1 00:00:15,860 --> 00:00:17,899 From the University of Texas 2 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:18,900 at Austin, KUT Radio, 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,089 this is In Black America. 4 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:24,589 No, you're not starting late. 5 00:00:24,590 --> 00:00:26,539 I think high school is the 6 00:00:26,540 --> 00:00:28,849 perfect time to be mindful because 7 00:00:28,850 --> 00:00:30,679 a lot of parents and I'm on 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,989 the cusp of becoming one myself. 9 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:34,999 A lot of parents, You want to do 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,799 everything you can to help your 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,169 child grow and succeed. 12 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:40,939 But sometimes that does require you 13 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,769 to check yourself and ask, Am 14 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:44,299 I doing too much? 15 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:46,039 Because when we have 40% of 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,169 millennials who are not financially 17 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:50,479 independent and rely on mom and dad 18 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:51,769 for financial assistance, and again, 19 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:53,539 it's a tough economy where you have 20 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:55,659 33% of Gen Z, ages 18 21 00:00:55,660 --> 00:00:57,529 to 24 who are neither 22 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:59,449 going to work nor going 23 00:00:59,450 --> 00:01:00,259 to school. 24 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:02,119 We have to ask ourselves is what is 25 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,949 inhibiting them from launching on 26 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:05,959 their own? And so it's never too 27 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:07,459 late to start thinking about the 28 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:08,299 long term picture. 29 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:10,189 It's just a call to action to be 30 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:12,799 mindful of as you're getting ready 31 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,749 to send someone off 32 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:16,549 to school or that journey to get 33 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:18,259 them to that point is, am I going to 34 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:19,969 actually help them reach that goal? 35 00:01:19,970 --> 00:01:22,069 Greg Kaplan, founder of the Kaplan 36 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:24,139 Educational Group and author 37 00:01:24,140 --> 00:01:25,969 of The Journey: How to Prepare 38 00:01:25,970 --> 00:01:27,949 Kids for a Competitive and Changing 39 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:28,999 World. 40 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,409 Kaplan, an internationally 41 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:32,059 recognized college admissions 42 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:34,009 strategist, has assisted 43 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:35,719 hundreds of high school seniors and 44 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,759 over 1000 underclassmen reached 45 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,319 their educational and career 46 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:40,339 potential. 47 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:42,199 Kaplan draws on experience as an 48 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,209 investment banker and lawyer to tie 49 00:01:44,210 --> 00:01:46,099 one's education to their long 50 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:47,569 term goals. 51 00:01:47,570 --> 00:01:49,189 In his book The Journey, Kaplan 52 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:50,719 provides valuable information for 53 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,759 parents and young people 54 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,469 and encourages families to work 55 00:01:54,470 --> 00:01:56,599 together in healthy ways to prepare 56 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,849 their child for their next steps. 57 00:01:58,850 --> 00:02:00,589 He paints a realistic picture of the 58 00:02:00,590 --> 00:02:02,419 lack of preparedness among today's 59 00:02:02,420 --> 00:02:04,669 youth, using stories of parents 60 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:06,229 and students who have struggled and 61 00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:07,759 succeeded. 62 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,760 I'm John L. Hanson Jr. and 63 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:11,479 welcome to another edition of In 64 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Black America. 65 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,659 On this week's program, The Journey 66 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:15,660 with Greg Kaplan In 67 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:17,689 Black America. 68 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:19,759 Where one goes to college, is not 69 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,989 who they will become. 70 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:22,639 And there's not one college that has 71 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:24,409 a monopoly on the path to success. 72 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:25,789 I tell everyone we work with and I 73 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:27,139 write about this in the book. 74 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:29,089 I had better job prospects 75 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:31,189 coming out of an unranked law school 76 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:33,019 at the time, which was UC Irvine, 77 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:34,189 than I did coming out of the Wharton 78 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:35,539 School business at Penn. 79 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:37,459 And so I'm not a school 80 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:39,139 snob. And I think there's so much 81 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:40,579 pressure and I think a lot of 82 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:42,739 parents think if my kid goes to 83 00:02:42,740 --> 00:02:44,419 fill in the name of the blank fancy 84 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:45,559 school, that they'll be set for 85 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,569 life. That's not how it works. 86 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:49,159 It's about making the most of that. 87 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,169 There are more graduate from San 88 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:52,669 Jose State University, the 89 00:02:52,670 --> 00:02:54,199 university that some of the audience 90 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,429 may have never even heard of before 91 00:02:55,430 --> 00:02:57,289 working in Silicon Valley than 92 00:02:57,290 --> 00:02:58,849 there are from the entire Ivy League 93 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:59,629 put together. 94 00:02:59,630 --> 00:03:00,859 And I think we need to have these 95 00:03:00,860 --> 00:03:02,389 kinds of conversations. 96 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:03,979 Let's do your best, but make this 97 00:03:03,980 --> 00:03:05,419 process work for you. 98 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:06,979 Today, our young people face an 99 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:08,839 increasing medley of challenges as 100 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,669 they pursue higher education. 101 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:12,709 The rising cost of tuition, daunting 102 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:14,569 prospective student debt, and a 103 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:16,339 talented and competitive applicant 104 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:17,179 pool. 105 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:19,339 After a decade of preparing students 106 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:20,929 for the ever more difficult 107 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:22,399 admission process. 108 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,439 College counselor Greg Kaplan How 109 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,299 parents would stop thinking 110 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:28,069 What should I do to get my child 111 00:03:28,070 --> 00:03:29,479 into a good college? 112 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,369 And instead ask, How can I 113 00:03:31,370 --> 00:03:33,529 best prepare my child for what comes 114 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:34,639 next? 115 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,739 In his book The Journey, Kaplan uses 116 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:38,089 his knowledge as an investment 117 00:03:38,090 --> 00:03:40,039 banker and lawyer to help parents 118 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,139 and students navigate the minefield 119 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:43,729 of college admission. 120 00:03:43,730 --> 00:03:45,259 Kaplan goes beyond the 121 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:47,059 well-documented college admission 122 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,039 madness and cuts to the core 123 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,629 of parental anxiety. 124 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:52,459 The Living, a definitive guide that 125 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:54,319 shares what parents can do 126 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,239 to help their child make the most 127 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,529 of the opportunities they will 128 00:03:57,530 --> 00:03:59,359 encounter in the future. 