1 00:00:08,670 --> 00:00:10,389 An Arctic cold front is approaching 2 00:00:10,390 --> 00:00:12,629 Austin and central Texas, 3 00:00:12,630 --> 00:00:13,869 and the National Weather Service has 4 00:00:13,870 --> 00:00:15,769 already issued an extreme cold watch 5 00:00:15,770 --> 00:00:17,589 in a winter storm warning for 6 00:00:17,590 --> 00:00:18,729 the weekend. 7 00:00:18,730 --> 00:00:19,869 We're going to have more about the 8 00:00:19,870 --> 00:00:21,849 latest forecasts and the ways that 9 00:00:21,850 --> 00:00:23,349 you can be prepared ahead of the 10 00:00:23,350 --> 00:00:24,149 storm. 11 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:25,269 And Immigrations and Custom 12 00:00:25,270 --> 00:00:26,409 Enforcement operations have 13 00:00:26,410 --> 00:00:28,329 continued in central Texas. 14 00:00:28,330 --> 00:00:29,869 KUT News obtained a video of one 15 00:00:29,870 --> 00:00:31,489 such incident in Kyle. 16 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:33,329 And as these operations increase, so 17 00:00:33,330 --> 00:00:35,129 does the concern for public safety. 18 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:36,729 Amid reports of slack hiring 19 00:00:36,730 --> 00:00:38,349 practices and training regulations 20 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:39,829 for ICE officers. 21 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:41,109 We've got more about those stories 22 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:43,009 coming up in today's show. 23 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:44,909 The Austin Signal is a production 24 00:00:44,910 --> 00:00:46,989 of KUT News, hosted by 25 00:00:46,990 --> 00:00:48,209 Jerry Quijano. 26 00:00:48,210 --> 00:00:50,329 Plus here in Austin, today is 27 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:52,209 Hi How Are You Day, how 28 00:00:52,210 --> 00:00:53,389 you can celebrate. 29 00:00:53,390 --> 00:00:55,429 We hope you're doing good out there. 30 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:57,030 This is Austin Signal. 31 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,299 Howdy out there, this is Austin 32 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:12,259 Signal. Thank you for tuning in. 33 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:15,479 It is Thursday, January 22nd. 34 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,899 We appreciate you making 35 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:18,799 community-powered public radio part 36 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,679 of your day. 37 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,699 We've got a lot going on today 38 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:23,219 in Austin. It's been a busy week 39 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:24,959 here. And of course, we are keeping 40 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:26,859 our eyes on everything and 41 00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:28,559 the weather that is slated to 42 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,659 overtake us. 43 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:31,879 In about 48 hours 44 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,879 or so, KUT's 45 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,739 newscast editor, Trey Shaar has 46 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:37,399 been following the forecast. 47 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,399 And he is joining us now on Austin 48 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,899 Signal. Trey, thanks for coming in. 49 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:42,199 Yeah, thanks, for having me. 50 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,139 So we know there's a lot of 51 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:45,799 anxiety that builds up in the days 52 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,799 ahead of a winter storm here in 53 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,759 Austin and across central Texas, 54 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,939 and the forecasts are always 55 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:52,039 changing. What are the latest 56 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,759 forecasts saying about the weather 57 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,829 that we've got coming? 58 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:56,649 Yeah, there's some 59 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:58,729 trauma left over from events we've 60 00:01:58,730 --> 00:02:00,529 had in recent years, and that's 61 00:02:00,530 --> 00:02:01,429 understandable. 62 00:02:01,430 --> 00:02:03,049 The latest is that we've gone from a 63 00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:04,969 winter storm watch to a winterstorm 64 00:02:04,970 --> 00:02:05,749 warning. 65 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,009 And you know how watches and 66 00:02:07,010 --> 00:02:07,349 warnings go. 67 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:08,869 I do, but can you just remind us for 68 00:02:08,870 --> 00:02:09,379 the listener? 69 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:11,139 Yeah, when, uh, when there's a watch 70 00:02:11,140 --> 00:02:12,799 that means the ingredients are there 71 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,679 for something to happen and when it 72 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,399 becomes a warning, that's when the 73 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,739 national weather service is certain 74 00:02:18,740 --> 00:02:20,239 that this is going to happen. 75 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,699 Okay. In this case, a winter storm 76 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:23,639 warning that's, uh 77 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:25,719 frozen precipitation, basically 78 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,839 it's a forecast to 79 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,159 fall over a wide area of Texas. 80 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,999 And depending on how far North you 81 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,899 are, we'll determine what kind 82 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:35,579 of winter precipitation that is. 83 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:37,479 And here 84 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,709 in Austin... 85 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:40,509 We're kind of on the edge. 86 00:02:40,510 --> 00:02:42,409 And the good news is, when I say 87 00:02:42,410 --> 00:02:43,489 there's a winter storm warning, 88 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:44,919 you're thinking, OK, this is bad. 89 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:46,539 Yeah, hunkered down is what I think, 90 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:46,909 yeah. 91 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:48,449 It could be, but the forecast 92 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:50,269 actually is better today 93 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:51,829 than it was yesterday. 94 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:53,609 And, uh, that was better than two 95 00:02:53,610 --> 00:02:54,808 days ago. 96 00:02:54,809 --> 00:02:56,929 So what I mean by that is 97 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:59,829 the weather service now expects the 98 00:02:59,830 --> 00:03:01,469 temperature to go below freezing in 99 00:03:01,470 --> 00:03:04,189 Austin, not until Saturday night, 100 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:05,169 around eight or nine o'clock. 