1 00:00:03,540 --> 00:00:04,709 Miles Bloxson: I'm Miles Bloxson. 2 00:00:04,710 --> 00:00:05,849 Elizabeth McQueen: And I'm Elizabeth 3 00:00:05,850 --> 00:00:06,839 Elizabeth McQueen: McQueen. And this 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,889 Elizabeth McQueen: is Paws Play, a 5 00:00:07,890 --> 00:00:08,969 Elizabeth McQueen: podcast about live 6 00:00:08,970 --> 00:00:09,869 Elizabeth McQueen: music, why it 7 00:00:09,870 --> 00:00:10,949 Elizabeth McQueen: matters, and what 8 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:12,029 Elizabeth McQueen: comes next. 9 00:00:14,460 --> 00:00:15,509 Miles Bloxson: This season, we're 10 00:00:15,510 --> 00:00:16,499 Miles Bloxson: looking at how different 11 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:17,579 Miles Bloxson: global and local 12 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:19,019 Miles Bloxson: changes are impacting 13 00:00:19,020 --> 00:00:20,129 Miles Bloxson: Austin's live music 14 00:00:20,130 --> 00:00:20,699 Miles Bloxson: scene. 15 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:21,989 Elizabeth McQueen: In our last episode, 16 00:00:21,990 --> 00:00:23,009 Elizabeth McQueen: we talked about climate 17 00:00:23,010 --> 00:00:23,549 Elizabeth McQueen: change. 18 00:00:23,550 --> 00:00:24,629 Miles Bloxson: And for the next two 19 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:25,679 Miles Bloxson: episodes, we'll be 20 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,729 Miles Bloxson: exploring how recent 21 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:27,839 Miles Bloxson: changes to some of 22 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,399 Miles Bloxson: the laws in Texas are 23 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,719 Miles Bloxson: affecting our scene, 24 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:31,829 Miles Bloxson: and specifically how 25 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:33,089 Miles Bloxson: they're impacting women 26 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:33,989 Miles Bloxson: and members of the 27 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:34,990 Miles Bloxson: LGBTQIA+ 28 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:36,929 Miles Bloxson: community. 29 00:00:36,930 --> 00:00:37,949 Elizabeth McQueen: Initially, we 30 00:00:37,950 --> 00:00:38,789 Elizabeth McQueen: thought this would be one 31 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:40,019 Elizabeth McQueen: episode, but then 32 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:40,889 Elizabeth McQueen: we realized that 33 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:41,999 Elizabeth McQueen: each topic needed 34 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,049 Elizabeth McQueen: its own episode 35 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:43,919 Elizabeth McQueen: because these are 36 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,059 Elizabeth McQueen: intense, important, 37 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:45,989 Elizabeth McQueen: and complicated 38 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:46,679 Elizabeth McQueen: issues. 39 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,729 Miles Bloxson: In this particular 40 00:00:47,730 --> 00:00:48,929 Miles Bloxson: episode, we're going 41 00:00:48,930 --> 00:00:50,309 Miles Bloxson: to explore how Texass 42 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:51,839 Miles Bloxson: ban on abortions is 43 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,099 Miles Bloxson: impacting women in 44 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:53,909 Miles Bloxson: our scene. 45 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:54,899 Elizabeth McQueen: And in the next one, 46 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:56,069 Elizabeth McQueen: we'll look at how proposed 47 00:00:56,070 --> 00:00:57,059 Elizabeth McQueen: restrictions on drag 48 00:00:57,060 --> 00:00:58,139 Elizabeth McQueen: performances and 49 00:00:58,140 --> 00:00:58,979 Elizabeth McQueen: the ban on gender 50 00:00:58,980 --> 00:00:59,759 Elizabeth McQueen: affirming care for 51 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,629 Elizabeth McQueen: minors is 52 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:01,529 Elizabeth McQueen: affecting members 53 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:02,999 Elizabeth McQueen: of the LGBTQIa 54 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Elizabeth McQueen: plus community. 55 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,729 Miles Bloxson: In 2022, the Supreme 56 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:09,959 Miles Bloxson: Court overturned Roe 57 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:11,099 Miles Bloxson: versus Wade, which 58 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:11,909 Miles Bloxson: allowed states to 59 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:12,779 Miles Bloxson: create and enforce 60 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:13,859 Miles Bloxson: their own abortion 61 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:15,239 Miles Bloxson: laws. This triggered 62 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,409 Miles Bloxson: a law that was already 63 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:18,179 Miles Bloxson: on the books from 2021 64 00:01:18,180 --> 00:01:19,319 Miles Bloxson: that made nearly all 65 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:20,909 Miles Bloxson: abortions illegal in 66 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:22,109 Miles Bloxson: Texas. 67 00:01:22,110 --> 00:01:22,979 Elizabeth McQueen: We asked our good friend 68 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:24,119 Elizabeth McQueen: Sergio to help us 69 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,229 Elizabeth McQueen: understand the abortion 70 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:26,069 Elizabeth McQueen: ban. 71 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:26,939 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Yes, my name 72 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:27,959 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: is Sergio Martinez 73 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:28,979 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Beltran, and 74 00:01:28,980 --> 00:01:30,149 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: I'm a national correspondent 75 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:30,929 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: with NPR, 76 00:01:30,930 --> 00:01:31,949 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and I cover immigration 77 00:01:31,950 --> 00:01:32,759 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: now, but 78 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,809 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: used to be at the Texas 79 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:34,649 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Newsroom, which is 80 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:35,459 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: a collaboration of 81 00:01:35,460 --> 00:01:36,389 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: public radio stations 82 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:37,199 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in Texas for 83 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,249 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: two years. 