129 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,369 Recently In Black America spoke with 130 00:04:01,370 --> 00:04:02,329 Greg Kaplan. 131 00:04:02,330 --> 00:04:03,829 I was born in Tucson, Arizona, 132 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:05,779 raised in San Diego, California. 133 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:07,459 And I've always lived, I guess 134 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:09,109 besides college, always lived to hit 135 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:10,999 close to the border of Mexico. 136 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,979 And the standing that you 137 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:15,439 have a background in banking and 138 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,338 economics. 139 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:18,259 Sure. Yeah. I studied finance 140 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:19,549 at the University of Pennsylvania, 141 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:21,588 worked on Wall Street, burnt out 142 00:04:21,589 --> 00:04:23,149 in the most spectacular fashion you 143 00:04:23,150 --> 00:04:25,459 can imagine at the ripe age of 25, 144 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:27,109 waking up in a hospital, being told 145 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:28,429 to kind of get my life together by a 146 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:30,079 cardiologist in a foreign country, 147 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,129 and then ended up going to law 148 00:04:31,130 --> 00:04:32,539 school. And that's where I started 149 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:34,009 the Kaplan Educational, where we 150 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:35,959 help students figure out how to make 151 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,159 the most of their journey to college 152 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,639 and career. 153 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,409 And what sparked that interest in 154 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:41,479 assisting young people in 155 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,429 the journey to be whatever they 156 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:44,389 want to be in life? 157 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:45,349 You know, I think it comes from 158 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:47,389 being a from a very young age. 159 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:48,859 My mom grew up in an abusive 160 00:04:48,860 --> 00:04:50,899 household where 161 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:52,879 not only was it abusive, but women 162 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,559 weren't allowed to pursue any form 163 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,429 of education. 164 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:57,319 And so it was as a young age, 165 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,879 it was education was always 166 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,559 instilled in us is such a privilege. 167 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,729 It's a gift and it's something we 168 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:02,929 need to make the most of. 169 00:05:02,930 --> 00:05:04,759 And with that mindset, I 170 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,739 remember showing up to my to my 171 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:08,779 senior year of high school guidance 172 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:10,699 counselor. And when it's time 173 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:12,349 to apply to college at a stack of 174 00:05:12,350 --> 00:05:14,449 applications and my and I asked 175 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:15,679 my counselor. 176 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,269 Asking to help her as she could. 177 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:18,469 Help me. Excuse me. 178 00:05:18,470 --> 00:05:20,029 And what she said to me was, I have 179 00:05:20,030 --> 00:05:21,349 1100 other students. 180 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:22,519 I went to the largest public high 181 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,599 school in the state of California at 182 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,429 the time. And I just go 183 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:26,539 to community college and save your 184 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:27,709 parents a ton of money. 185 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:29,539 And it was 186 00:05:29,540 --> 00:05:30,589 kind of a slap in the face to 187 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:31,759 everything that I had been working 188 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,259 so hard for my whole life. 189 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:34,759 And this responsibility, I had to 190 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:35,719 get an education. 191 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,909 And so I figured out how to 192 00:05:37,910 --> 00:05:39,739 tell my story to earn admission to 193 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:41,269 college. And that was something I 194 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:42,469 did with law school and something 195 00:05:42,470 --> 00:05:45,319 that I just gosh, I really enjoy 196 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,659 that process of figuring oneself 197 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:48,949 out as it relates to getting into 198 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:50,659 college. And here I am. 199 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:52,309 That's what I do all day, every day 200 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:53,299 for other people. 201 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:55,159 Obviously you had an 202 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,379 experience that obviously 203 00:05:57,380 --> 00:05:59,029 touched you to the point that you 204 00:05:59,030 --> 00:06:01,099 wanted to help other individuals. 205 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:03,409 Why an important one 206 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:05,599 that you wrote this book, but prior 207 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,549 to answering that question, there 208 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:09,409 are other literature that you've 209 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,029 done before. Talk to us about that 210 00:06:11,030 --> 00:06:12,589 before you answer the first 211 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:12,979 question. 212 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:14,869 Sure. So I went 213 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:16,729 to law school without really 214 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:17,869 knowing what I wanted to do as a 215 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:18,799 lawyer. 216 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,079 And I, 217 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,399 on the first day of law school, 218 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,079 realized, gosh, this is in for me. 219 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,189 And I felt very lost. 220 00:06:25,190 --> 00:06:26,779 And so I spent the three years of 221 00:06:26,780 --> 00:06:28,639 law school trying to really figure 222 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,809 out what it is that made me happy or 223 00:06:29,810 --> 00:06:31,159 what am I good at. And I arrived at 224 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,109 the answer of I'm really good at 225 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:34,279 getting into school. 226 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:35,719 Getting school paid for because I 227 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,489 have full scholarship to law school 228 00:06:37,490 --> 00:06:39,199 and getting jobs that everyone else 229 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,669 wants that I just don't like. 230 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:42,499 So that made me ask, why don't 231 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:43,879 I write a book about how to get into 232 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,949 college? And my first book called 233 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:47,989 Earning Admission Real Strategies 234 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:49,219 for Getting into Highly Selective 235 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:51,229 Colleges. I self-published it and 236 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:53,239 I ended up writing about, you know, 237 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,289 for particularly for the 238 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:55,789 Asian-American community, concerns 239 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:58,099 about being overrepresented at 240 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:00,229 selective, selective universities, 241 00:07:00,230 --> 00:07:01,729 about how do you write about your 242 00:07:01,730 --> 00:07:03,619 identity and college applications. 243 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:04,969 And people started calling me asking 244 00:07:04,970 --> 00:07:06,259 if I'd work with their kids. 245 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:08,239 And even though that was a business 246 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,169 and I said, sure. 247 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:11,299 And, you know, you know, 248 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,369 that was in 2016. 