1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,379 Complaints against Austin police 2 00:00:10,380 --> 00:00:11,619 could be worked out through a new 3 00:00:11,620 --> 00:00:14,079 city program focused on mediation. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,179 We'll hear more about what these 5 00:00:15,180 --> 00:00:16,739 types of guided conversations to 6 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:18,899 address community concerns could 7 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:20,519 look and sound like. 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,439 And there is a downtown fixture 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,279 close to Rainy Street that has 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,079 somehow avoided becoming yet another 11 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:27,459 Austin sky rise. 12 00:00:27,460 --> 00:00:28,839 Of course, we're talking about the 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,579 IHOP on Cesar Chavez. 14 00:00:30,580 --> 00:00:31,679 We'll here about the real estate 15 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,559 drama behind its longevity and 16 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,919 what the future could hold for the 17 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,139 building and the land that it's 18 00:00:36,140 --> 00:00:37,639 built on. That's coming up on 19 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,889 today's show. 20 00:00:38,890 --> 00:00:40,769 The Austin Signal is a production 21 00:00:40,770 --> 00:00:42,869 of KUT News, hosted by 22 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:43,959 Jerry Quijano. 23 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,559 Plus, a conversation with the 24 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,979 director of a new documentary on 25 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:49,039 podcasting and the age of 26 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,899 audio that's premiering in town 27 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:53,159 at Austin Film Society this weekend, 28 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,279 all of that and more, coming up 29 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,979 right here on Austin Signal. 30 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,139 Howdy out there, this is 31 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:13,439 Austin Signal, you're listening on 32 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,939 community powered public radio KUT 33 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:17,619 News, we're glad you're making us 34 00:01:17,620 --> 00:01:19,679 part of your Friday, I'm 35 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,439 your host Jerry Kijonol. 36 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,939 We will get today's show started by 37 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:25,279 talking about a new city program 38 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,839 that aims to address complaints 39 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,739 about Austin police through 40 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:30,119 conversation. 41 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,099 As KUT's Andrew Weber reports, 42 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:33,819 the city's police oversight office 43 00:01:33,820 --> 00:01:35,679 hopes the mediation program bridges 44 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,019 gaps between officers and 45 00:01:38,020 --> 00:01:39,020 the community. 46 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,539 Police complaints run the gamut. 47 00:01:41,540 --> 00:01:42,879 They could include anything from 48 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,839 excessive force to speeding to 49 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,259 slow response times. 50 00:01:46,260 --> 00:01:47,599 But a good chunk of the time, Austin 51 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,379 Police Oversight fields complaints 52 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:51,259 in which people allege officers 53 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:52,979 were just plain rude to them. 54 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:54,839 And that isn't against the law. 55 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,359 Gail McCant is the director of 56 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,479 Austin Police oversight. 57 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,199 That's absolutely correct. 58 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,999 But for officers, it is a policy 59 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,019 violation. 60 00:02:02,020 --> 00:02:03,859 There is an expectation that 61 00:02:03,860 --> 00:02:05,519 you engage with community members 62 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,829 very respectfully. 63 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:08,489 So, the office is starting a new 64 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:10,069 program, one where people who 65 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:11,549 complain and the police officers 66 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:13,649 they file complaints against sit 67 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:15,169 down and talk it out with a 68 00:02:15,170 --> 00:02:16,729 third-party mediator. 69 00:02:16,730 --> 00:02:18,189 McCant hopes this program will 70 00:02:18,190 --> 00:02:19,769 change how people think about cops 71 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:21,589 and how cops engage 72 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:23,009 with Austinites on a day-to-day 73 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:23,669 basis. 74 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:25,649 We really want officers to think 75 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:27,489 through this process, be reflective 76 00:02:27,490 --> 00:02:28,889 in this process. 77 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:31,449 Be able to accept some 78 00:02:31,450 --> 00:02:33,389 constructive feedback from community 79 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:35,229 members related to their 80 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:37,049 engagement and really just be open 81 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:38,199 to the process. 82 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,579 The idea for the program stretches 83 00:02:39,580 --> 00:02:41,599 back as far as 2018, 84 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,339 McCants says, but it's the direct 85 00:02:43,340 --> 00:02:44,699 result of the Austin Police 86 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:46,479 Oversight Act, the voter approved 87 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,319 ballot measure from 2023 that 88 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,299 aims to increase civilian input 89 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:52,059 and police oversight. 90 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:53,239 Kathy Mitchell helped get that 91 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,219 measure passed. 