Miles Bloxson: I'm Miles Bloxson.
Elizabeth McQueen: And I'm Elizabeth
Elizabeth McQueen: McQueen. And this
Elizabeth McQueen: is Paws Play, a
Elizabeth McQueen: podcast about live
Elizabeth McQueen: music, why it
Elizabeth McQueen: matters, and what
Elizabeth McQueen: comes next.
Miles Bloxson: This season, we're
Miles Bloxson: looking at how different
Miles Bloxson: global and local
Miles Bloxson: changes are impacting
Miles Bloxson: Austin's live music
Miles Bloxson: scene.
Elizabeth McQueen: In our last episode,
Elizabeth McQueen: we talked about climate
Elizabeth McQueen: change.
Miles Bloxson: And for the next two
Miles Bloxson: episodes, we'll be
Miles Bloxson: exploring how recent
Miles Bloxson: changes to some of
Miles Bloxson: the laws in Texas are
Miles Bloxson: affecting our scene,
Miles Bloxson: and specifically how
Miles Bloxson: they're impacting women
Miles Bloxson: and members of the
Miles Bloxson: LGBTQIA+
Miles Bloxson: community.
Elizabeth McQueen: Initially, we
Elizabeth McQueen: thought this would be one
Elizabeth McQueen: episode, but then
Elizabeth McQueen: we realized that
Elizabeth McQueen: each topic needed
Elizabeth McQueen: its own episode
Elizabeth McQueen: because these are
Elizabeth McQueen: intense, important,
Elizabeth McQueen: and complicated
Elizabeth McQueen: issues.
Miles Bloxson: In this particular
Miles Bloxson: episode, we're going
Miles Bloxson: to explore how Texass
Miles Bloxson: ban on abortions is
Miles Bloxson: impacting women in
Miles Bloxson: our scene.
Elizabeth McQueen: And in the next one,
Elizabeth McQueen: we'll look at how proposed
Elizabeth McQueen: restrictions on drag
Elizabeth McQueen: performances and
Elizabeth McQueen: the ban on gender
Elizabeth McQueen: affirming care for
Elizabeth McQueen: minors is
Elizabeth McQueen: affecting members
Elizabeth McQueen: of the LGBTQIa
Elizabeth McQueen: plus community.
Miles Bloxson: In 2022, the Supreme
Miles Bloxson: Court overturned Roe
Miles Bloxson: versus Wade, which
Miles Bloxson: allowed states to
Miles Bloxson: create and enforce
Miles Bloxson: their own abortion
Miles Bloxson: laws. This triggered
Miles Bloxson: a law that was already
Miles Bloxson: on the books from 2021
Miles Bloxson: that made nearly all
Miles Bloxson: abortions illegal in
Miles Bloxson: Texas.
Elizabeth McQueen: We asked our good friend
Elizabeth McQueen: Sergio to help us
Elizabeth McQueen: understand the abortion
Elizabeth McQueen: ban.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Yes, my name
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: is Sergio Martinez
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Beltran, and
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: I'm a national correspondent
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: with NPR,
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and I cover immigration
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: now, but
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: used to be at the Texas
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Newsroom, which is
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: a collaboration of
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: public radio stations
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in Texas for
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: two years.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Sergio was
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: covering the legislature
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: when Roe versus Wade
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: was overturned,
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and he told us
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: what the law means
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: for women in Texas.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: It's very simple.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Abortions
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: are
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: basically banned
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in the state of Texas
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: unless the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: women is at
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: risk, like her, life
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: is at risk.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: There are no exceptions
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: for rape or incest
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: like in other
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: states.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: It's pretty much if the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: woman is
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: about to die,
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then an abortion
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: could happen.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: If she has a chance
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: of not dying,
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then they
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: have to continue with
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the pregnancy.
Elizabeth McQueen: The law also says
Elizabeth McQueen: that if a woman
Elizabeth McQueen: is at risk of,
Elizabeth McQueen: quote, substantial
Elizabeth McQueen: impairment of a
Elizabeth McQueen: major bodily
Elizabeth McQueen: function, then an
Elizabeth McQueen: abortion can be
Elizabeth McQueen: performed.
Elizabeth McQueen: But that wording
Elizabeth McQueen: is not well
Elizabeth McQueen: defined in the law.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: In December of
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: 2023, a
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pregnant woman named
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Kate Cox
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: challenged Texass
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion law.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: A medical doctor
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had told her she
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had a non-viable
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pregnancy,
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and so she
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: needed to have an
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion, and
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: she sued
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the state
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: to try to get
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the care she needed.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: A court said yes
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: initially, and
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: appeals process continued.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: And, takes
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the Supreme Court
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pretty much said that
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: she, you
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: know, they understood
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: her concerns.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: But what the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: evidence presented by the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: doctor was not clear.
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: So long story
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: short, Kate Cox
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: could not
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: receive treatment
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in the state, so she
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had to leave the state
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: of Texas
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and get the
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion somewhere
Sergio Martinez-Beltran: else.
Elizabeth McQueen: So abortions have
Elizabeth McQueen: become extremely
Elizabeth McQueen: rare in Texas.
Miles Bloxson: According to the Texas
Miles Bloxson: Department of Health
Miles Bloxson: and Human Services.
Miles Bloxson: In 2021, there were
Miles Bloxson: over 50,000 abortions
Miles Bloxson: provided in our
Miles Bloxson: state.
Elizabeth McQueen: In 2023, there
Elizabeth McQueen: were 62.
Miles Bloxson: The nearest place to
Miles Bloxson: Austin where a woman
Miles Bloxson: can get a legal
Miles Bloxson: abortion is either
Miles Bloxson: 550 miles away
Miles Bloxson: in Wichita, Kansas,
Miles Bloxson: or 590 miles away
Miles Bloxson: in Santa Teresa, New
Miles Bloxson: Mexico.
Elizabeth McQueen: And for some Texans,
Elizabeth McQueen: this is a big win.
Elizabeth McQueen: This is our governor,
Elizabeth McQueen: Greg Abbott at
Elizabeth McQueen: the rally for life
Elizabeth McQueen: in 2023.
Greg Abbott: All of us are united by
Greg Abbott: the truth that our
Greg Abbott: creator endowed us with
Greg Abbott: the right to life.