249 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:15,199 And over the last seven 250 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,029 years until I wrote the Journey, 251 00:07:17,030 --> 00:07:19,099 what I noticed was that I saw 252 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:21,619 behavior patterns and challenges 253 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:23,149 that young people, even if they were 254 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:24,649 getting if they were being admitted 255 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:26,869 to the University of Texas at Austin 256 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:28,819 or Stanford or Harvard, 257 00:07:28,820 --> 00:07:30,709 that there were serious challenges 258 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:32,719 that they were facing that I 259 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,279 thought could potentially inhibit 260 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,139 them from being a healthy, 261 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:37,639 happy and financially independent 262 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,469 adult. And so I wrote 263 00:07:39,470 --> 00:07:41,359 the journey to encourage 264 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,459 both students and their families 265 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:45,349 to take a long term view on what 266 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:47,119 does it take to be a healthy, happy 267 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,979 and financially independent adult. 268 00:07:48,980 --> 00:07:50,689 And making sure that the parents are 269 00:07:50,690 --> 00:07:52,339 supporting their their kids in 270 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:53,689 healthy ways and that kids are 271 00:07:53,690 --> 00:07:55,759 taking the initiative to grow 272 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,929 into the people that they want to 273 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:57,379 become. 274 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:59,389 Are we starting late, 275 00:07:59,390 --> 00:08:01,309 late being that 276 00:08:01,310 --> 00:08:03,379 student and parents? 277 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:05,269 The child is in high school and 278 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:07,309 they're considering a college 279 00:08:07,310 --> 00:08:08,779 four years down the road. 280 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:10,279 No, you're not starting late. 281 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,109 I think high school is 282 00:08:12,110 --> 00:08:13,789 the perfect time to be mindful 283 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:15,919 because a lot of parents 284 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,329 and I'm on the cusp of becoming one 285 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:19,009 myself. A lot of parents, you want 286 00:08:19,010 --> 00:08:21,229 to do everything you can 287 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:23,179 to help your child grow 288 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:24,169 and succeed. 289 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:25,939 But sometimes that does require you 290 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:27,859 to check yourself and ask, Am I 291 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:29,299 doing too much? 292 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,039 Because when we have 40% of 293 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,168 millennials who are not financially 294 00:08:33,169 --> 00:08:34,849 independent and rely on mom and dad 295 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:36,168 for financial assistance, and again, 296 00:08:36,169 --> 00:08:37,908 it's a tough economy, or you have 297 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:40,029 33% of Gen Z ages 18 298 00:08:40,030 --> 00:08:41,899 to 24 who are neither 299 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:43,819 going to work nor going 300 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:44,629 to school. 301 00:08:44,630 --> 00:08:46,519 We have to ask ourselves what is 302 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,349 inhibiting them from launching on 303 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:50,329 their own. And so it's never too 304 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:51,829 late to start thinking about the 305 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:52,669 long term picture. 306 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:54,559 It's just a call to action to be 307 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,169 mindful of as you're getting ready 308 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:59,119 to send someone off 309 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,919 to school or that journey to get 310 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,629 them to that point is, am I going to 311 00:09:02,630 --> 00:09:04,399 actually help them reach that goal? 312 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,689 Now, where do you start that 313 00:09:05,690 --> 00:09:06,529 process? 314 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:08,479 I would say when you're heading 315 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,039 off to high school and when you're 316 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,629 signing up for classes for freshman 317 00:09:11,630 --> 00:09:12,679 year, it's, you know, we're at the 318 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:13,689 start of a new school year. 319 00:09:13,690 --> 00:09:15,259 It's maybe a month or so in at the 320 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:17,689 time of this conversation is, 321 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:19,309 am I letting my kid figure out how 322 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:20,479 to do their homework on their own? 323 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,339 Am I encouraging them to 324 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:24,169 develop grit? 325 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:25,639 Am I encouraging them to develop 326 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,169 leadership skills and by encouraging 327 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:28,819 them to develop and discover their 328 00:09:28,820 --> 00:09:30,649 passions rather than 329 00:09:30,650 --> 00:09:32,239 just asking like, how do I get my 330 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,339 kid into Rice or Northwestern 331 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:35,209 University? 332 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:36,499 What kinds of conversations are we 333 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:37,879 having with ourselves and our kids? 334 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,469 And so it's never too late. 335 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:41,359 Even if have a child who's a senior 336 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,679 in high school, this is still an 337 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:43,849 appropriate conversation to have. 338 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:45,109 It's never too late to have. 339 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:47,029 Obviously, at a young age, these 340 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:48,589 young people don't know really what 341 00:09:48,590 --> 00:09:49,549 they want to do. 342 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:51,049 But should they have some kind of 343 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:52,639 idea what they want to get out of 344 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,179 life? 345 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:55,279 We're in an era of immense 346 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,499 change, and 347 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,119 that's okay. And I think there's so 348 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,589 much pressure on young people to 349 00:10:00,590 --> 00:10:02,359 say, I don't have it all figured 350 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,589 out. And that gives them so much 351 00:10:03,590 --> 00:10:05,839 anxiety and that is fair. 352 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,699 But I think a better way to reframe 353 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:09,739 it is what kinds of skills 354 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:11,659 or perspective can I be gaining 355 00:10:11,660 --> 00:10:13,669 right now that will allow me 356 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:15,079 when I do figure out what I want out 357 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,099 of life? That I'll be able to do it. 358 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:19,049 And it's never too late to start 359 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:21,089 or early to start discovering it, 360 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:22,829 because when I have a young person 361 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:23,969 in my office, this is I'm thinking 362 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:25,259 about becoming a doctor. 363 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:26,339 It's okay. Why don't we start 364 00:10:26,340 --> 00:10:27,509 volunteering at a hospital and see 365 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:28,349 if you like that? 366 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:29,519 Because if you don't like it, that's 367 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,419 okay. 368 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:31,799 And if you do like it, let's find 369 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,029 other ways for you to develop that. 370 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:35,129 So it's okay not to know 371 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:36,629 what we want to do when we grow up. 372 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:38,279 But what's not okay is not to make 373 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,139 any efforts to try to figure out 374 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:41,489 what we like and just importantly, 375 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:42,449 what we don't like. 376 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:44,699 I assume that the anxiety level 377 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:47,399 is is high, considering 378 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,839 certain students want to go to 379 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,609 certain institutions and that may 380 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:52,289 not be what happens. 