101 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:05,589 Okay. 102 00:03:05,590 --> 00:03:07,629 And it's only when that happens that 103 00:03:07,630 --> 00:03:09,989 all the rain that's falling can 104 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:11,789 freeze on contact and become 105 00:03:11,790 --> 00:03:12,829 freezing rain. 106 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:14,149 So that means there's a shorter 107 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,889 window of time during which we're 108 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:16,989 going to get freezing rain. 109 00:03:16,990 --> 00:03:18,729 And that's looking like eight, nine 110 00:03:18,730 --> 00:03:20,489 o'clock Saturday night until early 111 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:22,349 Sunday morning. And that also 112 00:03:22,350 --> 00:03:25,049 going to have some sleet mixed in. 113 00:03:25,050 --> 00:03:26,709 So that's, you know, don't let your 114 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:27,589 guard down. 115 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:29,129 That's not insignificant. 116 00:03:29,130 --> 00:03:30,549 But it's not as bad as they were 117 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:31,569 thinking it might be a couple of 118 00:03:31,570 --> 00:03:31,929 days. 119 00:03:31,930 --> 00:03:33,369 And you mentioned trauma, a lot of 120 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:34,929 people have trauma from the 2021 121 00:03:34,930 --> 00:03:36,909 storm to 2023 storm. 122 00:03:36,910 --> 00:03:38,789 You dealt personally with tree 123 00:03:38,790 --> 00:03:40,110 limbs coming down in your yard, I 124 00:03:40,111 --> 00:03:41,789 guess that was a 2023 storm. 125 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:43,749 Yeah. So you know personally, that 126 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:45,449 is really what we're keeping our 127 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:46,369 eyes on, right? This ice 128 00:03:46,370 --> 00:03:47,289 accumulation. 129 00:03:47,290 --> 00:03:49,169 Yeah, that's arguably the worst kind 130 00:03:49,170 --> 00:03:50,769 of winter precipitation because it 131 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:52,569 can weigh down tree limbs and power 132 00:03:52,570 --> 00:03:54,929 lines and cause power outages. 133 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:55,969 And, uh, you know, everybody remembers 134 00:03:55,970 --> 00:03:57,829 2021 because it was so 135 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:59,729 widespread, but 2023 136 00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:01,729 was more localized here in Austin, 137 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:03,369 but people were without power for, 138 00:04:03,370 --> 00:04:04,629 you know, days and days. 139 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:05,429 It was bad. 140 00:04:05,430 --> 00:04:07,269 Yeah, and you can, if you've been 141 00:04:07,270 --> 00:04:09,229 to your local HEB or your local 142 00:04:09,230 --> 00:04:11,049 superstore lately, you have seen 143 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:12,709 the impacts already there. 144 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:15,649 So you mentioned that the 145 00:04:15,650 --> 00:04:17,528 impacts here in Austin have been 146 00:04:17,529 --> 00:04:18,509 pushed back. 147 00:04:18,510 --> 00:04:19,409 Originally, we were expecting maybe 148 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:20,809 early Saturday morning, now maybe 149 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:22,069 later Saturday night. 150 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:23,249 Does that mean we're going to be, 151 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:25,269 the storm effects are 152 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:26,549 likely going to last into Monday 153 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:27,429 morning. 154 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:28,989 Well, the precipitation is expected 155 00:04:28,990 --> 00:04:30,889 to end for our area pretty early 156 00:04:30,890 --> 00:04:32,769 on Sunday, but the coldest 157 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:34,629 temperatures of this, 158 00:04:34,630 --> 00:04:36,509 well, cold 159 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:38,289 front, in addition to the winter 160 00:04:38,290 --> 00:04:40,189 storm, the coldest temperatures 161 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:41,509 are not going to happen until Monday 162 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:42,969 morning, and that's when we're going 163 00:04:42,970 --> 00:04:43,749 to be in the teens. 164 00:04:43,750 --> 00:04:45,169 And that actually has improved also, 165 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:46,949 because just yesterday we were 166 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:48,149 looking at lows in the teens in 167 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:49,729 Austin for three mornings in a row, 168 00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:51,089 and now it's just Monday morning. 169 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:52,809 Okay, well, we have about a minute 170 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:53,869 left. 171 00:04:53,870 --> 00:04:55,189 What have we heard from local 172 00:04:55,190 --> 00:04:56,309 officials, government officials 173 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:57,989 about the preparedness ahead of this 174 00:04:57,990 --> 00:04:58,599 storm? 175 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,219 Well, TxDOT has been pre-treating 176 00:05:00,220 --> 00:05:01,959 roads, and that may be a problem 177 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,359 because now we're expecting heavy 178 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,239 rain tomorrow, and that could wash 179 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,119 off the pre-Treatment, so I'd expect 180 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,879 them to revisit that. 181 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,079 ERCOT says this is not 2021. 182 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,919 They say they've got more 183 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,219 capacity, they're better prepared, 184 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:18,559 so they're not concerned. 185 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,519 However, were they concerned 186 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,919 before 2021? 187 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,920 I don't know. 188 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:26,949 And the city and county are... 189 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:28,469 Like the mayor and the county judge 190 00:05:28,470 --> 00:05:30,329 are gonna go in front of 191 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:31,709 reporters tomorrow morning and off 192 00:05:31,710 --> 00:05:33,329 of the latest there I expect they're 193 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:35,109 gonna say they're ready for this as 194 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:36,249 the head of Austin Energy did 195 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:37,889 earlier this week. 196 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:39,779 He said they're already preparing. 197 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:41,339 Alright, well, we will continue to 198 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:42,999 bring you the latest updates from 199 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,599 the city officials tomorrow on 200 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,419 Austin Signal. 