

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Can you tell us more about how you

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came to know and work with Daniel?

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Sure. I first met Daniel Johnstone

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when I was in high school.

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Daniel in 1985,

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a month or two after his appearance

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on MTV's Cutting Edge program.

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Marcos, a year

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ago today,

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they probably would have put me

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in a home.

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But I threw all my

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belonging into

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a garbage bag,

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and out into the world

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that I've been grown.

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I was living with a musician named

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Bill Anderson who played in the band

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Poison 13 and

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Daniel was a big fan of theirs and

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he became good friends with Bill and

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he began coming over to the house

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that fall.

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So I got to know him that way.

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He'd come over and start flipping

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through my album collection,

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see my Beatles records and that

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was where we kind of first bonded.

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We should talk a little bit about

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something. A lot of people know

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these stories that are associated

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with Daniel Johnston but for the

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benefit of people who don't.

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There are these stories that go

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around maybe some of them apocryphal

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maybe you know if they're true.

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One of the stories was he was

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working at a nearby McDonald's not

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too far from where we are right now

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and he would tuck away

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cassette tapes of some of his

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recordings that he had made and

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uh... People would would find these

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uh... These albums uh...

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Effectively in their happy meals

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especially happy meals

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He did a little bit of that, mainly

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if it was an attractive young

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lady or anybody who looked

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like a

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musician.

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Hector, you were telling me

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something about how important it

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was that you

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didn't want in this exhibit for this

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to be a kind of psychoanalysis of

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Daniel Johnston. You wanted this to

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sort of reflect the

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integrity of the person.

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I think you said something to me

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that was really striking, that you

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hoped this would be the kind of

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exhibit that if Daniel Johnstone

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were around today, he'd be proud

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Well, yes, because I

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didn't want to play psychoanalyst.

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If you come at it from loving

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the music, misunderstanding the

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mystique, maybe feeling

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a certain thing about him because of

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his mental health issues,

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I thought the materials could help

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you, give you some insight

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if you walked into that space.

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When someone goes to see this

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exhibit, how do you lay it out?

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What do they see? What do the

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experience?

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You're gonna see, first of

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all, a very bold

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for a museum setting, at

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least for the Whitleth collection.

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We use this passionate purple for

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the walls.

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We have a beautiful

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Niles Fuller image,

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larger than life, huge.

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I wanted to present it the way we

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would do almost anybody

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and also try to

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show this artist in

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a sense at his peak,

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but maybe at his most vulnerable.

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Those who have been exposed, I'm

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always, Jeff, I am always struck by

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this, that people who are exposed

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to his music, they never stop

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there.

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They always want to dig more into

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it, and I'm curious, what do you

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think that's about?

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Well, first of all, there's just so

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much of it to be discovered.

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He was very, very active

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as far as his songwriting goes.

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He never stopped writing.

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No, and it's actually kind of

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unfortunate that in his last

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few years, the recording didn't

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keep pace with the songwriting.

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What do you think he made of his

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place in pop

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culture? Did he have a

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strong sense of that and how

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did he feel about it?

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I think he did.

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I think he

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was aware that he had

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reached most of his goals,

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probably all of his goals, except

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for ending up with the woman

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who married the undertaker.

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But professionally, he

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probably felt like he reached

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the top.

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I think he had

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given up on being as big as the

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Beatles and was happy just to be as

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big as The Butthole Surfers.

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Hahahaha

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I think, you know, again,

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going to whether he

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felt, I mean, obviously he felt he'd

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made it, but I think there was a

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cost to it.

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And some of the drawings even show

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that, you know, where this, this

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happy frog, you know, that

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we love so much and sort

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of captured by the media.

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Yeah, yeah. But you know one of them

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shows it all shackled.

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So you wonder, did it become an

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albatross around him?

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You know, did he wonder, you I

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mean this is the stuff I guess for

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researchers, you know, did it become

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something that he wanted to escape

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or embrace?

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I mean, I think the material showed

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that at times he was embracing that

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sort of image, and there were other

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times when there is a question

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of how much it

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might have caused him some pain.

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There's some lingering sadness

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because we don't really

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know if true love found him in the

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end. It did not in a conventional

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sense, but I think he felt the

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love from his fans.