381 00:10:52,290 --> 00:10:53,789 How do you how do you navigate 382 00:10:53,790 --> 00:10:55,619 through what you want 383 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:57,209 to do and what you're able to do as 384 00:10:57,210 --> 00:10:58,679 far as attending the college of your 385 00:10:58,680 --> 00:10:59,279 choice? 386 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,179 Great question. 387 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:02,189 I'm so glad you asked that. 388 00:11:02,190 --> 00:11:04,229 Where one goes to college is not 389 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:05,489 who they will become. 390 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:06,959 And there is not one college that 391 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,369 has a monopoly on the path to 392 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:10,079 success. I tell every school we work 393 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,099 with and I write about this in the 394 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:13,679 book. I had better job prospects 395 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,779 coming out of an unranked law school 396 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:17,639 at the time, which was UC Irvine, 397 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,839 than I did coming out of the Warren 398 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,219 School of Business at Penn. 399 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:22,169 And so I'm not a school 400 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:23,849 snob. And I think there's so much 401 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:25,259 pressure and I think a lot of 402 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:27,149 parents think if my kid goes 403 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:29,039 to fill in the name of the blank 404 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,419 fancy school, that they'll be set 405 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:32,639 for life. That's not how it works. 406 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,199 It's about making the most of that. 407 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,149 There are more graduates from 408 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:37,949 San Jose State University, the 409 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:39,479 university that some of the audience 410 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,709 may have never even heard of before 411 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:42,569 working in Silicon Valley than 412 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:44,129 there are from the entire Ivy League 413 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:45,719 put together. And I think we need to 414 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,639 have these kinds of conversations. 415 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,259 Let's do your best to make this 416 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:51,179 process work for you, because once 417 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:52,709 you adopt that mindset, it does take 418 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:54,369 off so much of the pressure and it 419 00:11:54,370 --> 00:11:56,369 lessens the anxiety because if 420 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:57,569 the anxiety is, I'm not going to be 421 00:11:57,570 --> 00:11:58,739 successful unless I go to that 422 00:11:58,740 --> 00:11:59,969 school, that's not true. 423 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:01,979 Obviously, the cost of a 424 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:03,809 college degree is is 425 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,909 more expensive than it has been 426 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:07,019 in years past. 427 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:09,029 Is that a consideration 428 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:10,259 in this process? 429 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:11,249 It should be. 430 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:13,589 It absolutely should be, because 431 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:15,509 student loans and the 432 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:17,579 trillions of dollars that Americans 433 00:12:17,580 --> 00:12:19,439 hold in it are inhibiting 434 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,629 them from chasing their dreams. 435 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:23,849 It's very hard to go start 436 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:25,949 a business or to go pursue 437 00:12:25,950 --> 00:12:27,629 higher education or to potentially 438 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:29,459 consider buying a home as 439 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:31,919 expensive as that is today in 2024. 440 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,869 When you have significant 441 00:12:33,870 --> 00:12:35,639 student loans. So I think part of 442 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,469 this discussion for college and 443 00:12:37,470 --> 00:12:38,699 where we're applying to should also 444 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:40,619 be what makes financial sense. 445 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:42,689 For me, as a 17 446 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:44,429 year old today and for my parents 447 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:46,199 and also for the type of life I want 448 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,149 to be living when I'm 25, 35, 449 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:49,979 45, and being honest with 450 00:12:49,980 --> 00:12:51,719 ourselves about the return on 451 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,159 investment. So we do need to be 452 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,659 mindful about the cost. 453 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:55,709 And when we think about a college 454 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:56,999 education, it's an investment of 455 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,519 time of also financial resources. 456 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,319 One way to maximize that investment 457 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,699 is to decrease the cost. 458 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,589 Now, you articulated that when 459 00:13:04,590 --> 00:13:06,089 you went to a guidance counselor 460 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:07,619 while you're in high school. 461 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,539 Obviously that individual 462 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:11,519 didn't have time to to to 463 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,589 talk to you about your 464 00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:15,269 future choices. 465 00:13:15,270 --> 00:13:17,369 High schools able to 466 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:19,259 to to give students 467 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:21,149 some good advice as far 468 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:23,249 as leading them towards the 469 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:25,469 knowledgeable conclusion of 470 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:26,789 what they want to do with their life 471 00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:28,559 and colleges they want to attain. 472 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,509 There are some amazing guidance 473 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:31,589 counselors out there, and they're 474 00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:33,779 amazing public, private, parochial 475 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:34,799 schools. 476 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,139 I think today what schools 477 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:39,779 are feeling so much stress 478 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:41,489 with the mental health crisis that's 479 00:13:41,490 --> 00:13:43,859 plaguing young Americans today 480 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:45,839 and in the shortfalls 481 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,999 that became very pronounced 482 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,919 during the pandemic with Curriculum 483 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,209 Foundation. So I think a lot of 484 00:13:51,210 --> 00:13:53,129 counselors every day are 485 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:54,659 doing triage with students to make 486 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:56,429 sure that they're healthy and that 487 00:13:56,430 --> 00:13:57,359 they're going to graduate high 488 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,219 school. And as a result, that the 489 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:01,019 journey to college sometimes takes a 490 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:01,889 back seat. 491 00:14:01,890 --> 00:14:03,539 And I'm not blaming schools 492 00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:04,649 whatsoever. I think they're doing 493 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:05,909 everything we can and they're being 494 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:07,289 asked to do too much. 495 00:14:07,290 --> 00:14:09,149 And there are so many attacks on 496 00:14:09,150 --> 00:14:10,679 school administrators over 497 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:12,749 curriculum in the culture wars, over 498 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:14,549 book bands and things like that. 499 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:16,829 And so I think it's 500 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:18,269 I don't I don't know if schools have 501 00:14:18,270 --> 00:14:19,469 the bandwidth. 502 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:21,359 And so it really does become 503 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,069 important for families to take the 504 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:24,929 lead on this because 505 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:26,609 we can't assume that the school 506 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:28,679 counselors, while they may have your 507 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,269 kids best interests at heart, just 508 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:32,099 may not have the ability to have 509 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:33,989 these types of conversations just by 510 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:36,059 the nature of what schools 511 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:37,159 are facing today. 