Greg Abbott: And there is no freedom
Greg Abbott: more precious than life
Greg Abbott: itself.
Greg Abbott: But this is my sad
Greg Abbott: reality.
Greg Abbott: For millions of
Greg Abbott: children, we're losing
Greg Abbott: their lives every year
Greg Abbott: in Texas before they
Greg Abbott: were even born.
Greg Abbott: But not
Greg Abbott: any more in
Greg Abbott: Texas.
Greg Abbott: Because of your
Greg Abbott: decades.
Greg Abbott: Decades of advocating
Greg Abbott: for life.
Greg Abbott: Abortion is no
Greg Abbott: longer legal in Texas.
Miles Bloxson: We wanted to know how
Miles Bloxson: this law was affecting
Miles Bloxson: women in the Austin
Miles Bloxson: music scene.
Elizabeth McQueen: We heard stories
Elizabeth McQueen: of women canceling
Elizabeth McQueen: shows because they
Elizabeth McQueen: had to travel to New
Elizabeth McQueen: Mexico to get an
Elizabeth McQueen: abortion, or of
Elizabeth McQueen: women helping other
Elizabeth McQueen: women get access
Elizabeth McQueen: to abortion care.
Elizabeth McQueen: But it was hard to get
Elizabeth McQueen: people to talk to us
Elizabeth McQueen: on the record.
Miles Bloxson: But some women did
Miles Bloxson: feel comfortable speaking
Miles Bloxson: with us about how
Miles Bloxson: these abortion laws
Miles Bloxson: are affecting our
Miles Bloxson: music scene.
Elizabeth McQueen: The first woman we
Elizabeth McQueen: spoke to was
Elizabeth McQueen: Adrian.
Adrienne Lake: I'm Adrienne Lake.
Adrienne Lake: I'm the co-owner of
Adrienne Lake: Daydream Believer
Adrienne Lake: Creative with my
Adrienne Lake: partner Charlie Faye,
Adrienne Lake: and we are music
Adrienne Lake: consultants and we
Adrienne Lake: work with music
Adrienne Lake: businesses, nonprofits
Adrienne Lake: and artists.
Adrienne Lake: And we do just a
Adrienne Lake: little bit of whatever
Adrienne Lake: anybody needs.
Adrienne Lake: A lot of consulting,
Adrienne Lake: some PR
Adrienne Lake: they even, produced a
Adrienne Lake: video here and there,
Adrienne Lake: you know, you name
Adrienne Lake: it, we probably do
Adrienne Lake: it.
Miles Bloxson: We asked Adrian how
Miles Bloxson: she felt when the
Miles Bloxson: Texas abortion law
Miles Bloxson: came down.
Adrienne Lake: It was like a punch
Adrienne Lake: to the gut. You know,
Adrienne Lake: on on one hand.
Adrienne Lake: This is what's been
Adrienne Lake: happening. We've seen
Adrienne Lake: these restrictions
Adrienne Lake: happening with, you
Adrienne Lake: know, the queer community
Adrienne Lake: and, voter
Adrienne Lake: suppression.
Adrienne Lake: And,
Adrienne Lake: so the war on all
Adrienne Lake: these folks and now
Adrienne Lake: the war on women, no
Adrienne Lake: bodily autonomy.
Adrienne Lake: And that's that's
Adrienne Lake: absolutely
Adrienne Lake: devastating.
Adrienne Lake: So when
Adrienne Lake: it happened, there
Adrienne Lake: were a lot of conversations
Adrienne Lake: in person and online,
Adrienne Lake: people saying they were
Adrienne Lake: packing up and
Adrienne Lake: leaving, hearing
Adrienne Lake: men saying, well,
Adrienne Lake: it's time for that mastectomy.
Adrienne Lake: And, actually hearing
Adrienne Lake: women saying, you
Adrienne Lake: know, I guess
Adrienne Lake: we're going to have,
Adrienne Lake: you know, surgery to
Adrienne Lake: make sure that we
Adrienne Lake: aren't forced into a
Adrienne Lake: bad situation.
Adrienne Lake: And that was before
Adrienne Lake: the Kate Cox
Adrienne Lake: situation.
Adrienne Lake: And so we just
Adrienne Lake: recently watched all
Adrienne Lake: those fears be
Adrienne Lake: completely validated.
Elizabeth McQueen: Can you describe what
Elizabeth McQueen: that felt like,
Elizabeth McQueen: seeing that
Elizabeth McQueen: situation unfold?
Adrienne Lake: Well, again.
Adrienne Lake: Just completely.
Adrienne Lake: Devastating.
Adrienne Lake: It's really hard to
Adrienne Lake: wrap your head around
Adrienne Lake: these people in
Adrienne Lake: charge of controlling
Adrienne Lake: other people's lives
Adrienne Lake: and bodies, and they
Adrienne Lake: know nothing about
Adrienne Lake: it, and they don't
Adrienne Lake: care. They don't even
Adrienne Lake: care if it's a
Adrienne Lake: situation where, you
Adrienne Lake: know, the child was
Adrienne Lake: wanted. But there are
Adrienne Lake: medical issues.
Adrienne Lake: They don't care if
Adrienne Lake: the mother's life is
Adrienne Lake: at risk.
Adrienne Lake: It's about control.
Adrienne Lake: And these types
Adrienne Lake: of things affect the
Adrienne Lake: creative class and
Adrienne Lake: people who struggle
Adrienne Lake: financially more than
Adrienne Lake: anybody else.
Adrienne Lake: Fortunately, as
Adrienne Lake: artists and
Adrienne Lake: as people with a
Adrienne Lake: platform including,
Adrienne Lake: you know.
Adrienne Lake: Venue owners, talent
Adrienne Lake: buyers, etc. etc.
Adrienne Lake: we can do something
Adrienne Lake: about it. We can make
Adrienne Lake: our voices heard.
Adrienne Lake: And I do think that
Adrienne Lake: it is our obligation
Adrienne Lake: to do that.
Adrienne Lake: Back when I was a talent
Adrienne Lake: buyer, I
Adrienne Lake: thought, wow, what a
Adrienne Lake: gift it is to have
Adrienne Lake: these actual
Adrienne Lake: and figurative
Adrienne Lake: platforms that we can
Adrienne Lake: make statements and
Adrienne Lake: do good for the community
Adrienne Lake: and hold benefits and
Adrienne Lake: spread awareness and,
Adrienne Lake: you know, get out the
Adrienne Lake: vote organizations.