92 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:55,679 She's happy to see the mediation 93 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,519 program get off the ground, but she 94 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,639 says it took too long to get here. 95 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,399 Mitchell sued the city over what she 96 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,719 says was an unnecessary delay, a 97 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,379 common stumbling block for reforms 98 00:03:05,380 --> 00:03:07,119 tied to the Austin Police Oversight 99 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:07,699 Act. 100 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:09,659 There's no other thing than 101 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:11,759 foot dragging to blame for 102 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,659 that. The city could have been 103 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:15,779 much further along much sooner. 104 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:17,759 But Mitchell says progress, 105 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,379 slow as it may seem to her, is 106 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:21,219 progress and opening a line 107 00:03:21,220 --> 00:03:22,899 of dialog between cops and the 108 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:23,900 community. 109 00:03:25,220 --> 00:03:27,119 Sometimes all you need 110 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,999 is an open and honest 111 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,099 conversation, and creating a 112 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:33,039 place to have that open and honest 113 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,999 conversation is 114 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,119 a good thing. 115 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,919 Both Mitchell and McCant say the 116 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,759 program has the opportunity to break 117 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,059 down some barriers and mend fences 118 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:44,019 between Austin police and the 119 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:46,179 people they protect and serve. 120 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:47,460 I'm Andrew Weber in Austin. 121 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:55,559 Austin's skyline has had quite 122 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,439 a few alterations over the 123 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,459 last decade-plus, but one 124 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,499 facade has not faded and has somehow 125 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:03,159 remained strong in the face of so 126 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,139 much change right around it. 127 00:04:05,140 --> 00:04:06,659 I'm talking of course about the IHOP 128 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:08,519 on Cesar Chavez's ride off of 129 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,559 I-35, but there is 130 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,319 a kerfuffle bubbling under the 131 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,999 breakfast eatery about the very land 132 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,088 that the building is situated on it. 133 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:17,349 For more about that story, we're 134 00:04:17,350 --> 00:04:18,689 speaking with Cody Baird. 135 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:20,189 He covers commercial real estate for 136 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:21,869 the Austin Business Journal. 137 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:22,829 Cody, thanks for coming on the show 138 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,289 today. Thanks for having me. 139 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:26,189 So in case our listeners aren't 140 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:27,929 super familiar, what sort of 141 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:29,389 redevelopment has been happening in 142 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:31,309 the area around that IHOP? 143 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:32,969 So that IHOP, they... 144 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:35,089 The area around it specifically has 145 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:37,049 gotten sky-high pretty 146 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:37,969 much. 147 00:04:37,970 --> 00:04:39,849 The IHOP itself is almost 148 00:04:39,850 --> 00:04:41,729 right next door to what is 149 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:43,469 already the tallest tower in the 150 00:04:43,470 --> 00:04:44,459 entire state. 151 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:46,139 It makes for like a pretty comical 152 00:04:46,140 --> 00:04:47,579 scene when you're driving along and 153 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:49,499 you get close to 35 There's 154 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:51,079 this tiny little building and then 155 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,709 huge buildings everywhere around it 156 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:54,709 Oh, yeah, a decade ago, it didn't 157 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:56,169 stand out that much. 158 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:58,149 But today, when there's been so 159 00:04:58,150 --> 00:05:00,369 much development along Rainy Street, 160 00:05:00,370 --> 00:05:01,389 you know, you look at it and it's 161 00:05:01,390 --> 00:05:03,039 just like, wow, why, why hasn't. 162 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,579 That been redeveloped? 163 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:05,799 Yeah, well, I'm going to ask you 164 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,659 that question, but since so 165 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:09,879 much has been going up these big 166 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,639 buildings, I am assuming expensive 167 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,579 buildings, the land that the IHOP 168 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:15,599 is on, how valuable is 169 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,879 that land? 170 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,969 I can't remember the... 171 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:18,989 Exact figure. 172 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:20,729 But for tax purposes, it was most 173 00:05:20,730 --> 00:05:23,129 recently appraised at about 174 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:25,009 $26.7 million, 175 00:05:25,010 --> 00:05:26,010 I believe. 176 00:05:27,030 --> 00:05:29,069 And just for reference, 177 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:30,509 market value for properties like 178 00:05:30,510 --> 00:05:32,409 that often 179 00:05:32,410 --> 00:05:34,039 way exceeds the 180 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,899 value okay okay 181 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:37,779 so again you you 182 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:38,719 asked the question yourself right 183 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,639 there how has it remained an 184 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,699 IHOP in the face of all this change 185 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:44,559 around it so the the property 186 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,929 owner has 187 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:48,009 said exactly why it 188 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:49,549 hasn't been redeveloped. 