84 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:39,059 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Sergio was 85 00:01:39,060 --> 00:01:40,499 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: covering the legislature 86 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,489 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: when Roe versus Wade 87 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:42,569 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: was overturned, 88 00:01:42,570 --> 00:01:43,439 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and he told us 89 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,309 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: what the law means 90 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:46,139 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: for women in Texas. 91 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:47,689 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: It's very simple. 92 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:48,659 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Abortions 93 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:49,889 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: are 94 00:01:49,890 --> 00:01:51,059 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: basically banned 95 00:01:51,060 --> 00:01:52,109 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in the state of Texas 96 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:53,429 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: unless the 97 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:54,659 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: women is at 98 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:55,619 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: risk, like her, life 99 00:01:55,620 --> 00:01:56,759 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: is at risk. 100 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,629 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: There are no exceptions 101 00:01:57,630 --> 00:01:58,649 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: for rape or incest 102 00:01:58,650 --> 00:01:59,609 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: like in other 103 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:00,599 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: states. 104 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:01,409 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: It's pretty much if the 105 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:02,249 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: woman is 106 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:03,659 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: about to die, 107 00:02:03,660 --> 00:02:04,439 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then an abortion 108 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,519 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: could happen. 109 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,569 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: If she has a chance 110 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:07,959 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: of not dying, 111 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,758 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then they 112 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:09,538 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: have to continue with 113 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:10,679 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the pregnancy. 114 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,849 Elizabeth McQueen: The law also says 115 00:02:11,850 --> 00:02:12,629 Elizabeth McQueen: that if a woman 116 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:13,619 Elizabeth McQueen: is at risk of, 117 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:14,879 Elizabeth McQueen: quote, substantial 118 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,809 Elizabeth McQueen: impairment of a 119 00:02:15,810 --> 00:02:16,589 Elizabeth McQueen: major bodily 120 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:17,939 Elizabeth McQueen: function, then an 121 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:18,899 Elizabeth McQueen: abortion can be 122 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:19,889 Elizabeth McQueen: performed. 123 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:20,759 Elizabeth McQueen: But that wording 124 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,569 Elizabeth McQueen: is not well 125 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:22,739 Elizabeth McQueen: defined in the law. 126 00:02:22,740 --> 00:02:23,549 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: In December of 127 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:24,839 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: 2023, a 128 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,769 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pregnant woman named 129 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:26,849 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: Kate Cox 130 00:02:26,850 --> 00:02:28,139 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: challenged Texass 131 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:29,369 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion law. 132 00:02:29,370 --> 00:02:30,359 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: A medical doctor 133 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,199 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had told her she 134 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,159 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had a non-viable 135 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,269 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pregnancy, 136 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:34,079 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and so she 137 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:34,859 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: needed to have an 138 00:02:34,860 --> 00:02:36,329 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion, and 139 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:37,259 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: she sued 140 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:38,039 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the state 141 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,939 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: to try to get 142 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:40,319 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the care she needed. 