201 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:47,479 We have a bunch of ways for 202 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,599 you to be prepared ahead of 203 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,939 the storm moving in over at 204 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:53,219 KUT.org. 205 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:55,059 And of course, KUT's newscast 206 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:56,339 editor, Trey Shaar, will be 207 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:57,759 following it just like the rest of 208 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,679 us. And maybe we'll have him back on 209 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,859 the show. Trey, thank you for coming 210 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:01,980 in. We appreciate the update. 211 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:10,489 Central Texas cities continue 212 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:11,949 confirming immigration and customs 213 00:06:11,950 --> 00:06:13,429 enforcement operations, the latest 214 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:14,869 being the city of Elgin on its 215 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:16,029 Facebook page. 216 00:06:16,030 --> 00:06:17,929 Yesterday KUT News shared on social 217 00:06:17,930 --> 00:06:19,889 media an interview and video of 218 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:21,889 a woman who saw first-hand operation 219 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:23,829 in Kyle while she was waiting in the 220 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:25,769 drive-thru line to get some coffee. 221 00:06:25,770 --> 00:06:27,709 As these operations increase, so 222 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:29,129 does the concern for public safety 223 00:06:29,130 --> 00:06:31,089 as reports of slack hiring practices 224 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:33,069 and low training regulations for 225 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:35,389 ICE officers continue to surface, 226 00:06:35,390 --> 00:06:36,909 sometimes in the forms of viral 227 00:06:36,910 --> 00:06:38,649 social media videos. 228 00:06:38,650 --> 00:06:40,069 For more insight, we're talking with 229 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:41,529 Alain Stephens, who wrote about this 230 00:06:41,530 --> 00:06:42,469 for The Intercept. 231 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:43,809 He's an investigative reporter 232 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:45,349 covering gun violence, arms 233 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:47,009 trafficking, and federal law 234 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:48,129 enforcement. Alain, thank you for 235 00:06:48,130 --> 00:06:49,309 being on the show. 236 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:50,749 Thanks for having me. So can you 237 00:06:50,750 --> 00:06:52,329 first just tell us a little bit, 238 00:06:52,330 --> 00:06:54,009 we're gonna talk about the training 239 00:06:54,010 --> 00:06:54,889 that is required. 240 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:55,829 Can you tell us little bit about 241 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:57,929 your background with law enforcement 242 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:59,019 training? 243 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:00,379 Yeah, absolutely. 244 00:07:00,380 --> 00:07:02,279 So, you know, I'm coming in 245 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:03,519 a little bit hot on this one. 246 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,299 I'm coming a little big, not only as 247 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:07,819 just like a journalist, but like, 248 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:09,679 because I was a police officer, I 249 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,779 was a Police Officer from Texas. 250 00:07:11,780 --> 00:07:14,019 And I'm very well aware 251 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:16,099 of the municipal law enforcement 252 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:17,659 training pipeline, the state law 253 00:07:17,660 --> 00:07:19,279 enforcement training, pipeline, and 254 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,919 the typical federal law enforcement 255 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,399 training pipeline. 256 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,219 And so but I'm 257 00:07:24,220 --> 00:07:26,259 here to just kind of tell you from a 258 00:07:26,260 --> 00:07:27,260 perspective. 259 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:29,909 So we're just going to separate the 260 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:31,029 philosophy of what they're doing 261 00:07:31,030 --> 00:07:32,789 from a tactical perspective. 262 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:34,649 This is a disaster. 263 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:35,589 And when you're in the police 264 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:37,389 academy, one of the things they hone 265 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:39,029 in is an officer safety. 266 00:07:39,030 --> 00:07:40,769 You do a little bit of CCP, you do a 267 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:42,629 bit of law, but 268 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:44,369 the majority of what you're doing is 269 00:07:44,370 --> 00:07:46,289 how to walk. 270 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:48,269 How to not drop your gun, 271 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:50,129 how to not slip on your ass when you 272 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:51,849 have body armor, right? 273 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:53,569 How to, you know, not lock yourself 274 00:07:53,570 --> 00:07:54,989 out of the car, how to control, 275 00:07:54,990 --> 00:07:57,569 right, a real time environment 276 00:07:57,570 --> 00:07:59,449 and keep people in custody 277 00:07:59,450 --> 00:08:01,019 and keep people safe. 278 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:03,779 Well I mentioned earlier that these 279 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:05,959 viral videos of ice encounters, 280 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,759 some critics of ice have found them 281 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,039 comical, you use the phrase 282 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,379 dystopian cringe, 283 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,159 but in the article you say that 284 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,659 these videos show something that's 285 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:16,119 more worrisome, it sounds like 286 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,339 that's what you were kind of about 287 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:19,139 to get into right now. 288 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:21,139 I mean, the first thing is it's 289 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:23,539 inherently, and I just cannot 290 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:25,359 overemphasize enough, 291 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,059 it's dangerous. 292 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:28,579 It's just straight up dangerous, 293 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:29,359 right? 294 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,259 Some of the stuff that you're 295 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:31,279 seeing, like when you're in the 296 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,459 police academy, just keep it real, 297 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:34,399 there's a saying, how many guns are 298 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,319 on the scene at any given time 299 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,619 when you show up? 300 00:08:37,620 --> 00:08:39,158 At least one, your own. 301 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:40,839 So I'm over here watching federal 302 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,199 agents, right? 