Adrienne Lake: So that is one good
Adrienne Lake: thing that we have
Adrienne Lake: going for us.
Adrienne Lake: That in the fact
Adrienne Lake: that, I think we're
Adrienne Lake: really blessed to
Adrienne Lake: have a great community
Adrienne Lake: here in Austin, and
Adrienne Lake: it's nice to know
Adrienne Lake: that if something
Adrienne Lake: happened, you know,
Adrienne Lake: we know that there would be
Adrienne Lake: a community that would
Adrienne Lake: have our backs.
Elizabeth McQueen: And then our
Elizabeth McQueen: friend Amanda Garcia
Elizabeth McQueen: helped us get a
Elizabeth McQueen: group of women from
Elizabeth McQueen: the Austin music
Elizabeth McQueen: scene together to
Elizabeth McQueen: talk to us about
Elizabeth McQueen: their personal experiences
Elizabeth McQueen: with the Texas abortion
Elizabeth McQueen: ban.
DJ Cassandra: Hello?
DJ Cassandra: I'm DJ Cassandra.
DJ Cassandra: My name is Cassandra,
DJ Cassandra: and that's also my
DJ Cassandra: deejay name. So I'm
DJ Cassandra: also a DJ and a
DJ Cassandra: composer and educator
DJ Cassandra: as well, living here
DJ Cassandra: in Texas, in Austin,
DJ Cassandra: Texas.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I am Amanda
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Garcia Davenport.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I am a
Amanda Garcia Davenport: membership manager
Amanda Garcia Davenport: at the Recording
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Academy, and
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I'm also a mother
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and a wife and
Amanda Garcia Davenport: a music fan.
Qi Dada: So my name is Kidada.
Qi Dada: I'm one half of Writers
Qi Dada: Against the Storm musical
Qi Dada: hip hop duo, and
Qi Dada: I am a mother and I am a
Qi Dada: wife. I'm a producer,
Qi Dada: and I really enjoy,
Qi Dada: elevating the spiritual
Qi Dada: notion of women in the
Qi Dada: world.
Cheyenne Doerr: Yes. Hello, my name
Cheyenne Doerr: is Cheyenne Doerr I
Cheyenne Doerr: am, now an
Cheyenne Doerr: independent publicist
Cheyenne Doerr: and live event producer
Cheyenne Doerr: working mostly in
Cheyenne Doerr: the music entertainment,
Cheyenne Doerr: culture spaces.
Cheyenne Doerr: I'm also a member of
Cheyenne Doerr: the Recording Academy
Cheyenne Doerr: and work with Amanda
Cheyenne Doerr: on a group in.
Cheyenne Doerr: It's a global nonprofit
Cheyenne Doerr: called Women in Music.
Cheyenne Doerr: We just launched our
Cheyenne Doerr: Austin chapter, and
Cheyenne Doerr: I am currently splitting
Cheyenne Doerr: my time between
Cheyenne Doerr: Austin and just
Cheyenne Doerr: generally Central Texas
Cheyenne Doerr: in LA. So half
Cheyenne Doerr: and half these days.
Elizabeth McQueen: We started out by
Elizabeth McQueen: asking them how
Elizabeth McQueen: they felt when
Elizabeth McQueen: the Texas abortion
Elizabeth McQueen: ban went into
Elizabeth McQueen: effect.
DJ Cassandra: You know, it's just
DJ Cassandra: that, feeling when
DJ Cassandra: your throat, like,
DJ Cassandra: drops into your
DJ Cassandra: stomach, kind of like.
DJ Cassandra: Oh, explicit word
DJ Cassandra: and oh, explicit word
DJ Cassandra: for everybody.
DJ Cassandra: I know all the women
DJ Cassandra: in this city and
DJ Cassandra: state.
DJ Cassandra: And it was just like,
DJ Cassandra: okay, that at first.
DJ Cassandra: And then, all right,
DJ Cassandra: how are we going to
DJ Cassandra: fight this? How are we
DJ Cassandra: going to come together?
DJ Cassandra: And then it was
DJ Cassandra: honestly like, ever
DJ Cassandra: since that like 2022,
DJ Cassandra: it's just been like
DJ Cassandra: really empowering,
DJ Cassandra: honestly, and
DJ Cassandra: like a really
DJ Cassandra: beautiful community
DJ Cassandra: connection that I
DJ Cassandra: don't think would have
DJ Cassandra: happened before.
DJ Cassandra: Like, I mean, it was
DJ Cassandra: there before, but I
DJ Cassandra: think it's even more
DJ Cassandra: and it's like, you
DJ Cassandra: know, a lot of women
DJ Cassandra: having these conversations
DJ Cassandra: like off the record
DJ Cassandra: and, you know, being
DJ Cassandra: brought together and
DJ Cassandra: talking about it and
DJ Cassandra: being like, oh, you
DJ Cassandra: stand for women's
DJ Cassandra: rights. You stance,
DJ Cassandra: you. Okay, I get
DJ Cassandra: you.