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True love will

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find you in

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the end.

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That was Jeff Tartacoff

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and Hector Saldana speaking

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with Texas Standard's David Brown

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about a new collection of

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recordings, drawings, and other

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creations from Austin icon

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Daniel Johnson on display

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at the Whitliff Collections in San

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Marcos.

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We'll have an extended version of

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that conversation in today's

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podcast, Show Notes.

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More Austin Signal after this

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break.

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This is Austin Signal, welcome back.

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This February, we are celebrating

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100 years of Black History Month,

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and one local organization is

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creating space to celebrate black

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history right here in Austin.

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Third Spaces is hosting Celebrate

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Black ATX this Saturday,

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February 28th, shining a

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spotlight on the culture and

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00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,479
contributions of black Austinites.

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In the studio with me are the

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co-founders of Third Spaced and

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Celebrate black ATX, Brian

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Edwards and Jane Obey.

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Great to have you here.

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Yes, ma'am. Thank you for having us.

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Of course. Can you all tell us what

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Third Spaces is and how y'all got

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started?

477
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Absolutely.

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So Third Spaces is a

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community organization

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and we focus on

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curating and creating Third Spaced,

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which a Third Space is not home, not

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work, a third place that

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you can join, commune fellowship

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with your neighbors and your

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community around you.

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And we really like

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to center the Black lived

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experience here in Austin.

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And so we host community events.

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And festivals where people

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can come sing dance

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live and just be right

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here in the community in Austin

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And your website says the goal is to

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create spaces where people can feel

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heard, seen, and celebrated,

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especially in a time where people

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feel disconnected.

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Why are organizations like Third

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Space is critical to sustaining

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culture and community?

503
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Yeah, I think culture is

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the backbone of every city.

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It's the backbone of every community

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at the end of the day.

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And it also helps us flourish, helps

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us grow. It helps us kind of touch

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the next generation.

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So culture is so important to

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how we actually just commune with

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one another.

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And I think there's a lot of

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organizations who are doing great

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work, like Where You At, though, or

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Art is Cool, or Water Your Plants.

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There's just a few of the amazing

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organizations here in Austin who are

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are doing that work.

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It's a labor of love as well,

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so.

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It's definitely something that a lot

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of organizations are doing out of

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the passion for the community.

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I love that and y'all are clearly

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making a real impact in the

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community when it comes to community

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and connections.

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And this is like your fifth

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year of hosting Celebrate Black

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ATX and it's become a

532
00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:41,989
powerful community tradition.

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00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:44,069
So what was the early vision

534
00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:46,069
behind it and did y'al anticipate

535
00:16:46,070 --> 00:16:48,009
that this thing would grow into what

536
00:16:48,010 --> 00:16:49,409
it is today?

537
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Absolutely.

538
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The early vision was

539
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just me being a

540
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wife who likes to give her husband

541
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honey-to-do's.

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And I was like, honey, could you do

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this quick history tour since

544
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Javier Wallace of Black Austin Tours

545
00:17:02,660 --> 00:17:04,259
was not available at that time

546
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because he was getting his Ph.D.

547
00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,479
Shout out Black Austin Towers.

548
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And my husband Brian, he

549
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,399
loves history.

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00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,399
He's great at retaining loads

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00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,578
of information.

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00:17:13,579 --> 00:17:15,639
And at that we were with our church

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00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,979
and we were like, we would love to

554
00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:18,399
do this little history tour for the

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00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,720
church. And I was like, Brian, you

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00:17:19,721 --> 00:17:21,618
can do it. And so it was just

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00:17:21,619 --> 00:17:23,639
like 30 people from our church that

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00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,279
showed up and then year after year

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00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,098
after year we just kept growing

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00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:28,519
and adding more

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00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,339
community impact and output.

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And now here we are, we got grants

563
00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:36,399
from the city of Austin, we've

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00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,479
befriended people in the

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00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,319
neighborhood and people keep telling

566
00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,139
us we need this, we wanna see

567
00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:42,859
it and we appreciate what y'all are

568
00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:44,859
doing. So of course it fuels us to

569
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keep doing more.

570
00:17:46,189 --> 00:17:47,269
Absolutely, I think she hit it right

571
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:48,649
in the head. This was never

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something that we thought it would

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become.