189 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,909 But what we do know is that they're 190 00:05:51,910 --> 00:05:54,629 in default on a loan since 191 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:55,829 2020. 192 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:57,729 And that can trigger a bunch of 193 00:05:57,730 --> 00:05:59,989 things like not being able to get 194 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:02,169 refinancing or new construction 195 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:04,609 loans for any kind of development, 196 00:06:04,610 --> 00:06:06,389 which would definitely impact any 197 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:07,789 kind or development there. 198 00:06:07,790 --> 00:06:10,049 The other side of it is that 199 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:11,609 the IHOP still has a lease there. 200 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:13,749 I think the IHOP extends through 201 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:15,549 June, 2029 right now. 202 00:06:15,550 --> 00:06:17,389 Okay yeah, I will follow up with 203 00:06:17,390 --> 00:06:18,909 some questions about that, but I 204 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:20,769 want to go back to that default 205 00:06:20,770 --> 00:06:21,869 loan. 206 00:06:21,870 --> 00:06:23,789 Your story kind of brings in 207 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:25,909 the default loan, it says the 208 00:06:25,910 --> 00:06:27,549 property is intriguing enough 209 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:29,389 itself, but it also brings 210 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:30,789 in these three characters, these 211 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:32,189 three players in your story. 212 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:33,609 I was wondering, hopefully you can 213 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:34,889 talk a little bit about them. 214 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:36,050 Maybe you start with Nate Paul, I 215 00:06:36,051 --> 00:06:37,889 think his name might be most 216 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:39,259 familiar to some of our listeners. 217 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:40,819 Yeah, yeah. 218 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:42,119 Pretty much everyone involved in 219 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,399 this has some kind of 220 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,819 criminal investigation history 221 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:46,759 behind them. 222 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,079 Nate Paul, for example, 223 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,039 during the 2010s, 224 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,559 he was a really high-flying, 225 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,339 young real estate investor in 226 00:06:55,340 --> 00:06:57,039 Austin, making a lot of ways for 227 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,459 getting a lot of really valuable 228 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:01,299 properties in prime locations like 229 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,300 the IHOP. 230 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:05,439 In 2019, the FBI 231 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,589 rated his office and 232 00:07:08,590 --> 00:07:10,629 The ensuing investigation saw 233 00:07:10,630 --> 00:07:13,149 him plead guilty last year 234 00:07:13,150 --> 00:07:15,429 to a charge of 235 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:17,350 lying to financial institutions. 236 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:20,539 Okay, so that's a little bit about 237 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:21,659 Nate Paul. 238 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:23,219 Maybe you tell us about Justin Bain. 239 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:25,099 I believe he's from Austin as well. 240 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:25,969 Correct, yeah. 241 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:28,249 Austin Bain is the sole manager 242 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:30,109 of the creditor that's trying 243 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:31,549 to foreclose on the property right 244 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:32,969 now. Okay, okay. 245 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:35,049 He's a commercial real estate pro 246 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:37,049 in Austin, but he was 247 00:07:37,050 --> 00:07:38,989 recently arrested on 248 00:07:38,990 --> 00:07:40,969 charges of playing a 249 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:42,869 key role in a high-end cocaine 250 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:44,079 distribution enterprise. 251 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,519 And you said he's the creditor 252 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,679 currently, I guess, 253 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,779 trying to foreclose on 254 00:07:50,780 --> 00:07:52,359 the IHOP? That's correct. 255 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,319 He's the manager of the creditors. 256 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,799 And then prior to that, it was 257 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,639 another company? Is that where Brian 258 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,719 Hardeman comes in? 259 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,969 No, no. So, uh, Brian, 260 00:07:59,970 --> 00:08:02,589 The creditor is 261 00:08:02,590 --> 00:08:04,449 an investment entity that's led 262 00:08:04,450 --> 00:08:06,329 by Brian Hardeman and 263 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:07,889 Justin Bain is listed on Property 264 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:09,389 Records as the manager of it. 265 00:08:11,150 --> 00:08:13,309 They purchased a 266 00:08:13,310 --> 00:08:15,349 loan from Amplify Credit Union 267 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:17,549 after Nate Paul had defaulted 268 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:18,429 on the loan there. 269 00:08:18,430 --> 00:08:20,609 Okay, so this stems 270 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:22,609 from a recent, or maybe 271 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:24,769 not stems, but the most recent 272 00:08:24,770 --> 00:08:26,929 thing is a Chapter 11 bankruptcy 273 00:08:26,930 --> 00:08:28,649 case, so there's been a lot of 274 00:08:28,650 --> 00:08:30,609 fighting prior to this recent 275 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:31,929 move. Can you just tell us a little 276 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:33,109 bit of that backstory? 277 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:34,110 Yeah, yeah. 278 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:37,918 World-class, Nate Paul's 279 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:39,899 firm that owns the IHOP, 280 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:41,819 they defaulted on a loan in 281 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:42,820 2020. 282 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,439 And that loan was through Amplify 283 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,219 Credit Union. 