Miles Bloxson: Amanda. What about
Miles Bloxson: you? When you heard the news.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Very similar
Amanda Garcia Davenport: that, like,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: drop in my
Amanda Garcia Davenport: stomach.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Really scared
Amanda Garcia Davenport: for a lot of
Amanda Garcia Davenport: women in my
Amanda Garcia Davenport: family, in
Amanda Garcia Davenport: my community,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and scared for myself
Amanda Garcia Davenport: because at
Amanda Garcia Davenport: the time, my husband
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and I knew that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: we probably wanted
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to have another baby,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: but we hadn't yet.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: So that was really
Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I guess a little
Amanda Garcia Davenport: bit of background
Amanda Garcia Davenport: before I had
Amanda Garcia Davenport: my first daughter, I had
Amanda Garcia Davenport: a miscarriage
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and didn't
Amanda Garcia Davenport: know how common
Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was and
Amanda Garcia Davenport: immediately found
Amanda Garcia Davenport: out because this
Amanda Garcia Davenport: like circle of women
Amanda Garcia Davenport: came to me that were
Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, me
Amanda Garcia Davenport: too, or, you
Amanda Garcia Davenport: know, that happened to
Amanda Garcia Davenport: me and I
Amanda Garcia Davenport: just learned how common
Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was, and
Amanda Garcia Davenport: it really
Amanda Garcia Davenport: helped me be able
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to kind of speak
Amanda Garcia Davenport: about my experience
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to other women that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: later on that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: had that happen to
Amanda Garcia Davenport: them. When I had my first
Amanda Garcia Davenport: daughter, I
Amanda Garcia Davenport: had really
Amanda Garcia Davenport: amazing pregnancy.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I felt like
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I was superhuman,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and then I had a really
Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary birth
Amanda Garcia Davenport: where we had to be
Amanda Garcia Davenport: rushed into,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: an emergency C-section.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: So going
Amanda Garcia Davenport: into like
Amanda Garcia Davenport: thinking about pregnancy
Amanda Garcia Davenport: again and then also
Amanda Garcia Davenport: knowing that I was
Amanda Garcia Davenport: over 35,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: which is considered geriatric,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I knew that there
Amanda Garcia Davenport: was risk
Amanda Garcia Davenport: associated
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and that complications
Amanda Garcia Davenport: could happen just
Amanda Garcia Davenport: given the history that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I had
Amanda Garcia Davenport: experienced already.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: So it was really
Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary when
Amanda Garcia Davenport: everything went
Amanda Garcia Davenport: down, and I
Amanda Garcia Davenport: knew that I was lucky
Amanda Garcia Davenport: enough to
Amanda Garcia Davenport: know different people
Amanda Garcia Davenport: within different organizations,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and I felt confident
Amanda Garcia Davenport: that my doctors would always
Amanda Garcia Davenport: take care of me
Amanda Garcia Davenport: or help me
Amanda Garcia Davenport: find proper care
Amanda Garcia Davenport: if needed.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: But
Amanda Garcia Davenport: terrifying.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: And then also
Amanda Garcia Davenport: empowered at the
Amanda Garcia Davenport: same time, because
Amanda Garcia Davenport: then, like
Amanda Garcia Davenport: knowing
Amanda Garcia Davenport: that I already
Amanda Garcia Davenport: had a daughter and
Amanda Garcia Davenport: making sure that like,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was my job
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to protect her
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and to have
Amanda Garcia Davenport: her set up for.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Whatever she needed
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to get through.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: So very,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: like opposite.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: But all at
Amanda Garcia Davenport: the same time.
Cheyenne Doerr: Qi Dada
Qi Dada: When I heard the news,
Qi Dada: nothing about me was
Qi Dada: shocked because I
Qi Dada: feel like I come from and
Qi Dada: represent a community
Qi Dada: that's always used to
Qi Dada: having the laws not apply
Qi Dada: to them anyway, so they're
Qi Dada: always trying to find solutions
Qi Dada: just in case the ball
Qi Dada: drops.
Qi Dada: Because a lot of these
Qi Dada: women I know, the workers
Qi Dada: in the birth space
Qi Dada: and in social justice
Qi Dada: spaces are always looking
Qi Dada: for solutions outside of
Qi Dada: the system, just in case
Qi Dada: they decide that the laws
Qi Dada: are going to be different
Qi Dada: and they're used to the
Qi Dada: laws being different for
Qi Dada: them anyway.
Qi Dada: So they're always finding
Qi Dada: resources and collecting
Qi Dada: knowledge and sitting with
Qi Dada: people who have always sat
Qi Dada: outside of the structure
Qi Dada: to be able to provide
Qi Dada: the care necessary, should
Qi Dada: should institutional care
Qi Dada: not be available.
Qi Dada: So it's kind of a
Qi Dada: complicated thing where
Qi Dada: obviously, like no one
Qi Dada: wants you're once
Qi Dada: you're protective measures
Qi Dada: in the institutions to be
Qi Dada: stripped from you, not when
Qi Dada: you work and provide taxes
Qi Dada: and, you know, do your best
Qi Dada: to vote and secure
Qi Dada: yourself in a complicated
Qi Dada: relationship with your
Qi Dada: country.
Qi Dada: Nobody's looking for that.
Qi Dada: And the amount of women
Qi Dada: that I see fighting on both
Qi Dada: sides of it
Qi Dada: is really phenomenal to me
Qi Dada: that are not trying to
Qi Dada: separate,
Qi Dada: regardless of their
Qi Dada: philosophies are ideologies
Qi Dada: and not trying to separate
Qi Dada: the fact that we are
Qi Dada: all in need of each other
Qi Dada: because this reality.
Qi Dada: Is is so incredibly
Qi Dada: complicated and can sway
Qi Dada: one way or another.
Qi Dada: So it's imperative that we
Qi Dada: all know where to lean and
Qi Dada: how to lean when situations
Qi Dada: become really abrupt.
Cheyenne Doerr: Yeah, I, I would say
Cheyenne Doerr: kind of to Qi point,
Cheyenne Doerr: you know, I wasn't necessarily
Cheyenne Doerr: shocked when the specific
Cheyenne Doerr: Texas law came into
Cheyenne Doerr: play. I remember
Cheyenne Doerr: exactly where I was
Cheyenne Doerr: when row was overturned
Cheyenne Doerr: and my two female
Cheyenne Doerr: roommates and I,
Cheyenne Doerr: like, had a good cry
Cheyenne Doerr: and hugged each other.
Cheyenne Doerr: And it was just like, are
Cheyenne Doerr: we really in this
Cheyenne Doerr: right now? And so
Cheyenne Doerr: obviously, of course,
Cheyenne Doerr: when the Texas thing,
Cheyenne Doerr: you know, just stamps
Cheyenne Doerr: the the realness of
Cheyenne Doerr: all this, it's crazy
Cheyenne Doerr: that guns have more
Cheyenne Doerr: rights in this state
Cheyenne Doerr: than women,
Cheyenne Doerr: honestly. And just
Cheyenne Doerr: the fact that people
Cheyenne Doerr: that are deciding these
Cheyenne Doerr: things have no idea
Cheyenne Doerr: the first thing about
Cheyenne Doerr: what they're honestly
Cheyenne Doerr: talking about. In many
Cheyenne Doerr: cases.