512 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,459 Yeah, I understand. 513 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:39,599 It was just joining us. 514 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,399 I'm John L. Hanson Jr. and you're 515 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,229 listening to In Black America from 516 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:44,230 KUT Radio. 517 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,859 And we're speaking with Greg Kaplan, 518 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:48,749 founder of Capital Education 519 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:50,639 Group and author of The Journey: How 520 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,769 to Prepare Kids for a Competitive 521 00:14:52,770 --> 00:14:54,329 and Changing World. 522 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:56,159 Mr. Kaplan, when you look back 523 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,259 at your experience and looking 524 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:00,149 at today's students, 525 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:02,339 when should individuals start 526 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:04,019 taking those tests? 527 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:06,029 The ACT and the SAT. 528 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:07,619 I'm glad you bring that up because 529 00:15:07,620 --> 00:15:08,729 there's a lot of confusion today 530 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:10,739 about the ACTU, the ACTU. 531 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:12,029 And the first is, should my child 532 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:13,259 even take it to begin with? 533 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:15,299 Some schools. 534 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:16,319 Particularly the most selective 535 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,179 school United States think the Ivies 536 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:20,069 and the schools in the South, like 537 00:15:20,070 --> 00:15:21,869 the University of Georgia or Georgia 538 00:15:21,870 --> 00:15:23,039 Tech. These schools have 539 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,959 re-introduced testing 540 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,459 requirements as part of their 541 00:15:26,460 --> 00:15:27,659 admissions process to even be 542 00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:29,339 admitted. But what I always tell 543 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:31,499 folks is that the 544 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,629 city or city are one of the primary 545 00:15:33,630 --> 00:15:35,159 factors for merit scholarships at 546 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,989 universities that offer it, because 547 00:15:36,990 --> 00:15:38,909 colleges are ranked in large part 548 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:40,439 on their incoming class average for 549 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,309 test scores. 550 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:42,929 And so if you are concerned about 551 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:44,579 the cost of college, which everyone 552 00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:45,899 should be given, how expensive is 553 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:47,549 today? One of the best ways to 554 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:48,929 minimize the cost of it is by 555 00:15:48,930 --> 00:15:50,909 getting a test score that is above 556 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:51,989 the average of that school. 557 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:54,269 And so we encourage every student 558 00:15:54,270 --> 00:15:56,219 that we work with at a minimum, to 559 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:57,539 take a diagnostic S.A.T. 560 00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:59,609 or AZT when they are 561 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,979 taking Algebra two or integrated 562 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:02,819 math three. 563 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:03,719 If they're on a Common Core 564 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:04,979 curriculum, that could be in 10th 565 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:07,079 grade, that could be in 11th grade. 566 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,179 So it depends on the math foundation 567 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:11,069 of the of the student or the 568 00:16:11,070 --> 00:16:13,289 applicant. And if 569 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:14,789 they want to go to a very selective 570 00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:15,989 school, they should plan on studying 571 00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:18,089 for it, because 75% of students 572 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:20,099 who apply to selective universities 573 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:21,089 submit a test scores. 574 00:16:21,090 --> 00:16:22,709 And again, it is one of the primary 575 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:24,329 factors for merit scholarships. 576 00:16:24,330 --> 00:16:26,879 And so on the subject of cost. 577 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,129 A student who gets a 1400 578 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:31,439 on the S.A.T. or 32 on the A.C.T. 579 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,209 can go to the University of Alabama 580 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:35,459 with a, I believe, $30,000 581 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:36,509 merit scholarship per year 582 00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:37,979 automatically. The same is true with 583 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:39,029 the University of Arizona. 584 00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:40,919 So the tuition is now even for 585 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:41,999 out-of-state applicants, less than 586 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,069 $3,000 per year. 587 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:45,779 And so I always tell students 588 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:47,839 there's very little we can do unless 589 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,219 I become a famous tik-tok influencer 590 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:52,079 where they could spend 100 hours 591 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,579 studying for test and maybe pay for 592 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:55,769 100,000 plus or more college. 593 00:16:55,770 --> 00:16:57,539 So I think it's a really good use of 594 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:58,019 time. 595 00:16:58,020 --> 00:16:59,609 As you say that. 596 00:16:59,610 --> 00:17:01,739 What are the courses that 597 00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:03,689 students should consider taking 598 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,549 if they're going to go to college? 599 00:17:05,550 --> 00:17:06,868 You remember when I was in high 600 00:17:06,869 --> 00:17:09,059 school to college prep courses, 601 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:11,159 but there are other courses nowadays 602 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,049 that students would need 603 00:17:13,050 --> 00:17:14,848 to take in order to increase the 604 00:17:14,849 --> 00:17:16,769 chances of actually attending 605 00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:17,469 college. 606 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:19,049 That is different for every single 607 00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:20,969 school here in California. 608 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:22,949 There are an aide through G. 609 00:17:22,950 --> 00:17:25,169 We use letters Acer G, 610 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:27,088 A's, history, B is English, so 611 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:29,339 on and so on. And so it depends 612 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:30,809 on your goals. 613 00:17:30,810 --> 00:17:32,879 But what I would say is 614 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,309 the California state standards 615 00:17:35,310 --> 00:17:37,319 for college admission work 616 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,029 for every single state in the United 617 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:39,959 States because they're the most 618 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,129 stringent, because the University of 619 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:43,209 California system is receive 620 00:17:43,210 --> 00:17:44,069 the most applicants. 621 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:45,479 So the standards in terms of the 622 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,319 specific courses. 623 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,119 So that's four years of English. 624 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,199 That's three years of math. 625 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,549 That's two years of a lab science, 626 00:17:50,550 --> 00:17:52,019 two years of a world language. 627 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:53,279 Those are really great standards. 