284 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:49,319 After they default it on the loan, 285 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,179 the new creditor led by 286 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:53,179 Brian Hardiman and Justin Bain 287 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:55,159 purchased that 288 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,019 debt. So now they're 289 00:08:57,020 --> 00:08:58,219 the creditor. 290 00:08:58,220 --> 00:08:59,819 And they've been trying to foreclose 291 00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:02,179 on this property since 2020. 292 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:03,399 The entire time, each time 293 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,349 they've... Tried to foreclose on 294 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:06,469 it. 295 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:08,429 World class and Nepal have tried 296 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:10,549 through the courts to prevent the 297 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,569 foreclosure. 298 00:09:12,570 --> 00:09:14,109 Their attempts keep getting denied 299 00:09:14,110 --> 00:09:15,989 by the courts, but for 300 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:18,189 some reason the property just 301 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:19,669 hasn't made it to the fore closure 302 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:21,289 auction yet. 303 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:23,329 Most recently, it was set to get 304 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:25,809 sold on December 2nd last 305 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:26,810 year. 306 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:29,619 It was set to go to foreclosure 307 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:31,519 auction. I was at the 308 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,559 courthouse steps waiting to see what 309 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,519 happened. And when it never 310 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,939 got sold, I went home 311 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:40,399 and I checked the 312 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,999 bankruptcy courts. 313 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,199 And that morning, 314 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,119 world class, the entity that 315 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,799 they have owning it declared chapter 316 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,800 11 bankruptcy. 317 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,699 And what that does is that 318 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:54,059 bankruptcy will kind of 319 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:56,479 stall or it'll halt any 320 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,140 foreclosures proceedings. 321 00:09:57,141 --> 00:09:58,050 From going forward, yeah. 322 00:09:58,051 --> 00:10:00,029 From going forward until they 323 00:10:00,030 --> 00:10:01,709 kind of go through that bankruptcy 324 00:10:01,710 --> 00:10:02,419 process. 325 00:10:02,420 --> 00:10:04,299 Okay, well we have about 326 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:05,999 a minute left, a little more than 327 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,939 that. You mentioned the 328 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:09,379 IHOP having the lease. 329 00:10:09,380 --> 00:10:10,819 Can you tell us a little bit about 330 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:13,099 like the future and how secure 331 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:14,669 is their future at that location. 332 00:10:14,670 --> 00:10:16,689 So they're secure, at least until 333 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:17,969 2029. 334 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:19,529 They were originally on a 20 year 335 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:21,529 lease that expired in, I think, 336 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:22,530 2024. 337 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:24,609 And they have a five 338 00:10:24,610 --> 00:10:26,449 year extension options. 339 00:10:26,450 --> 00:10:28,309 And 2029 is when that 340 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:30,509 next extension option would kick in. 341 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:32,629 And it's not clear yet if 342 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:34,729 the whoever owns the property can 343 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:36,289 say, no, we're not gonna let you 344 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:37,549 exercise that. 345 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:39,759 But they're at least there till 2029 346 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,499 Cause I learned about a triple net 347 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:42,459 lease in your story. 348 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:43,659 Can you just explain really quickly 349 00:10:43,660 --> 00:10:44,449 what that is? 350 00:10:44,450 --> 00:10:46,529 Yeah, yeah, so that means the 351 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:48,429 IHOP is, they're really handling all 352 00:10:48,430 --> 00:10:50,309 the maintenance, all the 353 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:52,149 taxes for the property, they are 354 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:54,129 paying rent, so it's, 355 00:10:54,130 --> 00:10:55,649 I mean it's a really good tenant to 356 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:57,709 have there. It's just kind of, just 357 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:59,849 an IHop instead of having maybe 358 00:10:59,850 --> 00:11:01,709 a full office tower 359 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:03,659 or hotel or something there. 360 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:05,519 OK, well, again, this 361 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,659 is the latest story from Cody 362 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:09,519 Baird. He covers commercial real 363 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,099 estate for the Austin Business 364 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:12,219 Journal. That's where you can find 365 00:11:12,220 --> 00:11:14,119 this story and more of his 366 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,579 reporting. We'll have more in our 367 00:11:15,580 --> 00:11:17,519 show notes for today's show. 368 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,919 Cody, thanks for joining us. 369 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,079 Thanks for having me. 370 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,419 And thank you out there for tuning 371 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:23,059 in to Austin Signal. 372 00:11:23,060 --> 00:11:25,039 We will be back in just a 373 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,040 moment. 