Elizabeth McQueen: Coming up after the
Elizabeth McQueen: break, you'll hear
Elizabeth McQueen: how these new laws
Elizabeth McQueen: impact women
Elizabeth McQueen: performers.
Miles Bloxson: Welcome back to Pause
Miles Bloxson: Play. In this
Miles Bloxson: episode, we're
Miles Bloxson: hearing how the Texas
Miles Bloxson: abortion ban is
Miles Bloxson: affecting women in
Miles Bloxson: the Austin music
Miles Bloxson: scene. And all of you
Miles Bloxson: ladies have a place
Miles Bloxson: in the Austin music scene.
Miles Bloxson: And, you know, music
Miles Bloxson: scene's beyond Austin
Miles Bloxson: as well, right? How
Miles Bloxson: do you feel like
Miles Bloxson: these new laws impact
Miles Bloxson: women performers like
Miles Bloxson: as a whole?
Qi Dada: I definitely feel like
Qi Dada: women performers are always
Qi Dada: kind of in a special box.
Qi Dada: Like even if you're talking
Qi Dada: about not just music
Qi Dada: athletes like performers.
Qi Dada: It's complicated because
Qi Dada: you're already your track
Qi Dada: of career already indicates
Qi Dada: that you have to make
Qi Dada: choices about whether or
Qi Dada: not you're gonna comply as
Qi Dada: a mother, or are you going
Qi Dada: to continue being an
Qi Dada: artist?
Qi Dada: And so I feel like these
Qi Dada: laws and the way that
Qi Dada: they've played out
Qi Dada: complicate that even
Qi Dada: further. So now,
Qi Dada: I have to be concerned
Qi Dada: about whether or not my
Qi Dada: safety, even if I do choose
Qi Dada: that route, is in place
Qi Dada: in a situation where I'm
Qi Dada: already getting pushed
Qi Dada: because it's always you're
Qi Dada: always kind of like
Qi Dada: following a carrot, almost.
Qi Dada: You're just like, it's just
Qi Dada: a little bit further, just
Qi Dada: a little bit further, but a
Qi Dada: little bit further, a little
Qi Dada: bit further.
Qi Dada: And so you're always trying
Qi Dada: to balance when is
Qi Dada: the right time.
Qi Dada: And then now you have to
Qi Dada: balance whether or not it's
Qi Dada: safe for you to do so.
Qi Dada: Just as a whole lot of
Qi Dada: other level of stress as
Qi Dada: a woman, because you're
Qi Dada: already having to choose
Qi Dada: your career in a family
Qi Dada: because we're in a construct
Qi Dada: that isn't prioritized
Qi Dada: care.
DJ Cassandra: I would love nothing
DJ Cassandra: more than to have a
DJ Cassandra: kid and still have a
DJ Cassandra: career in music as a
DJ Cassandra: performer.
DJ Cassandra: But just like you
DJ Cassandra: said, it's so
DJ Cassandra: difficult and it
DJ Cassandra: shouldn't be that way.
DJ Cassandra: We should be able to
DJ Cassandra: have what
DJ Cassandra: we're born able to do,
DJ Cassandra: you know, and be able
DJ Cassandra: to do that, you know,
DJ Cassandra: and we have to fight
DJ Cassandra: to do that.
Miles Bloxson: Do you have kids yet?
DJ Cassandra: No, I don't.
DJ Cassandra: And honestly, if
DJ Cassandra: I were to have kids,
DJ Cassandra: I don't know, that
DJ Cassandra: would make me want to
DJ Cassandra: move out of Texas
DJ Cassandra: because I would be
DJ Cassandra: worried about if
DJ Cassandra: something happened in
DJ Cassandra: my pregnancy.
DJ Cassandra: I would not want to be
DJ Cassandra: here to do that
DJ Cassandra: at all because it is
DJ Cassandra: terrifying reading the
DJ Cassandra: stories and
DJ Cassandra: everything.
Cheyenne Doerr: I've always been on
Cheyenne Doerr: the fence, honestly, about
Cheyenne Doerr: whether or not I want kids,
Cheyenne Doerr: especially when I think
Cheyenne Doerr: about wanting to do
Cheyenne Doerr: that. In theory, if
Cheyenne Doerr: I were to in Texas,
Cheyenne Doerr: where my family is,
Cheyenne Doerr: but yet not feeling
Cheyenne Doerr: like it's a safe
Cheyenne Doerr: place to kind of do
Cheyenne Doerr: that, especially with
Cheyenne Doerr: the risks that go
Cheyenne Doerr: into pregnancy and
Cheyenne Doerr: everything, that's kind of already
Cheyenne Doerr: been shared. And
Cheyenne Doerr: when it comes to, you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, the idea is if
Cheyenne Doerr: I needed an abortion,
Cheyenne Doerr: I'm so grateful that
Cheyenne Doerr: I have an amazingly
Cheyenne Doerr: supportive mother
Cheyenne Doerr: who was like, if you
Cheyenne Doerr: need to do that ever,
Cheyenne Doerr: you just tell me not
Cheyenne Doerr: to tell anyone else.
Cheyenne Doerr: We'll go pretend
Cheyenne Doerr: we're taking a vacation
Cheyenne Doerr: somewhere, you know?
Cheyenne Doerr: And I realize, like,
Cheyenne Doerr: how also very lucky
Cheyenne Doerr: and privileged that is
Cheyenne Doerr: because so, so, so
Cheyenne Doerr: many women in this
Cheyenne Doerr: state and other states
Cheyenne Doerr: where this is in place
Cheyenne Doerr: do not have that
Cheyenne Doerr: support system, do not
Cheyenne Doerr: have the means.
Cheyenne Doerr: So like, what do
Cheyenne Doerr: they do? You know,
Cheyenne Doerr: do they die? Do they
Cheyenne Doerr: have a baby. They can't
Cheyenne Doerr: or not ready for.
Cheyenne Doerr: It's just really that's
Cheyenne Doerr: that part of it really
Cheyenne Doerr: gets disheartening
Cheyenne Doerr: obviously. So.
Elizabeth McQueen: I wonder to like,
Elizabeth McQueen: do you guys find
Elizabeth McQueen: that these laws,
Elizabeth McQueen: do they make their
Elizabeth McQueen: way into like the
Elizabeth McQueen: work that you make,
Elizabeth McQueen: not just how you
Elizabeth McQueen: approach your career
Elizabeth McQueen: or how you think about
Elizabeth McQueen: like family planning,
Elizabeth McQueen: but like the
Elizabeth McQueen: actual stuff that
Elizabeth McQueen: you do always.