628 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,139 Three years of a history, 629 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:55,949 one year of an hour. 630 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:57,239 And that's what we tell all students 631 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:57,749 to do. 632 00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:59,769 The elephant in the room is race. 633 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:00,869 Now that most colleges and 634 00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:02,939 universities can't use race as part 635 00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:05,039 of their mission criteria, 636 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,019 how is that changing the landscape 637 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:09,149 of what you do in overall 638 00:18:09,150 --> 00:18:10,889 institutions of higher learning? 639 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:12,869 I'm glad you asked that question. 640 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:13,829 The U.S. 641 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:15,029 Department of Education. 642 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:16,619 So we're having this conversation 643 00:18:16,620 --> 00:18:17,969 and we're recording this in 644 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:19,529 September of 2024. 645 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:21,749 And the Department of Education, 646 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:23,429 the role of race in college 647 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:25,049 admissions. Affirmative action was 648 00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:26,279 deemed constitutionally 649 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,379 impermissible by 650 00:18:28,380 --> 00:18:30,119 the current U.S. 651 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,309 Supreme Court, overturning 652 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:34,559 over 25 years of jurisprudence 653 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,719 where it was deemed permissible 654 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,059 because of the value that 655 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:41,489 diversity plays in higher education. 656 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:43,499 And it was hard to see the data 657 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:44,939 that just came out in the last 30 658 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:47,909 days that showed enrollment 659 00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:50,699 of historically underrepresented 660 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:52,289 backgrounds, particularly 661 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:54,659 African-Americans and Hispanic 662 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,829 Americans, has fallen precipitously 663 00:18:56,830 --> 00:18:58,049 at top, you know, at the most 664 00:18:58,050 --> 00:18:59,069 selective university. 665 00:18:59,070 --> 00:19:00,899 And so what I 666 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:02,919 tell folks, and this is also 667 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,829 true by a ballot box 668 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:06,929 initiative in 1996, 669 00:19:06,930 --> 00:19:08,849 in California, when voters 670 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:10,739 went to the polls to vote against 671 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:12,479 using affirmative action in 672 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,679 undergraduate education. 673 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,929 So we are seeing declines 674 00:19:15,930 --> 00:19:17,039 in enrollments. 675 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,289 The groups that I think 676 00:19:19,290 --> 00:19:20,999 stand to benefit the most from 677 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,829 having policies designed to 678 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:24,419 make sure that that these 679 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:26,489 universities reflect the broader 680 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:27,959 makeup of our country. 681 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,129 And I think you're going to see 682 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:31,049 those declines continue, 683 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:33,389 which is going to undermine 684 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:35,789 the integrity of these universities. 685 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:37,229 I think with what's been going on 686 00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:39,689 with all these campus protests over, 687 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:40,709 you know, the response to the 688 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:42,629 terrorist attack in Israel is 689 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:44,489 that colleges are very 690 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:45,989 scared to come out and make any 691 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:47,369 political statements whatsoever. 692 00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:48,779 Right now, the University of 693 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:50,879 Pennsylvania at Harvard both banned 694 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,859 any form of a response to any 695 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:55,289 political circumstances 696 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:56,819 that don't affect the universities 697 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:58,019 because of the protests that have 698 00:19:58,020 --> 00:19:59,219 happened. So I think colleges are 699 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:01,109 being very cautious. 700 00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:02,879 There are certain special interest 701 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,469 groups that are committed to 702 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:07,109 abolishing any form of considering 703 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:09,149 race in life. 704 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:10,019 They're the ones that brought the 705 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:11,639 lawsuit to end affirmative action 706 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,469 there. They're under constant threat 707 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:15,009 of being sued by these groups. 708 00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:16,239 We're now going to be targeting law 709 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,889 firms, investment banks. 710 00:20:17,890 --> 00:20:20,289 And. And I think we need to be. 711 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:22,179 What what this says is like, 712 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:24,129 you know, there are I have 713 00:20:24,130 --> 00:20:26,229 my opinions and 714 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:28,209 others may disagree, but 715 00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:29,739 what I think this makes is so 716 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:31,809 important is if we are committed 717 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:33,729 to making sure that everyone 718 00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:34,989 has a fair shake. 719 00:20:34,990 --> 00:20:36,849 Getting into these universities is 720 00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:38,349 that, again, it's going to come down 721 00:20:38,350 --> 00:20:39,369 to families to make sure that 722 00:20:39,370 --> 00:20:40,689 they're more prepared. 723 00:20:40,690 --> 00:20:42,309 Because I don't think we can assume 724 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:44,019 that colleges are going to be able 725 00:20:44,020 --> 00:20:45,669 to go to the lengths that they've 726 00:20:45,670 --> 00:20:47,409 done in the past to ensure that 727 00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:48,759 everyone has access to schools. 728 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,959 So we may have to work a little 729 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,489 harder. And I don't. 730 00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:53,379 I think that, you 731 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,369 know, some. 732 00:20:54,370 --> 00:20:56,499 And again, the audience, 733 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,329 like you and I may say that that's 734 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:00,099 and that's that's unfortunate. 735 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:01,239 And others on the other side of this 736 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,469 issue might say, well that's you 737 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,299 know, this is what we believe in is 738 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:05,109 fair. 739 00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:06,639 I think it just again, it puts the 740 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,079 responsibility on us and we're going 741 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,279 to just have to work a little harder 742 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,469 to make sure that as a society 743 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:12,669 we can still maintain this. 744 00:21:12,670 --> 00:21:14,529 And so I think rather 745 00:21:14,530 --> 00:21:15,969 than be discouraged by these 746 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:17,799 changes, I think which forces us to 747 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,449 double down and work a little harder 748 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:21,819 and and I and I hope folks 749 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:23,559 rise to the moment, even if it 750 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,849 doesn't feel fair. 751 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:26,769 And the stand, I guess, 752 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:28,329 is an individual choice. 753 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:30,279 Would you suggest individual 754 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,349 student, high school students maybe 755 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:34,239 take a half year off or a year off 756 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,189 prior to going to college 757 00:21:36,190 --> 00:21:37,239 or should have just to be a 758 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,079 continual. 