374 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:34,199 This is Austin Signal, welcome 375 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,259 back. 376 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:37,159 A pioneer for women in country 377 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,979 music has her birthday this 378 00:11:38,980 --> 00:11:41,479 week. For more about her legacy, 379 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,119 we of course go to Jason Mellard 380 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,699 from the Center for Texas Music 381 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:46,779 History out at Texas State 382 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:47,780 University. 383 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:50,659 She's a fine singer and a nice 384 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:52,019 girl. Let's make her feel real 385 00:11:52,020 --> 00:11:52,979 welcome here. 386 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:53,980 Miss Goldie Hill. 387 00:12:02,370 --> 00:12:04,509 This week in Texas music history, 388 00:12:04,510 --> 00:12:06,369 a Karnes City country singer strikes 389 00:12:06,370 --> 00:12:07,949 gold in Nashville. 390 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:10,069 On January 11, 1933, 391 00:12:10,070 --> 00:12:11,589 country singer Goldie Hill was born 392 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:13,689 outside of Karnes City, Texas. 393 00:12:13,690 --> 00:12:15,129 Goldie began playing music as a 394 00:12:15,130 --> 00:12:16,209 teenager with her two older 395 00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:18,069 brothers, Kinney and Tommy Hill, 396 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:19,709 securing gigs in nearby San Antonio 397 00:12:19,710 --> 00:12:21,209 as the Texas Hillbillies, and 398 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:23,029 backing singing cowboy acts like Red 399 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:24,859 River Dave and Big Bill Lister. 400 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:26,239 They gained traction by the early 401 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,979 1950s, catching the ear of 402 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:29,699 honky-tonker Webb Pierce. 403 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:31,219 Pierce invited Goldie and Tommy to 404 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:33,159 join his band on Shreveport's famed 405 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,259 Louisiana Hayride radio show. 406 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:37,099 Riding this wave at just 19 years 407 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:38,759 old, Hill auditioned as a solo 408 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,799 singer at Deca Records in Nashville, 409 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,099 who had also recently signed Kitty 410 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:42,899 Wells. 411 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:44,819 And in 1952, she released her 412 00:12:44,820 --> 00:12:46,659 first single, Why Talk to My 413 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:47,489 Heart. 414 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:49,329 To talk to 415 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:50,330 my 416 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:56,899 The following year, her second 417 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:58,679 record, I Let the Stars Get in My 418 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,079 Eyes, an answer song to Slim 419 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,599 Willett's Don't Let the stars get in 420 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,459 your eyes, became a country number 421 00:13:03,460 --> 00:13:04,579 one hit. 422 00:13:04,580 --> 00:13:05,559 Hill was dubbed the Golden 423 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,379 Hillbilly, performing on programs 424 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:09,239 such as Ozark Jubilee, the Grand 425 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,799 Ole Opry, and the Country Tune 426 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,239 Parade with Ernest Tubb. 427 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,579 She married country singer Carl 428 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:15,479 Smith in 1957 and toured 429 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,539 with him in the Philip Morris 430 00:13:16,540 --> 00:13:18,379 Country Music Show for a few years 431 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:20,039 before largely retiring from the 432 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:20,839 music industry. 433 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,479 Although she recorded sporadically 434 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,789 in the decades to follow. 435 00:13:23,790 --> 00:13:25,029 Her disillusionment with 436 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:26,729 opportunities for women singers led 437 00:13:26,730 --> 00:13:28,409 her to find fulfillment away from 438 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:29,649 the spotlight. 439 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:30,849 Hill lived out the remainder of her 440 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:32,409 years on her family ranch before 441 00:13:32,410 --> 00:13:35,009 passing away in 2005. 442 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:36,329 Often overlooked for her role in 443 00:13:36,330 --> 00:13:38,209 Texas music, Goldie Hill set 444 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:39,829 a precedent for women in country 445 00:13:39,830 --> 00:13:41,270 music for years to come. 446 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,899 You've been gone so long, 447 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:49,420 I couldn't stay. 448 00:13:49,421 --> 00:13:50,599 You can hear music 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to 465 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,419 you? Was it something from the 466 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:36,479 public radio universe or maybe 467 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,899 something from one of your favorite 468 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:39,879 comedians that you still listen to 469 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,539 this very day? 470 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:43,119 Well, the story of how podcasts came 471 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,959 to be and even the very origin 472 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,619 of the word podcast is part of the 473 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:48,499 story in the film Age of Audio 474 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:50,799 directed by Shaun Michael Colon. 475 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,039 The movie is screening this Sunday 476 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,829 at the Austin Film Society. 477 00:14:53,830 --> 00:14:55,009 He's going to be at the theater for 478 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:56,569 a Q&A following the show. 479 00:14:56,570 --> 00:14:58,409 And we've got him here now for a 480 00:14:58,410 --> 00:15:00,389 few questions on Austin Signal. 481 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:01,769 Shaun, thank you for your time. 482 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:02,769 Oh, thanks for having me. I really 483 00:15:02,770 --> 00:15:03,649 appreciate it, Jer. 484 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:05,649 So I know you didn't set out 485 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:07,569 to make this movie about podcasting. 