DJ Cassandra: I like pretty much
DJ Cassandra: most of my sets,
DJ Cassandra: unless it's like I'm
DJ Cassandra: being hired to play,
DJ Cassandra: you know, only
DJ Cassandra: these artists, this
DJ Cassandra: genre or whatever,
DJ Cassandra: pretty much always
DJ Cassandra: include a lot of,
DJ Cassandra: femme artists.
DJ Cassandra: And there are not a
DJ Cassandra: lot of DJs who do
DJ Cassandra: that. And I wish
DJ Cassandra: there were more
DJ Cassandra: because there's a lot
DJ Cassandra: of different genres,
DJ Cassandra: different artists, different
DJ Cassandra: women in Texas,
DJ Cassandra: Texas songwriters,
DJ Cassandra: Texas musicians, and
DJ Cassandra: they should be
DJ Cassandra: celebrated and played.
DJ Cassandra: And so it's like, I
DJ Cassandra: want to include them.
DJ Cassandra: I also want to hire
DJ Cassandra: mostly women for
DJ Cassandra: things.
DJ Cassandra: And that,
DJ Cassandra: you know, was always
DJ Cassandra: like a yeah, but now
DJ Cassandra: it's like a yeah, like
DJ Cassandra: we want to support
DJ Cassandra: this community, you
DJ Cassandra: know, in Austin, you
DJ Cassandra: know, I mean, however
DJ Cassandra: much I can whenever I
DJ Cassandra: travel. But mostly
DJ Cassandra: Austin, I feel like
DJ Cassandra: that's the same way
DJ Cassandra: whenever I get hired
DJ Cassandra: for events,
DJ Cassandra: gigs, whatever, it's
DJ Cassandra: women wanting to
DJ Cassandra: hire me to portray
DJ Cassandra: that as well, you
DJ Cassandra: know? And so it's
DJ Cassandra: just, yeah, that weird
DJ Cassandra: like, oh, wow. This is
DJ Cassandra: I've never felt it so
DJ Cassandra: strong here, which is
DJ Cassandra: a reason why I just
DJ Cassandra: can't leave because
DJ Cassandra: I'll go somewhere else
DJ Cassandra: and it's just like, I, it's
DJ Cassandra: maybe it's because I've been
DJ Cassandra: here a long time, but
DJ Cassandra: I do feel that really
DJ Cassandra: strongly.
DJ Cassandra: More more than ever
DJ Cassandra: within the last two
DJ Cassandra: few years, you know, a
DJ Cassandra: couple of years.
Elizabeth McQueen: Almost like the current
Elizabeth McQueen: state of things has
Elizabeth McQueen: made everyone
Elizabeth McQueen: kind of lean more
Elizabeth McQueen: into like.
Elizabeth McQueen: Depending on each
Elizabeth McQueen: other, hiring each
Elizabeth McQueen: other, promoting each
Elizabeth McQueen: other. Yeah, that
Elizabeth McQueen: kind of thing.
DJ Cassandra: Yeah, yeah, a lot
DJ Cassandra: more. Yeah. Than it
DJ Cassandra: has ever been.
Elizabeth McQueen: And how about you, Shane?
Cheyenne Doerr: I think, you know,
Cheyenne Doerr: especially kind of
Cheyenne Doerr: in the world. I'm in
Cheyenne Doerr: with the work I do,
Cheyenne Doerr: spotlighting great
Cheyenne Doerr: stories and people
Cheyenne Doerr: that get me really
Cheyenne Doerr: excited working with
Cheyenne Doerr: certain non-profits
Cheyenne Doerr: like Future Front Texas,
Cheyenne Doerr: which, you know,
Cheyenne Doerr: from the jump, have
Cheyenne Doerr: been throwing events
Cheyenne Doerr: and doing a lot to really
Cheyenne Doerr: raise a lot of awareness
Cheyenne Doerr: around this and bring
Cheyenne Doerr: people together and
Cheyenne Doerr: show that, like, you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, we still have
Cheyenne Doerr: each other. We are
Cheyenne Doerr: going to fight for the things
Cheyenne Doerr: that we need.
Cheyenne Doerr: And it may not take
Cheyenne Doerr: it may not happen today,
Cheyenne Doerr: tomorrow in a year,
Cheyenne Doerr: ten years. But you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, there's a lot of people
Cheyenne Doerr: that are not giving
Cheyenne Doerr: up and trying to
Cheyenne Doerr: make this state a
Cheyenne Doerr: better place.
Qi Dada: I had a concert that I
Qi Dada: recently produced.
Qi Dada: Right.
Qi Dada: And all of the focus on
Qi Dada: that show was maternal
Qi Dada: health, birth workers,
Qi Dada: people who are in and
Qi Dada: around that environment
Qi Dada: that know quite a bit.
Qi Dada: And for me, it was really
Qi Dada: imperative was I became a
Qi Dada: mother. And I think I
Qi Dada: again, to emphasize like
Qi Dada: the call per se.
Qi Dada: Didn't necessarily come
Qi Dada: from what went down
Qi Dada: in legislation because,
Qi Dada: again, these communities
Qi Dada: have always been like, I
Qi Dada: don't know what applies
Qi Dada: to me and what doesn't.
Qi Dada: And so I'm going to create
Qi Dada: my own solutions.
Qi Dada: So like that show came
Qi Dada: from, you know, after birthing
Qi Dada: my child and really getting
Qi Dada: immersed in that world and
Qi Dada: really seeing what these
Qi Dada: women were about and what
Qi Dada: they were doing and how,
Qi Dada: well, you know, just the
Qi Dada: solutions that they kept
Qi Dada: coming up with, the
Qi Dada: resources that they had,
Qi Dada: the brilliance and the the
Qi Dada: energy that they they were
Qi Dada: providing, the information,
Qi Dada: they were like, oh, no, we
Qi Dada: we got this.
Qi Dada: And I was like, more women
Qi Dada: need to know where they can
Qi Dada: go to feel that.