303 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,779 And they're dropping guns. 304 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:46,579 They're waving guns around. 305 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:47,959 There's incidents of crossfire. 306 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,779 U.S. Marshal got injured, right. 307 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:50,979 And so when you're looking at some 308 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:52,919 of these situations, like 309 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,099 the shooting of Goode 310 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:57,799 in Minnesota and stuff like that. 311 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,299 I'm here to just tell you that like 312 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,399 what people are seeing is an 313 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,519 absolute training failure. 314 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,199 It's people putting themselves in 315 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,099 situations where they have 316 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:07,239 to shoot themselves out of. 317 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,059 And I'm even going to put it 318 00:09:08,060 --> 00:09:09,119 further. And I want people to start 319 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,199 looking at this when you're trained. 320 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,799 You're not only trained to hit the 321 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,859 target. You're trained to know what 322 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:16,199 lies beyond that. 323 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,059 And so I'm going to 324 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:19,219 sound pretty brutal here. 325 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:21,079 But if that was Osama 326 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,339 bin Laden in the car, who 327 00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:24,579 was behind the car? 328 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:26,899 Agents? 329 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:27,900 Civilians? 330 00:09:28,449 --> 00:09:31,629 Children, and he's throwing rounds. 331 00:09:31,630 --> 00:09:32,809 So I'm even going to back up here 332 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:33,749 and just kind of give you some 333 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:35,249 examples of how the training 334 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:37,169 pipeline, we'll do a little fun 335 00:09:37,170 --> 00:09:38,969 math here. Go ahead. 336 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:40,929 So even in this state that we're in, 337 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:42,789 the average police academy time 338 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:44,629 in Texas is about 40 339 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:45,789 weeks. 340 00:09:45,790 --> 00:09:47,749 Austin PD is 32 weeks around 341 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:49,749 there. Texas state troopers is 30 342 00:09:49,750 --> 00:09:50,769 weeks in resident. 343 00:09:50,770 --> 00:09:51,770 You got to there. 344 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,469 ATF, the Waco guys who, 345 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:56,129 you know, typically kind of get 346 00:09:56,130 --> 00:09:57,529 booted on for not having the 347 00:09:57,530 --> 00:09:59,569 greatest tactics, right, 27 348 00:09:59,570 --> 00:10:01,709 weeks. And when you look at this, 349 00:10:01,710 --> 00:10:03,189 you know, the six week pipeline 350 00:10:03,190 --> 00:10:04,489 compared to ICE, like we could put 351 00:10:04,490 --> 00:10:06,329 it in numbers, they're 83% 352 00:10:06,330 --> 00:10:07,509 less trained than your average 353 00:10:07,510 --> 00:10:08,510 police officer. 354 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:11,589 79% less training than the average 355 00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:12,769 Austin police officer. 356 00:10:12,770 --> 00:10:13,929 When you see an ICE agent running 357 00:10:13,930 --> 00:10:15,289 around with all this gear, all this 358 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:17,209 body armor, there's 77% 359 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:18,489 less train than a Texas state 360 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:19,309 trooper. 361 00:10:19,310 --> 00:10:20,649 Like we could put some math on it, 362 00:10:20,650 --> 00:10:22,229 right? And it shows. 363 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:23,629 It's almost like in the military, 364 00:10:23,630 --> 00:10:25,569 there's certain stuff you 365 00:10:25,570 --> 00:10:26,989 don't want to cheat on. 366 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:29,629 You don't wanna cheat on the 367 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:31,329 fighter pilot tests. 368 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:32,249 Because why? 369 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:33,429 Because if you get up in the air and 370 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:34,909 you don't know what you're doing, 371 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:36,749 you're gonna crash a billion dollar 372 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:38,049 plane and create an international 373 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:38,779 incident. 374 00:10:38,780 --> 00:10:41,079 You talked a little bit about the 375 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,179 amount of money that has been 376 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:43,939 budgeted for immigration and customs 377 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:44,979 enforcement. 378 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:46,919 So how do you think we ended up 379 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,659 in this situation that we are seeing 380 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:50,499 play out across so many cities 381 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:51,500 in the nation? 382 00:10:52,270 --> 00:10:54,649 Well, quite frankly, 383 00:10:54,650 --> 00:10:56,589 I mean, and I'm just going to 384 00:10:56,590 --> 00:10:58,529 say this for any sort of 385 00:10:58,530 --> 00:11:00,649 massive hiring situation 386 00:11:00,650 --> 00:11:02,709 when it comes to law enforcement. 387 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:04,749 And this is what's quite concerning. 388 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:06,509 Any police department will tell you 389 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:08,349 this training is a 390 00:11:08,350 --> 00:11:09,649 long pipeline. 391 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:11,889 It is a incredibly long pipeline, 392 00:11:11,890 --> 00:11:13,729 all the stuff that I also said, once 393 00:11:13,730 --> 00:11:14,729 you get out of the academy, you go 394 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:16,969 into field training with a 395 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:18,809 essentially a one-on-one 396 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:20,089 field training officer who's going 397 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:21,529 to monitor you for another six 398 00:11:21,530 --> 00:11:23,169 months before they let you really 399 00:11:23,170 --> 00:11:25,869 start operating independently. 