759 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,089 You know, in Europe, gap years 760 00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:41,229 are quite common. 761 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:43,179 And I and the 762 00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:44,469 the folks I went to college with 763 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,209 particularly year off I think had 764 00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:47,889 such a stronger sense of self going 765 00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:49,029 into college and got so much more 766 00:21:49,030 --> 00:21:50,259 out. I'll be honest, I didn't know 767 00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:52,119 myself at 18 and so going 768 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,009 to college was awesome as it was. 769 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:55,389 I think a six months or a year 770 00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:56,919 probably would have allowed me. 771 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,479 Empowered me to get so much more out 772 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,249 of it. So I think for for folks who 773 00:22:00,250 --> 00:22:01,749 are willing to take a gap year, it's 774 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:03,639 a fantastic opportunity to grow and 775 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,539 make the most of college. 776 00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:06,429 You can apply to college, get in 777 00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:08,049 and request a gap year. 778 00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:09,669 As long as you are not proposing you 779 00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:10,989 do something illegal. 780 00:22:10,990 --> 00:22:12,819 I go join a cartel or, you know, 781 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:14,889 whatever it is. Acquiring something. 782 00:22:14,890 --> 00:22:15,999 Where is that? 783 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,379 You can they're going to grant it 784 00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:19,299 because typically schools want 785 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,129 to see students grow before they 786 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:22,509 show up. So or you could take a year 787 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,279 off, figure out life and then apply. 788 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,199 So we are very pro 789 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,209 gap year as an organization because 790 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:29,559 I think it allows young people to 791 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,089 gain a lot more life experience to 792 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:32,679 get the most out of college. 793 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,479 Is an addendum to to that that 794 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,379 question. 795 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:37,329 Individuals who have not 796 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:39,249 been away from their parents for any 797 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:41,229 length of time, how 798 00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:43,239 well do they do once they 799 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,229 go off to college? 800 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,929 Or is is that even a consideration? 801 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,279 I think this goes back to that 802 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,839 earlier point about that I was 803 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,819 raising about knowing when to hold 804 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:53,889 back as a parent is that 805 00:22:53,890 --> 00:22:55,689 in this era of. 806 00:22:55,690 --> 00:22:56,889 You know, it's not helicopter 807 00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:57,759 parenting anymore. 808 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,169 It's snowplow parenting where it's 809 00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:00,789 you remove every single obstacle 810 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:02,679 from a child's path can 811 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,449 be function in the real world. 812 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:06,039 Dropout rates are increasing in 813 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,299 colleges because young people aren't 814 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:08,199 equipped to deal with the 815 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,669 challenges. I think it's getting 816 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:11,409 kids ready when they're at the tail 817 00:23:11,410 --> 00:23:13,119 end of high school to go off and be 818 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,709 somewhat semi-independent adults in 819 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:15,999 university. That's really, really 820 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,259 important to make sure that they are 821 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:17,979 equipped. 822 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:19,899 Mr. Kaplan, well, one comes to 823 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,639 you for advice. 824 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,619 One of the some of the first things 825 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:25,509 that you try to ascertain from them, 826 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:26,499 and it says. 827 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,239 The first question I ask every young 828 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,889 person is not where do they want to 829 00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:31,479 go to college? It's what do you see 830 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,279 yourself doing in ten years? 831 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,119 What do you see yourself up to? 832 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:34,959 What do you think would make you 833 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,759 happy? And the reason why it's like 834 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,899 it's okay not to know what you want 835 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:40,119 to do, but if we are not thinking 836 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,949 about developing skills and the 837 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:43,869 perspective we need to make 838 00:23:43,870 --> 00:23:45,789 this journey work for them when they 839 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:47,709 graduate at 22, they may be lost. 840 00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:49,809 And to me that is a bigger challenge 841 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:51,189 than are they going to college. 842 00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:52,839 So that's what I'm always trying to 843 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,829 ascertain. 844 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:55,509 And then also it's making sure that 845 00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:57,069 they're engaging in experiences that 846 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:58,809 I think will allow them to grow to 847 00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:00,159 do well in the college admissions 848 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,569 process and in life. 849 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:03,429 So we tell all young people that 850 00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:04,239 in the three. 851 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,159 The three tenets of the journey 852 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,319 are grit, leadership, passion. 853 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,519 We are encouraging every young 854 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,409 person to get a part time job 855 00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:12,639 so they can develop career and learn 856 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,959 how to deal with the real world. 857 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,249 We're encouraging every young person 858 00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:16,479 to get involved in their community 859 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,709 through service because that's the 860 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:18,849 way they can become leaders. 861 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:19,929 And then we're encouraging every 862 00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:21,729 young person to explore their 863 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:23,589 interests so they can start figuring 864 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:25,029 out what they want to do in life. 865 00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:26,379 And then their education starts to 866 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:27,849 come in to focus. 867 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:30,039 Besides the academic pursuit 868 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,989 that obviously these 869 00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:33,939 young people are going through 870 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,889 in high school, are there any 871 00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:37,929 of the activities that will put 872 00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:39,849 them in good stead with them 873 00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:40,989 when they go off to college? 874 00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:42,789 As far as good activities. 