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It's just kind of blossomed and

575
00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:53,589
grown out of something out of

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00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:55,539
passion for the community.

577
00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:57,299
Oh wow, I've been speaking to

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00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,239
co-founders of Third Spaces,

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00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,900
Brian Edwards and Jane Obey, about

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00:18:00,901 --> 00:18:03,139
their event, Celebrate Black ATX,

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00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:04,699
coming up this Saturday, February

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00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:05,699
28th.

583
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,099
Okay, so y'all have been doing it

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for five years.

585
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You have to tell me what your

586
00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:10,959
favorite memory is from this

587
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,369
particular event.

588
00:18:12,370 --> 00:18:14,189
I would say my favorite memory is

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00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:15,489
from the last year.

590
00:18:15,490 --> 00:18:17,489
Last year, it felt like a

591
00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:19,309
mini Coachella

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00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:21,649
in the heart of East Austin.

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And we had a line dance class

594
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:25,529
hosted by We Outside ATX, which is

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00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:27,109
the local black run club here in

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Austin. And it was just

597
00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:31,089
beautiful to see hundreds

598
00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:32,929
of people stepping in

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00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:34,549
rhythm, stepping and singing,

600
00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:36,369
turning around at the same time,

601
00:18:36,370 --> 00:18:38,569
whipping their bandanas in the air.

602
00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:41,099
And it just felt like home.

603
00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,039
Yeah, for me, it was also

604
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,899
last year, but I think being able

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00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:47,079
just to sit back and see

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four, at that time, four years of

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00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,059
just work and connections with

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00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:53,039
the community really come to

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00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,979
fruition. I think, being able to see

610
00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:56,159
the joy that we put on people's

611
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,979
faces, that's really why

612
00:18:57,980 --> 00:18:58,859
we do it.

613
00:18:58,860 --> 00:19:00,779
It's not really out there to

614
00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:02,079
make money or do anything else.

615
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,359
It's really just to get people a

616
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,099
space, right? So they can feel at

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00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:06,819
home and they can call home, right.

618
00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:08,819
And so. Just being able to see that

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00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:10,679
firsthand last year especially when

620
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,839
it was probably our biggest

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00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,239
iteration yet to that point.

622
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,839
So it was just a blessing to see.

623
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,559
And what can people expect this year

624
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,400
from attending Celebrate Black ATS?

625
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,619
Yeah, similar to last year,

626
00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:23,079
we used to have a walking tour,

627
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,279
historic walking tour of East Austin

628
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,619
early in the morning that starts at

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11 a.m.

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00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:28,139
And our black party starts at 1

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00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:29,999
p.m., we'll have the HT Jazz

632
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,169
Collective there again.

633
00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,209
Oh wow legendary

634
00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:36,609
led and taught by Professor

635
00:19:36,610 --> 00:19:37,949
William Oliver, H.T.

636
00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:39,869
Shout out to him and his team

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00:19:39,870 --> 00:19:41,729
and his collective there.

638
00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:44,629
We'll have DJs, jazzy,

639
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:46,529
and also male vibes

640
00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:48,309
there, performing from two to six as

641
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:49,489
well. And we'll have also that line

642
00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:50,889
dance class again coming back at

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00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:52,809
three o'clock. That'll be led by

644
00:19:52,810 --> 00:19:54,189
Step It Up Austin this year.

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00:19:54,190 --> 00:19:55,989
And most importantly, we're gonna

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00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:57,929
have great food provided by

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00:19:57,930 --> 00:20:00,229
the historic Victory East.

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00:20:00,230 --> 00:20:01,769
They're doing a cookout menu for us

649
00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:03,649
and a crawfish boil this

650
00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:05,749
year. And so I don't know about you,

651
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:07,389
but for me, what gets me showing up

652
00:20:07,390 --> 00:20:09,329
to events is the menu and

653
00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:11,649
the food, so we're really excited.

654
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:13,229
And Radio Rosewood across the

655
00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:15,149
street, they're doing special coffee

656
00:20:15,150 --> 00:20:17,169
menu for use and 10% of proceeds

657
00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:18,489
will be going to the East Austin

658
00:20:18,490 --> 00:20:20,209
Creative Coalition, which is what

659
00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:21,829
Kenny Durham's backyard is under.