Qi Dada: And so like that program,
Qi Dada: for me, it was like a
Qi Dada: bat signal, if
Qi Dada: you will, so that people
Qi Dada: know, like, yes, this is
Qi Dada: happening.
Qi Dada: I understand, you know, the
Qi Dada: fear. It's legitimate.
Qi Dada: I understand the concern is
Qi Dada: legitimate, but they're
Qi Dada: women who've battled all
Qi Dada: that fear in them that have
Qi Dada: battled all these programs
Qi Dada: out here, these
Qi Dada: legislations, and
Qi Dada: understand that it can go
Qi Dada: either way at any point in
Qi Dada: time. And they have their
Qi Dada: own systems and, you
Qi Dada: know, structures in place
Qi Dada: to carry and catch women
Qi Dada: when needed, when things
Qi Dada: are not in your favor.
Qi Dada: And also, you know, it's
Qi Dada: all it's
Qi Dada: all right. I'm not going to
Qi Dada: get on my soapbox, but it's
Qi Dada: oh,
Qi Dada: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not
Qi Dada: gonna do it.
Miles Bloxson: But that's
Miles Bloxson: all.
Qi Dada: Right. But that's what it's
Qi Dada: for. So, you know, a
Qi Dada: lot of these women
Qi Dada: understand the colonialist
Qi Dada: construct, the misogynistic
Qi Dada: colonialist construct and
Qi Dada: what it's based on, and
Qi Dada: it's based on debasing
Qi Dada: human lives.
Qi Dada: The only way for you to get
Qi Dada: super rich super fast is
Qi Dada: to be unconcerned about
Qi Dada: life is to obliterate care,
Qi Dada: including the planet, etc.
Qi Dada: but you have a chain of
Qi Dada: command of what that is and
Qi Dada: you know, people of color,
Qi Dada: women, etc.
Qi Dada: they're not at the top of
Qi Dada: that. These women have used
Qi Dada: their imaginations, saw
Qi Dada: something greater than them
Qi Dada: to have the kind of confidence
Qi Dada: to be like, I'm on par,
Qi Dada: if not greater, than the
Qi Dada: system I'm in, so I can
Qi Dada: create solutions for myself
Qi Dada: regardless of where the
Qi Dada: wind blows with you.
Qi Dada: And I think that's really
Qi Dada: powerful. And I just wanted
Qi Dada: to highlight women who took
Qi Dada: the time to deconstruct
Qi Dada: themselves and to educate
Qi Dada: themselves and to listen
Qi Dada: to alternate sources and
Qi Dada: to learn and care
Qi Dada: for the human, for the
Qi Dada: feminine body, to the
Qi Dada: degree that they have.
Qi Dada: You know what I mean? Just
Qi Dada: like whatever degree of
Qi Dada: care, care so important
Qi Dada: to a healthy society.
Qi Dada: And so I really
Qi Dada: wanted to make sure that
Qi Dada: people understood that that
Qi Dada: existed, that
Qi Dada: you didn't have to stay in
Qi Dada: this relegated space
Qi Dada: waiting for the other shoe
Qi Dada: to drop, or having to exist
Qi Dada: in fear because the shoe
Qi Dada: did drop.
Qi Dada: Like all of this exist for
Qi Dada: you too.
Qi Dada: And and you have a, what
Qi Dada: they, they call hush
Qi Dada: harbors.
Qi Dada: They used to have these things
Qi Dada: called hush harbors where
Qi Dada: you would secretly go and
Qi Dada: care for yourself.
Qi Dada: But it's not so hush.
Qi Dada: It doesn't have to be so
Qi Dada: harsh. Is is perfectly
Qi Dada: fine. You're well within
Qi Dada: your right to find
Qi Dada: solutions for yourself.
Miles Bloxson: Do you all know any
Miles Bloxson: women that have left
Miles Bloxson: Texas, like musicians
Miles Bloxson: or artists, because
Miles Bloxson: of the new laws that
Miles Bloxson: have been put in
Miles Bloxson: place?
DJ Cassandra: Oh, yeah.
DJ Cassandra: Yes. I'm not going to
DJ Cassandra: say their names, but yes,
DJ Cassandra: I do like quite a few.
DJ Cassandra: And I know one
DJ Cassandra: specifically is a good
DJ Cassandra: friend of mine who is
DJ Cassandra: on her way to leaving
DJ Cassandra: like two moving
DJ Cassandra: outside of Texas
DJ Cassandra: because of that.
DJ Cassandra: And she's an incredible
DJ Cassandra: singer songwriter, and
DJ Cassandra: she wants to have a family,
DJ Cassandra: and she does not want,
DJ Cassandra: you know, to have the
DJ Cassandra: worry here.
DJ Cassandra: And it's like, okay,
DJ Cassandra: well, all right,
DJ Cassandra: great. We're going to
DJ Cassandra: lose some incredible
DJ Cassandra: women, you know, in
DJ Cassandra: Texas because of this.
DJ Cassandra: And it's like,
DJ Cassandra: what? Why?
DJ Cassandra: You know.
Miles Bloxson: Wow. I mean, when you
Miles Bloxson: were shaking your head,
Miles Bloxson: I thought that you were just like.
Miles Bloxson: Yeah. Miles, we hear
Miles Bloxson: your question, but
Miles Bloxson: you're like, no, we
Miles Bloxson: know people.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Yeah, I know
Amanda Garcia Davenport: somebody who's
Amanda Garcia Davenport: had to leave,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and has come back.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: And
Amanda Garcia Davenport: families that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: are raising daughters
Amanda Garcia Davenport: that are leaving because
Amanda Garcia Davenport: of that. And they
Amanda Garcia Davenport: don't want to
Amanda Garcia Davenport: have to
Amanda Garcia Davenport: worry about their daughters.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I mean, and their daughters
Amanda Garcia Davenport: are very young
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and they're
Amanda Garcia Davenport: just trying to get
Amanda Garcia Davenport: ahead of
Amanda Garcia Davenport: the big stuff
Amanda Garcia Davenport: if that ever
Amanda Garcia Davenport: happens, you know,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: things ever came
Amanda Garcia Davenport: their way.
Qi Dada: Yeah, I not necessarily
Qi Dada: leaving but not coming,
Qi Dada: you know, I mean, people won't
Qi Dada: come.