400 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:27,749 And so when you start 401 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:30,229 seeing these rushes 402 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:32,269 of throwing money and 403 00:11:32,270 --> 00:11:34,189 bodies at people under a 404 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:36,109 promise of a very 405 00:11:36,110 --> 00:11:38,049 short timeline, There's 406 00:11:38,050 --> 00:11:40,049 just no way you can deploy 407 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:42,229 those people out there with adequate 408 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:43,469 knowledge of the criminal courtroom 409 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:44,989 procedures, adequate knowledge is 410 00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:46,969 the law, and especially adequate 411 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:49,329 knowledge of literally 412 00:11:49,330 --> 00:11:51,309 safety tactics, literally 413 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:52,929 how you carry yourself. 414 00:11:52,930 --> 00:11:54,889 And a lot of the stuff is just 415 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:56,829 basic, you would be smoked in in 416 00:11:56,830 --> 00:11:58,669 a typical police academy, they would 417 00:11:58,670 --> 00:11:59,669 not let this fly. 418 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:02,289 Nevertheless, have you out here with 419 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:04,289 rifle resistant plate carriers, 420 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:06,149 and all your tactical doodads and 421 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:07,789 which you do not even know how to 422 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:09,309 operate, homie. 423 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:10,709 Let's just keep it real. 424 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:12,229 Like even in the basic police 425 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:13,169 academy. 426 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:14,849 Like you still have to do additional 427 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:16,769 advanced rifle courses to even 428 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:18,469 operate all of these tools. 429 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:20,389 And so It's 430 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:22,229 just kind of sad because what 431 00:12:22,230 --> 00:12:23,709 they're doing is quantity over 432 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:24,710 quality. 433 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:27,189 And here's the thing that I'm super 434 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:29,109 afraid of is that 435 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:30,349 right now, I'm just going to put 436 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:31,789 this out here. The situations that 437 00:12:31,790 --> 00:12:33,589 ICE is confronting with, thank God, 438 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:36,499 the American public has 439 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:38,379 been essentially docile 440 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:40,419 in this because when 441 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:41,559 you started looking at law 442 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:42,939 enforcement encounters, which is 443 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:44,799 what I also do a lot of work 444 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,859 on historical ones and stuff like 445 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:48,699 that, you know, if 446 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:51,159 they do come across a suspect that, 447 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,039 that is you got two suspects with 448 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,899 the weapon, it's almost always a 449 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:56,299 law enforcement encounter where law 450 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:57,439 enforcement injury is going to 451 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,099 occur, like historically. 452 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:00,619 And so like, we're not even talking 453 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:02,279 about hard law enforcement tactics. 454 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,399 It's really literally like they 455 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,979 cannot control the streets that 456 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:06,219 they're on. 457 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:07,639 And so I'm really kind of raising 458 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,679 the alarm and just saying, 459 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,939 listen, this is 460 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:14,039 sliding sideways into 461 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,379 stuff. That's going to be a lot 462 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:17,459 worse because an 463 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:19,759 untrained agent is a dangerous 464 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,199 agent, period. 465 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,719 An unconfident agent is dangerous 466 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,819 agent period. 467 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:26,959 I know this is going to sound wild, 468 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,239 but if you're ice agent, listening 469 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,109 to this, I'm 470 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:32,269 here as someone who's 471 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:33,849 former law enforcement and been 472 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:34,989 through the training pipeline and 473 00:13:34,990 --> 00:13:36,829 talking to other federal agents 474 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:38,989 who are currently in there, 475 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:41,188 including within HSI. 476 00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:43,689 And I'm here to tell you, 477 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:44,809 they're making, they are putting you 478 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:46,969 in danger as an agent. 479 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:48,309 Okay, Alan, we only have a minute 480 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:49,149 left. 481 00:13:49,150 --> 00:13:51,169 You talk in the article about the 482 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:52,969 public credibility that law 483 00:13:52,970 --> 00:13:54,809 enforcement has been working to gain 484 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:56,789 over so many years and how that 485 00:13:56,790 --> 00:13:58,209 is sort of being eroded by what we 486 00:13:58,210 --> 00:13:59,489 are seeing play out through 487 00:13:59,490 --> 00:14:01,109 immigration and customs enforcement 488 00:14:01,110 --> 00:14:02,849 situations. 