875 00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:44,169 Above and beyond, like the three 876 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:45,819 major food groups, great leadership, 877 00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:47,739 passion, I would 878 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:50,049 say colleges love 879 00:24:50,050 --> 00:24:51,519 to see when young people take 880 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,379 community college classes in 881 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:54,789 the summers as a way to enhance 882 00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:55,869 their transcript and show that 883 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:56,799 they're going deeper into their 884 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,609 academic interest. 885 00:24:57,610 --> 00:24:58,959 That's a great way for a young 886 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,889 person that may want to be an 887 00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:01,989 engineer or go into broadcast 888 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:03,969 journalism taking a communication 889 00:25:03,970 --> 00:25:05,079 class. So do I like this? 890 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,219 Do I not like this? Are colleges 891 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:06,999 love that? 892 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,499 I mean, I think colleges really do 893 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,179 like to see when it comes to being 894 00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:11,619 involved in your community, to be a 895 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:12,819 leader, you don't need to be student 896 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:14,199 council president or team captain of 897 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,229 a sport. 898 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:17,059 You do need to be growing 899 00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:17,909 in your own way. 900 00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:20,299 And so there's no set requirement 901 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,949 of activities or types of 902 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:22,789 activities. 903 00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:24,619 The ones that make sense for who 904 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:25,669 you're trying to become. 905 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:26,719 And that's why it's so important to 906 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,579 be thoughtful about what it 907 00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:30,319 is that I'm seeking to do as part of 908 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,169 this process. 909 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:32,719 A couple more questions Mr. Kaplan, 910 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,369 is there any one or a couple of 911 00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:36,109 things that give you pause when 912 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:37,999 these young people and parents come 913 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,719 to you? 914 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,699 I think the obsession over name 915 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,589 brand universities always gives me 916 00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:44,989 pause because this mentality 917 00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:46,879 that if I go to X school, 918 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,889 I have to go to X school to to do Y 919 00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:50,689 thing in life. That's not true. 920 00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:51,889 And I think that's what creates so 921 00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:53,089 much anxiety. 922 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:54,919 I think what we're seeing a 923 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,749 lot of now, and that's all I've been 924 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:58,189 doing with this week, is you have 925 00:25:58,190 --> 00:26:00,529 students who the 926 00:26:00,530 --> 00:26:02,239 D get a tough math class or tough 927 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,739 English class, and they just want to 928 00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:05,509 drop out. They're just like, I can't 929 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:06,499 be in something that's super 930 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:08,749 challenging because it's 931 00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:11,059 it's it's it's too stressful. 932 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:12,349 It's one thing to say I need to go 933 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:14,179 down to a lower 934 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:16,069 level class if I'm not prepared 935 00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:17,419 for an upper level one. 936 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:18,889 But to sit there and say like, I 937 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:20,089 don't want to face any type of 938 00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:21,679 adversity, I'm worried. 939 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,569 Are we losing the ability to 940 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:24,499 persevere? 941 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,509 Because, again, I respect 942 00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:28,429 the stress that comes with that we 943 00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:30,469 need to address with mental 944 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:32,119 health. But I don't think there's a 945 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,829 license to say let's just remove 946 00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:35,119 every challenge in life. 947 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,429 Speaking of stress, obviously 948 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:38,809 there were some problems with, I 949 00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:41,329 guess, the financial assistance 950 00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:43,009 or aid program that the government 951 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:45,109 rolled. How is this basically 952 00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:46,999 stressing out parents to get 953 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,919 that information in and also 954 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,809 get a resolution of 955 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:51,919 their requests? 956 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,449 Absolutely. Great question. 957 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:55,309 Last year, the Department 958 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:57,559 of Education rolled out a new 959 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,509 platform for applying for financial 960 00:26:59,510 --> 00:27:01,579 aid, and that's called FAFSA. 961 00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:03,439 And Fafsa, as a 962 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,479 result of it being so 963 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,249 delayed, a lot of folks didn't know 964 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:08,569 if they were going to qualify for a 965 00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:09,829 for need based financial aid at the 966 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:10,969 universities that they were applying 967 00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:12,889 to. And so colleges did work 968 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:14,839 longer to make sure and give 969 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,879 extensions for students to work 970 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,349 with the universities to determine 971 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:20,029 if they would be eligible for 972 00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:20,809 financial aid. 973 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:22,369 I hope those kinks have been worked 974 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:23,509 out this year. 975 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,729 The new the system, 976 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:27,379 the worked on it this year it's 977 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,119 being relaunched in the fall and 978 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:29,929 we're just going to have to wait and 979 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:30,799 see. 980 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,899 Greg Kaplan, founder of the Kaplan 981 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:34,969 Educational Group and author 982 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:36,799 up The Journey: How to Prepare 983 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,809 Kids for a Competitive and Changing 984 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:39,709 World. 985 00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:41,179 And if you have questions, comments 986 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:43,009 or suggestions as to the future In 987 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:45,199 Black America programs, email 988 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,200 us at inblackamerica@kut.org. 989 00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:51,469 Also, let us know what radio station 990 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:52,879 you heard us over. 991 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,349 Don't forget to subscribe to our 992 00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:56,359 podcast and follow us 993 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,360 on Facebook and X. 994 00:27:58,550 --> 00:28:00,379 You can hear our programs online 995 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:01,380 at kut.org. 996 00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:04,729 Also, you can listen to a special 997 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:06,319 collection of In Black America 998 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,389 program at American Archive 999 00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:09,390 of Public Broadcasting. 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