486 00:15:07,570 --> 00:15:09,049 Can you tell us what project were 487 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:10,569 you working on and how did that end 488 00:15:10,570 --> 00:15:11,789 up connecting you with some 489 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:12,790 podcasting royalty? 490 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,839 I was working on a documentary 491 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,439 with this punk rock band 492 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,999 and we ended up playing a show and 493 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,839 through a series of events I 494 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,859 ended up hanging out with Ira Glass 495 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:25,860 at a punk rock show. 496 00:15:28,379 --> 00:15:30,579 Which is a weird 497 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:32,459 conflation of two parts of my 498 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:33,929 world I never thought would collide. 499 00:15:33,930 --> 00:15:35,849 That's a very public radio sentence, 500 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:37,129 you know, hanging out with Ira Glass 501 00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:38,109 at a punk rock show. 502 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:39,049 I feel like that's something you can 503 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:40,509 only hear on the public radio 504 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:41,510 airwaves. 505 00:15:43,170 --> 00:15:45,229 I think certain people know 506 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:47,549 how weird those 507 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:49,939 two things coming together can be. 508 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:51,919 The movie is kind of a mix of 509 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,879 the story of podcasts, where the 510 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,839 words came from, how things sort 511 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,659 of happened. But it also is kind 512 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:59,619 running concurrently with a 513 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:01,219 modern-day podcaster, somebody who's 514 00:16:01,220 --> 00:16:03,379 trying to get their show exposure, 515 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:06,059 and a little bit more listenership. 516 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:07,039 How did that come about? 517 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,619 Did you anticipate that you were 518 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:10,459 going to work, that the host's 519 00:16:10,460 --> 00:16:11,919 name is Ronald Young Jr.? 520 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,179 Did you anticipated working with him 521 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:14,439 from the beginning, or did that 522 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,259 happen as you were making the 523 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:17,039 film? 524 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,599 No, the film evolved over about 525 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,600 seven years. 526 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:22,139 And I always knew I wanted to do 527 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:23,679 some of the history of podcasting 528 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,799 and kind of where it came from and 529 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,519 talk about the industry. 530 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,499 But I also knew that unless you 531 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:29,899 were someone that was really deep 532 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:31,879 into podcasting, that stuff can get, 533 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,459 you know, a little boring. 534 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:34,909 Yeah, and the weeds for sure. 535 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:36,849 And my first film didn't really 536 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:38,849 have a primary 537 00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:40,529 subject that I followed. 538 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:41,989 And it's really great for the people 539 00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:43,189 who, like I said, that are inside 540 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:44,689 baseball and they really love it. 541 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:46,429 But I really wanted to make a film 542 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:48,309 that you could follow 543 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:49,809 along with, whether or not you cared 544 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:51,209 about podcasting or not. 545 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:52,549 And I think the only way to do that 546 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:54,429 is to tell a human story. 547 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:56,469 And I thing, you know, besides 548 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:58,469 podcasting, 549 00:16:58,470 --> 00:17:00,529 which has a very DIY kind 550 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:02,109 of spirit to it, I think since the 551 00:17:02,110 --> 00:17:03,039 beginning. 552 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,879 I wanted to highlight what it's 553 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,299 like to be an independent creator as 554 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:08,338 one myself. 555 00:17:08,339 --> 00:17:09,659 I don't think you ever make a movie 556 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:11,979 that's not about yourself. 557 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:13,979 But I'm in that independent 558 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:16,139 creator world and I think it's 559 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:18,219 important for some people to see the 560 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:20,078 highs and lows of what it can mean 561 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:21,699 to be a successful independent 562 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:22,679 creator. 563 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,679 I feel like, especially nowadays 564 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,578 more than ever, someone either 565 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:28,819 is a independent creator or 566 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:30,359 a family member or a friend is 567 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,179 someone that's trying to do 568 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,459 something like this. So. 569 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:34,099 Just hoping I can tell a story that 570 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:35,039 could connect with the most amount 571 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:35,979 of people. 572 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:37,639 You mentioned the DIY spirit that 573 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,039 runs through all of podcasting. 