489 00:14:02,850 --> 00:14:04,729 Do you expect that to change since 490 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:06,669 now there is sort of credibility 491 00:14:06,670 --> 00:14:08,429 being lost among local law 492 00:14:08,430 --> 00:14:10,509 enforcement when it comes to ICE? 493 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:12,289 I mean, we're seeing it in real 494 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:13,309 time. 495 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:15,149 Um, I actually think that 496 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:16,649 it's a little bit more of a complex 497 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:18,669 situation because you 498 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:20,089 know, historically, yeah, like one 499 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:21,969 of the things is that, you know even 500 00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:23,469 if you look at entertainment shows 501 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:24,789 like Brooklyn Nine-Nine and stuff 502 00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:26,169 like that have had to contend with 503 00:14:26,170 --> 00:14:27,829 the fact that the public does not 504 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:29,749 see law enforcement even 505 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:32,209 broadly as credible as it once was. 506 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:33,569 And so law enforcement's response 507 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:35,409 has been to kind of do a whole 508 00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:36,729 bunch of things from even hiring 509 00:14:36,730 --> 00:14:38,629 their own PR firms to try to do 510 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:40,549 more community action, et 511 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:42,449 cetera, et I think when I say it's 512 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:43,609 a little bit more complex in this 513 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:45,669 situation is because if 514 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:46,670 local police 515 00:14:47,740 --> 00:14:49,219 you know, it always ends up kind of 516 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:50,339 the buck always ends up kind of 517 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,659 stopping with them no matter what. 518 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:54,199 If you know in some of the police 519 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,579 departments in the few police 520 00:14:55,580 --> 00:14:56,979 departments across America that 521 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:58,799 said, listen, we're not going to 522 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,679 have this, you know untrained guys 523 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,639 on the street creating more public 524 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,499 safety chaos that's antithetical 525 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:06,099 to public safety. 526 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:08,039 I actually can see a little bit 527 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,099 of boost in that. 528 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:10,739 But for the local law enforcement 529 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:12,659 who, you know, 530 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:14,479 bend or stay silent 531 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,319 on this This is gonna 532 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,179 create more credibility problems. 533 00:15:19,180 --> 00:15:21,219 And so people don't see 534 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:22,899 ICE agent running around. 535 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:24,459 They see police. 536 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:25,519 That's what ICE puts on. 537 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,099 They say ICE police on their patch. 538 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:29,359 And people are just gonna shortcut 539 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,319 that. So I'm almost 540 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,819 saying for other officers and stuff 541 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:34,799 like that, for people who 542 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,219 are in public safety training, 543 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:38,399 for the guys who are actually 544 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,359 wearing the ICE badge right 545 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,420 now and are in this car, 546 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,509 these guys are robbing you, man. 547 00:15:44,510 --> 00:15:45,669 They're ripping you off and they're 548 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:46,670 putting you in danger. 549 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,339 All right, we have been speaking 550 00:15:48,340 --> 00:15:49,339 with Alain Stephens. 551 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:50,559 He is an investigative reporter at 552 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,639 The Intercept. We're gonna have a 553 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,439 link to his reporting in our show 554 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,539 notes and at kut.org slash 555 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:56,999 signal. Alain, thanks for coming on 556 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:57,959 the show. 557 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:58,960 Thanks for having me. 558 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:05,039 And thank you out there for making 559 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,059 Austin Signal part of your 560 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:09,159 day. We have more coming up after 561 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,339 this break. And don't forget, you 562 00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:12,179 can find more in our show 563 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,619 notes and at kut.org 564 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:16,959 slash signal. 565 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:33,519 This is Austin Signal. 566 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:34,739 Thanks for being here. 567 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:36,639 We wanna talk a little music on 568 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,639 today's show and to help us 569 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,679 do just that, we are joined by 570 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,779 Miley Carballo from our sister 571 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:44,199 station, KUTX. 572 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:44,729 Howdy Miley. 573 00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:45,710 Well, hey, Jerry, how's 574 00:16:45,711 --> 00:16:46,669 I think this is your first 575 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:48,729 appearance in 2026. 576 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:49,679 Oh my stars! 577 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,819 Happy new year and there's 578 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:53,799 not just a regular old Thursday, 579 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,669 right? What is today? 580 00:16:54,670 --> 00:16:55,609 It is not. 581 00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:57,909 Today is Daniel Johnson's birthday. 582 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:59,789 He would have been 65, but it's 583 00:16:59,790 --> 00:17:01,559 also the Hi-Ho Are You Day. 584 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,619 Yeah, yeah, so what is high? 585 00:17:03,620 --> 00:17:05,259 How are you day in case someone out 586 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:05,909 there isn't familiar? 587 00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:07,889 Yeah, so if you're familiar 588 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:09,709 with, you know, 589 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:11,549 Daniel Johnston, he was an 590 00:17:11,550 --> 00:17:13,989 outsider artist of many means, 591 00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:16,249 but most famous probably for his 592 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:18,689 Hi How Are You Frog mural. 593 00:17:18,690 --> 00:17:20,169 Yeah, just down the street from us 594 00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:20,479 over here. 595 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,959 Right down the street. 