Qi Dada: I had a conversation,
Qi Dada: you know, the SP 17 bill,
Qi Dada: for example, you know,
Qi Dada: deconstructing di
Qi Dada: all of that is part of this
Qi Dada: whole package of crazy
Qi Dada: that's going on. Who we
Qi Dada: perceive is crazy.
Qi Dada: I think it is.
Qi Dada: And, people won't
Qi Dada: come. It was like, I'm not
Qi Dada: safe there. I don't know
Qi Dada: what could happen to me out
Qi Dada: there. I'm not coming.
Qi Dada: You know, people who have
Qi Dada: jobs offered to them.
Qi Dada: They're like, I'm not coming.
Qi Dada: I don't know, I have no
Qi Dada: idea. Like, I'm good.
Qi Dada: And so they, they, they
Qi Dada: just feel such a high level
Qi Dada: of risk being able to
Qi Dada: relocate here.
Qi Dada: You know, that goes into,
Qi Dada: you know, women feeling
Qi Dada: like there's a high level of
Qi Dada: risk. As I got leave, I see
Qi Dada: that happening as well as
Qi Dada: people wanted to leave.
Qi Dada: People won't come.
Miles Bloxson: Everyone that we were
Miles Bloxson: talking to lives in
Miles Bloxson: Texas at least part
Miles Bloxson: of the time.
Miles Bloxson: And we asked them,
Miles Bloxson: why did they decide
Miles Bloxson: to stay here?
Qi Dada: I don't believe in running
Qi Dada: because you should be able to
Qi Dada: exist the way you need to
Qi Dada: exist wherever you want to
Qi Dada: be.
Qi Dada: That's what you're right as
Qi Dada: an American is supposed to
Qi Dada: be.
Qi Dada: That's what it's supposed
Qi Dada: to be.
Qi Dada: I just believe in your
Qi Dada: ability to be, to exist
Qi Dada: as you want, where you
Qi Dada: want.
Cheyenne Doerr: I'm from Texas.
Cheyenne Doerr: I'm from San Antonio.
Cheyenne Doerr: Like Amanda.
Cheyenne Doerr: Yeah. My family is
Cheyenne Doerr: largely mostly in
Cheyenne Doerr: Texas. And, you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, the women, the
Cheyenne Doerr: communities that I've
Cheyenne Doerr: spent years and
Cheyenne Doerr: years making.
Cheyenne Doerr: I mean, they've shown up
Cheyenne Doerr: for me in more ways
Cheyenne Doerr: than one again and again.
Cheyenne Doerr: Now, I will say a
Cheyenne Doerr: lot of my dear friends
Cheyenne Doerr: are moving away, not
Cheyenne Doerr: necessarily just for
Cheyenne Doerr: these things, but
Cheyenne Doerr: yeah, Texas is home.
Cheyenne Doerr: And, you know, I've
Cheyenne Doerr: always seen Austin
Cheyenne Doerr: especially like
Cheyenne Doerr: there is this place
Cheyenne Doerr: of opportunity, you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, like I think
Cheyenne Doerr: that's what's always
Cheyenne Doerr: had me coming back
Cheyenne Doerr: and wanting to, you
Cheyenne Doerr: know, support
Cheyenne Doerr: artists and women
Cheyenne Doerr: and just, you know,
Cheyenne Doerr: whenever possible,
Cheyenne Doerr: maybe tie certain
Cheyenne Doerr: events to a cause.
Cheyenne Doerr: Not for a performative
Cheyenne Doerr: look, you know, but
Cheyenne Doerr: just because that's
Cheyenne Doerr: just what we kind of
Cheyenne Doerr: have to do out here.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Yeah, I mean, I,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: I grew up here, my family's
Amanda Garcia Davenport: here, Texas is
Amanda Garcia Davenport: home,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and somebody's
Amanda Garcia Davenport: got to do the work,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: you know,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, we can't. I'll
Amanda Garcia Davenport: leave. And
Amanda Garcia Davenport: we've considered
Amanda Garcia Davenport: leaving Austin
Amanda Garcia Davenport: once we had kids
Amanda Garcia Davenport: because our family's
Amanda Garcia Davenport: not here. And it would be so
Amanda Garcia Davenport: much easier
Amanda Garcia Davenport: to be closer to family,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: you know? But
Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, the
Amanda Garcia Davenport: community that
Amanda Garcia Davenport: we have
Amanda Garcia Davenport: surrounded ourselves
Amanda Garcia Davenport: with is so beautiful
Amanda Garcia Davenport: and so special.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: And,
Amanda Garcia Davenport: yeah, we
Amanda Garcia Davenport: could leave.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: But then what
Amanda Garcia Davenport: would happen?
Elizabeth McQueen: Kasey, why do you
Elizabeth McQueen: stay in Texas?
DJ Cassandra: What was it that you
DJ Cassandra: texted me?
DJ Cassandra: Something like?
DJ Cassandra: It's like.
Amanda Garcia Davenport: Peace, love and Texas.
DJ Cassandra: Peace love and Texas
DJ Cassandra: women.
DJ Cassandra: And that's why.
DJ Cassandra: Because I can't
DJ Cassandra: leave. I want to,
DJ Cassandra: and then I'm like.
DJ Cassandra: But there's always
DJ Cassandra: that that, mom, we can
DJ Cassandra: help that friend
DJ Cassandra: that we can help that
DJ Cassandra: anybody that we can
DJ Cassandra: help. You know, we
DJ Cassandra: can't change it if we
DJ Cassandra: leave. And so I think
DJ Cassandra: peace, love Texas.
DJ Cassandra: Definitely. Yeah.
DJ Cassandra: We love it, you know.
Miles Bloxson: Peace, love and sex
Miles Bloxson: as women.
Elizabeth McQueen: Elizabeth I put
Elizabeth McQueen: it on a T-shirt.
Elizabeth McQueen: Peace, love and
Elizabeth McQueen: Texas women.
Miles Bloxson: We want to thank
Miles Bloxson: Amanda Garcia for
Miles Bloxson: bringing us all together,
Miles Bloxson: and we want to thank Kidada,
Miles Bloxson: Cassandra, Cheyenne,
Miles Bloxson: Amanda, and Adrian
Miles Bloxson: for being so open and
Miles Bloxson: vulnerable with us.
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