574 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,619 Your story weaves through the 575 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:43,479 origins, the heyday, and gets 576 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,099 to the current financially tougher 577 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:47,419 environment that podcasts exist in. 578 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:49,299 Besides that DIY nature, what do you 579 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,199 see as some of the connections 580 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,739 that link all three of those phases 581 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:53,740 together? 582 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,479 I think it's one of the 583 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,119 things about podcasting I think 584 00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,959 that's no matter if people are 585 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,919 making money off of it or, 586 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,959 you know, the early days, 587 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,039 I think the thing that runs 588 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,019 thread that runs through all of it 589 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:10,059 is that this is a medium 590 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:12,039 that's not controlled by any 591 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,619 company. 592 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:14,779 There are companies that can put 593 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:16,719 money into it, but because of 594 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,819 the nature of a 595 00:18:18,820 --> 00:18:20,699 technical term RSS, 596 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,299 it really is one of the first broad 597 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:24,829 mediums that could be broadcast to 598 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:26,669 so many people that know 599 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:28,749 one company or one country or 600 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:30,789 any One thing 601 00:18:30,790 --> 00:18:32,769 that controls it and I think 602 00:18:32,770 --> 00:18:34,649 that even though it's harder 603 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:36,249 I think these days to make money in 604 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:38,569 podcasting for a newcomer 605 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:40,769 and independent The 606 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:42,929 opportunity is still there to reach 607 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:44,469 lots of people without any 608 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:46,189 gatekeepers and that's for better 609 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:48,049 for worse But I think it's in 610 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:49,939 a very unique position 611 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:51,399 Unlike almost any other medium 612 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,539 that's existed. 613 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:54,659 Maybe early pirate radio before 614 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,479 it all got regulated and such, 615 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,480 but... 616 00:18:58,170 --> 00:18:59,629 Let me ask you, I have one last 617 00:18:59,630 --> 00:19:00,630 question. 618 00:19:01,070 --> 00:19:03,229 Your film was made with support 619 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:05,409 from an Austin Film Society grant. 620 00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:07,129 I wanted to know how impactful that 621 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:08,889 was to helping make this project 622 00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:10,499 become a reality. 623 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,959 Uh, I might get emotional here, 624 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,879 but please, please, uh, 625 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,259 like, uh, the film, you said this 626 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:18,339 was a seven year project, correct? 627 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,179 Yes. And remember in the middle 628 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:21,039 of that was COVID. 629 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,179 So we had a lot of, yeah, that's 630 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:23,119 right. 631 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:24,339 We had a ton of momentum. 632 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:26,719 We did about 35 interviews in, 633 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,720 uh. 634 00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:30,019 2019 and we really had a little 635 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:31,959 momentum and then COVID happened and 636 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,439 really kind of everything kind of, 637 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,479 you know, uh just, you can't do 638 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,859 in-person interviews really anymore 639 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:37,889 at that point. 640 00:19:37,890 --> 00:19:39,769 And it really kind of, the film 641 00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:42,029 in 2023, early 2023, 642 00:19:42,030 --> 00:19:44,169 I felt like had a real possibility 643 00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:45,569 of dying on the vine 644 00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:48,229 through a host of different 645 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:50,089 financial reasons and 646 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:52,049 just momentum and all those 647 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:53,050 kinds of things. 648 00:19:54,430 --> 00:19:56,569 And I had it in me 649 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:58,569 to, one of my editors 650 00:19:58,570 --> 00:20:00,489 had worked with grants 651 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:02,469 before and they helped me 652 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:04,389 write up something. 653 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:06,609 And basically they 654 00:20:06,610 --> 00:20:07,690 told me, you need to support you 655 00:20:07,691 --> 00:20:09,569 know, apply to this awesome film 656 00:20:09,570 --> 00:20:10,949 society grant. 657 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:12,829 And when they said that, I think 658 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:15,409 I had seven, 659 00:20:15,410 --> 00:20:16,349 no, eight days. 660 00:20:16,350 --> 00:20:17,849 I think eight days to get it all 661 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:18,679 together. 662 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,519 Wow 663 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,599 And to be honest with you, I really 664 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,339 at that point just forgot about it. 665 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:24,999 I put it out of my brain and didn't 666 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,879 even think about it, I was thinking 667 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,319 about some crowdfunding and some 668 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,579 other kind of things with the next 669 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:30,739 step to try and revive the 670 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:32,279 film and get it into a place. 