596 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,578 Super cool. Right now it's just a 597 00:17:23,579 --> 00:17:24,480 standing wall, unfortunately. 598 00:17:24,481 --> 00:17:26,509 I think it's even cooler that 599 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:28,229 way for some reason just that one 600 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:29,269 wall in the middle. 601 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:30,179 I really like that 602 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:31,959 I mean, it does show how important 603 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,019 he was, like we're going to preserve 604 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:35,939 his art no matter what. 605 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:37,879 But essentially, the Hi How Are 606 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,859 You Project has kind of 607 00:17:39,860 --> 00:17:41,899 claimed this day as Daniel Johnson's 608 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:43,799 birthday and also kind 609 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,719 of as a way to advocate for their 610 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,459 platform, which the HiHowAreYou 611 00:17:47,460 --> 00:17:49,519 Project just kind of aims to 612 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,579 educate young adults about the 613 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:52,819 importance of mental health, which 614 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:54,559 was something that Daniel Johnston 615 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,299 did suffer from. 616 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,479 Um, just kind of through creative 617 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,479 elements like music and art 618 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,819 and things of that sort. 619 00:18:01,820 --> 00:18:03,259 And I know that they normally do 620 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:05,099 some events around, hi, how are you 621 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,089 day? What are they doing this year? 622 00:18:06,090 --> 00:18:06,949 They do, yeah. 623 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:08,349 So there are multiple events. 624 00:18:08,350 --> 00:18:10,089 Typically they do a benefit concert 625 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,289 and that will be happening tomorrow 626 00:18:12,290 --> 00:18:14,049 at the Paramount Theater. 627 00:18:14,050 --> 00:18:16,529 Nathaniel Rateliff is soloing. 628 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:17,969 He's gonna be performing and 629 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:20,409 headlining the show and I just, 630 00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:22,489 I cannot recommend it enough. 631 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:24,989 I went last year, Madison Cunningham 632 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:26,929 played with Andrew Bird and it 633 00:18:26,930 --> 00:18:29,249 was just a wonderful way to 634 00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:30,889 celebrate Daniel Johnston. 635 00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:33,029 They sang some of his music and 636 00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:34,409 also to fundraise for the event. 637 00:18:34,410 --> 00:18:36,349 Yeah, to support a good cause. 638 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:37,509 And if you can't make it out, maybe 639 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:39,189 you can buy some merch. 640 00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:41,349 I have a hi, how are you 641 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:42,709 beanie. 642 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:44,629 That is the most complimented 643 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:46,449 item I have ever had in 644 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:48,409 my life. So maybe you grab one 645 00:18:48,410 --> 00:18:50,109 of those as well. 646 00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:51,449 OK, so let's switch things up a 647 00:18:51,450 --> 00:18:53,369 little bit and talk now about AI 648 00:18:53,370 --> 00:18:55,009 and the music industry. 649 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:56,389 What's going on with Bandcamp? 650 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:57,669 What is Bandcamp for someone who 651 00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:58,369 might not be familiar? 652 00:18:58,370 --> 00:19:00,189 Right, so Bandcamp is 653 00:19:00,190 --> 00:19:01,909 a platform, it's an app. 654 00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:03,849 Post MAlaine has gotten famous off 655 00:19:03,850 --> 00:19:05,529 of it, Billy Eilish. 656 00:19:05,530 --> 00:19:07,709 Essentially new artists can just 657 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:09,609 freely upload their music and 658 00:19:09,610 --> 00:19:11,569 it's findable for 659 00:19:11,570 --> 00:19:13,469 most people on the internet. 660 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:15,409 A lot of rappers will do that, 661 00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:17,429 Bandcamp's kind of famous for its 662 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:18,959 type of trap rap. 663 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,839 Okay, and and sort of 664 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,839 like an ability to directly buy from 665 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,279 the artists in a lot of cases, 666 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:24,539 right? 667 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:26,159 Yeah, that is true. 668 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,879 And we've talked about AI and the 669 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,199 signal before Universal 670 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,419 Music Group has partnered with 671 00:19:32,420 --> 00:19:34,879 Suno and UDO, 672 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,519 which are different AIs that their 673 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,259 artists can use. 674 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,059 But Bandcamp is saying no to that. 675 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:42,119 They're saying no AI 676 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,239 is allowed on Bandcamp 677 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,079 music that is generated wholly 678 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,999 or in substantial part by 679 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,579 AI is not permitted. 680 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:51,519 And all of the styles 681 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,459 that AI can replicate is also 682 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:55,289 not permitted So they're 683 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:57,589 encouraging users to 684 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:59,409 send in flags for their team to 685 00:19:59,410 --> 00:20:01,909 review to keep everything as 686 00:20:01,910 --> 00:20:04,389 human and creative as possible. 687 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:05,429 Before you get out of here for 688 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:06,909 today, let's bring it back home to 689 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:08,749 KUTX, who is the 690 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:09,819 Artist of the Month for January? 691 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:10,799 Absolutely. 692 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,239 Our first artist of the month this 693 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,739 year is Annabel Cherlegs. 