660
00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:24,979
Also, I would name also that we

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00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:26,759
do have some awesome artists who are

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00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,559
doing exhibits there, Jacob Guzman,

663
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,499
The Prophet, Asia Lana Vegas,

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00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,959
just those three amazing artists

665
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,559
that are going to show up and

666
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,719
exhibit their art.

667
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,819
We're really excited just to give

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00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:38,619
them that space to just pour what

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00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:40,079
they've actually created into the

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00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,459
community and let it come to

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00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:42,179
fruition in light.

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00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:43,739
And a marketplace.

673
00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:45,199
We're going to have black owned

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00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,279
businesses selling their

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00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,759
products and services.

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00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,059
And that was also one of my favorite

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00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:51,879
parts last year and everyone almost

678
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,819
sold out. And so to be able to put

679
00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,139
money back into the pockets of local

680
00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:58,179
black Austinites is incredible.

681
00:20:58,180 --> 00:20:59,180
Come support and shop.

682
00:21:00,020 --> 00:21:01,159
That's what it's all about.

683
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,559
Sounds like an amazing event.

684
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,739
And you guys have planned for this

685
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,159
Saturday. For those who are

686
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,299
listening, who wants to get

687
00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:07,939
involved, how can they support Third

688
00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:10,439
Spaces and celebrate Black ATX?

689
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,079
And where's the best place to learn

690
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,629
more?

691
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:14,249
Ooh, you can support, we're always

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00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:15,729
looking for volunteers.

693
00:21:15,730 --> 00:21:17,349
If you wanna sign up, we have it on

694
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:19,509
our website or our GivePulse,

695
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:21,729
but also just come out and show up,

696
00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,609
all right, and just enjoy the space.

697
00:21:23,610 --> 00:21:24,749
It's gonna be a family-friendly

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00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:26,549
event. All ages are welcome, all

699
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:27,469
ages will have fun.

700
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:28,829
There'll be a kids activation there

701
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:30,529
for your little ones, so bring them

702
00:21:30,530 --> 00:21:31,569
too.

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00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:33,489
You can follow us on Instagram at

704
00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:35,149
spaces underscore wecreate.

705
00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:36,749
You can find us online at

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00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:39,299
celebratespaces.com and.

707
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:40,579
Keep on the lookout for any other

708
00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:42,119
the the the cool collaborations of

709
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:43,379
partners we will announce this week

710
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,219
too. So

711
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,479
I've been speaking with Brian

712
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,019
Edwards and Jane Obey about their

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00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:49,599
upcoming event, Celebrate Black ATX,

714
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,119
a Celebration of Black Culture here

715
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,019
in Austin.

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00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:53,539
To find out more information about

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00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:55,219
the event or ways to support the

718
00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:57,179
organization Third Spaces, visit

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00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:59,379
celebratespaces.com.

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00:21:59,380 --> 00:22:00,839
Thanks so much for joining me today,

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00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,479
Jane and Brian.

722
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,689
Thank you for having us, bro.

723
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:03,789
Happy to be here.

724
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:04,790
And have a good history month.

725
00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:09,649
I cannot believe it's been 100

726
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:11,389
years. Happy Black History Month.

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00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:13,309
We only have a few days left in the

728
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:14,169
month for that.

729
00:22:14,170 --> 00:22:15,709
And that's it for today on Austin

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00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:17,689
Signal. I hope you enjoyed the

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00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:19,269
show. We'll have more about the

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00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:21,109
stories we shared with you today in

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00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:23,209
the podcast show notes page.

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00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:25,209
And you can find more from us

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00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:27,029
at kut.org slash

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00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:27,949
signal.

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00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:29,669
Casey Cheek is our technical

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00:22:29,670 --> 00:22:31,709
director today and Jerry Kehano is

739
00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:33,369
wearing a different hat and he is

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the show's producer.

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I'm your host, Myles Bloxson

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00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:38,809
And I'll be back with you tomorrow

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00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:40,669
on the Austin Signal, so I

744
00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:42,649
hope you have a good rest of your

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00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:43,930
day. Talk to you then.