671 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,819 And I think it's in early September, 672 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:37,679 I came home, 673 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,979 wasn't even thinking about it at all 674 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:41,019 and just saw an email and just, 675 00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:42,239 you know, you see those emails and 676 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,139 it's so often as a filmmaker and 677 00:20:44,140 --> 00:20:47,089 a creative, those emails are. 678 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:49,129 You know, we regret to inform 679 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:49,239 you. 680 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,869 Yeah, rejection letters, yeah. 681 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:52,709 And, you know, and it's 682 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:53,809 usually in the first line. 683 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:55,489 So I remember, I don't even remember 684 00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:57,229 opening the email, but the first 685 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:59,409 time was we were excited and 686 00:20:59,410 --> 00:21:01,549 I literally fell to my knees and 687 00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:02,550 started sobbing. 688 00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:06,069 I think I might cry now. 689 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:07,949 It was really, 690 00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:09,829 you now, the money is definitely 691 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:11,229 helpful. 692 00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:13,589 You know, in the size of a film, 693 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:15,249 it's not enough to complete a film 694 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:17,549 but it's enough to 695 00:21:17,550 --> 00:21:20,319 keep things moving and it really... 696 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,679 Invigorated the film and I think it 697 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,459 was the you know I went to some 698 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:25,019 podcast conferences afterwards had 699 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:26,599 some funds to be able to fly out as 700 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,999 able to upgrade my computer I was 701 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,579 able to have some a little bit of 702 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:32,079 a cash flow to be about to kind of 703 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,779 get things up and moving again and 704 00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:35,279 that's where I ended up finding I 705 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,699 Went to a podcast conference called 706 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:38,719 resonate and met 707 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,779 Ronald Young Jr And really 708 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:42,519 that's what made the movie come back 709 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,419 to life. So it was really from that 710 00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:46,878 that spark of that 711 00:21:46,879 --> 00:21:48,699 Confidence in the project and also 712 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,599 a little bit of financial support 713 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,439 that really the 714 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,139 film exists now And it just I don't 715 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,419 know if it would have if I 716 00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:57,259 hadn't gotten that from the Austin 717 00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:58,738 Film Society 718 00:21:58,739 --> 00:22:00,539 Well, congratulations on completing 719 00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:01,939 the film. We've been speaking with 720 00:22:01,940 --> 00:22:02,999 Shaun Michael Cologne. 721 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,059 He is the director of the film, 722 00:22:05,060 --> 00:22:05,879 Age of Audio. 723 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,039 Its Austin premiere is happening 724 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,919 this Sunday at the Austin Film 725 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,719 Society. 726 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,539 The screening starts at 4.15, 727 00:22:11,540 --> 00:22:12,659 and Shaun is gonna stick around 728 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:14,639 after the movie for a Q&A that 729 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,939 I'm gonna be moderating. 730 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:17,599 So come on out and join us again 731 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,359 this Sunday afternoon, 4. 732 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:20,199 15. 733 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,359 Shaun, I look forward to seeing you 734 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,719 there, and thank you for joining us 735 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,119 today on Austin Signal. 736 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:25,419 Man, thank you so much, man. 737 00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:26,420 I'm looking forward to Sunday. 738 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,259 And that's it for this week of 739 00:22:30,260 --> 00:22:31,419 Austin Signal. 740 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,239 And there has been a lot happening 741 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,299 these past few days. 742 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:35,879 So in case you missed something, 743 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,259 reminder, you can find our episodes 744 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:39,459 at kut.org slash 745 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:40,299 signal. 746 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:42,059 And subscribe to the show wherever 747 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:43,439 you listen to your podcast. 748 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,679 We would really appreciate it. 749 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,419 Rayna Sevilla is our technical 750 00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:48,199 director. 751 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,799 Kristin Cabrera is our managing 752 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,879 producer. 753 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,379 And Jimmy Mass is Austin Signal's 754 00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:55,079 show runner. I'm Jerry Quijano. 755 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,099 We will talk to you on Monday. 756 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,100 Have a great weekend!