694 00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:15,659 They're a super great kind of surf 695 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:17,639 rock, kind of psychedelic 696 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,859 adjacent group led by 697 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:21,759 singer Lindsay Macken. 698 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,319 And a fun fact about them is 699 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,139 actually that Annabel Cherleg's was 700 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:27,079 her alter ego and her original 701 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,319 college rock band. 702 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,880 An amazing name. 703 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,119 The group itself though is 704 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:32,999 wonderful. 705 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,859 Nolan Potter kind of A 706 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:36,719 Psych God here in Austin is the 707 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,579 guitarist. 708 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:39,459 Their new album, Waking Up, is 709 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:40,299 releasing. 710 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,099 And speaking of Psych Gods, Ty 711 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,919 Siegel produced the album, 712 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,939 super cool. 713 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:46,599 It's their third full length album 714 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,619 and I'm super psyched 715 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:49,069 about it. 716 00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:50,949 We got a chance to speak with 717 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:52,449 Lindsey Macon when they were doing 718 00:20:52,450 --> 00:20:54,349 their studio 1a and you 719 00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:55,729 said psych I saw that they're gonna 720 00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:57,649 be performing at psych fest with Ty 721 00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:59,689 Siegel lots of great names there 722 00:20:59,690 --> 00:21:01,789 So an exciting time 723 00:21:01,790 --> 00:21:03,949 for live music and I know Annabelle 724 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:05,069 chair legs I believe is gonna be 725 00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:06,929 having a album release show 726 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:08,489 next month We're gonna have more 727 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:10,429 about that We I said as I said 728 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:11,849 got a change to talk with Lindsey 729 00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:13,749 Mackin and we'll have that coming up 730 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:15,899 next week on the Austin signal 731 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:17,119 We've been chatting with Miley 732 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,019 Carbio from our sister station 733 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:20,719 in KUTX. 734 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,879 Miley, thanks for the update, as 735 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,079 always. Thank you, Jerry. 736 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:27,269 And in addition to 737 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:28,909 the Hi How Are You Day events that 738 00:21:28,910 --> 00:21:30,729 are happening this weekend, 739 00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:32,769 our Art Beat desk has you covered 740 00:21:32,770 --> 00:21:34,829 on other happenings going on here 741 00:21:34,830 --> 00:21:36,969 in Austin, including a 742 00:21:36,970 --> 00:21:39,049 gallery opening at Women and Their 743 00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:41,089 Work and a short fringe at 744 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:42,009 Frontera Fest. 745 00:21:42,010 --> 00:21:44,109 You can find out more about those 746 00:21:44,110 --> 00:21:46,149 at kut.org 747 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:47,989 slash Art Beat. 748 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:49,669 And one thing that's not happening 749 00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:51,489 this weekend because of the weather 750 00:21:51,490 --> 00:21:53,559 that we are expecting, is the 751 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,639 screening and Q&A for the short film 752 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,579 Walk With Death, which we told 753 00:21:57,580 --> 00:21:58,459 you about yesterday. 754 00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:00,979 We had a conversation with filmmaker 755 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:02,539 Melissa Nguyen. 756 00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:03,959 Again, that Q& A that was scheduled 757 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,839 for this Saturday has been 758 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,119 postponed until Saturday, March 759 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,979 21st because of 760 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,579 that inclement weather that we are 761 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:12,479 expecting. 762 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,319 So we'll remind you in March 763 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,839 about the Q&a and screening. 764 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,499 And let me take this moment now to 765 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:19,819 remind you that we have. 766 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:21,679 Plenty of ways for you to prepare 767 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,539 ahead of that weather that we 768 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:25,119 are expecting. 769 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,759 Trey Shaar was with us earlier in 770 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,279 the show. He said that city 771 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,559 officials here in Austin will be 772 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,419 meeting tomorrow morning. 773 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:32,379 Of course, we're gonna have an 774 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:33,939 update for you on the Signal 775 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:35,179 tomorrow. 776 00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:37,199 So we will talk to you then with 777 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,859 the latest that we have and we look 778 00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:40,939 forward to chatting with you 779 00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:42,319 and we hope you have a wonderful 780 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,359 day. Thanks for being with us 781 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,259 here on Austin Signal. 782 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:47,839 Kristen Cabrera is our managing 783 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,799 producer. 784 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,019 Rayna Sevilla is our technical 785 00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:52,859 director, and I'm your 786 00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:54,639 host, Jerry Quijano. 787 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,640 Have a great day.