143 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,279 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: A court said yes 144 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,149 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: initially, and 145 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:42,929 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: then the 146 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:44,519 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: appeals process continued. 147 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,509 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: And, takes 148 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:46,859 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: the Supreme Court 149 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:47,639 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: pretty much said that 150 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:48,839 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: she, you 151 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,709 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: know, they understood 152 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:50,819 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: her concerns. 153 00:02:50,820 --> 00:02:51,659 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: But what the 154 00:02:51,660 --> 00:02:52,439 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: evidence presented by the 155 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,399 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: doctor was not clear. 156 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,299 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: So long story 157 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:55,109 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: short, Kate Cox 158 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:55,919 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: could not 159 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,119 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: receive treatment 160 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,899 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: in the state, so she 161 00:02:57,900 --> 00:02:59,189 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: had to leave the state 162 00:02:59,190 --> 00:03:00,119 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: of Texas 163 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,989 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: and get the 164 00:03:00,990 --> 00:03:02,219 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: abortion somewhere 165 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:02,789 Sergio Martinez-Beltran: else. 166 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:03,959 Elizabeth McQueen: So abortions have 167 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,399 Elizabeth McQueen: become extremely 168 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,779 Elizabeth McQueen: rare in Texas. 169 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:07,889 Miles Bloxson: According to the Texas 170 00:03:07,890 --> 00:03:08,759 Miles Bloxson: Department of Health 171 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:09,959 Miles Bloxson: and Human Services. 172 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,699 Miles Bloxson: In 2021, there were 173 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:13,739 Miles Bloxson: over 50,000 abortions 174 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:14,579 Miles Bloxson: provided in our 175 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:15,239 Miles Bloxson: state. 176 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,039 Elizabeth McQueen: In 2023, there 177 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:17,909 Elizabeth McQueen: were 62. 178 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:18,839 Miles Bloxson: The nearest place to 179 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,829 Miles Bloxson: Austin where a woman 180 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:20,609 Miles Bloxson: can get a legal 181 00:03:20,610 --> 00:03:21,869 Miles Bloxson: abortion is either 182 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:23,729 Miles Bloxson: 550 miles away 183 00:03:23,730 --> 00:03:25,139 Miles Bloxson: in Wichita, Kansas, 184 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:27,119 Miles Bloxson: or 590 miles away 185 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,469 Miles Bloxson: in Santa Teresa, New 186 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:29,309 Miles Bloxson: Mexico. 187 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:30,509 Elizabeth McQueen: And for some Texans, 188 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:32,009 Elizabeth McQueen: this is a big win. 189 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:32,849 Elizabeth McQueen: This is our governor, 190 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:33,749 Elizabeth McQueen: Greg Abbott at 191 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:34,739 Elizabeth McQueen: the rally for life 192 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:36,269 Elizabeth McQueen: in 2023. 193 00:03:36,270 --> 00:03:38,219 Greg Abbott: All of us are united by 194 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:39,929 Greg Abbott: the truth that our 195 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:41,969 Greg Abbott: creator endowed us with 196 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:44,069 Greg Abbott: the right to life. 197 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:46,199 Greg Abbott: And there is no freedom 198 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,939 Greg Abbott: more precious than life 199 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:48,940 Greg Abbott: itself. 200 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:55,289 Greg Abbott: But this is my sad 201 00:03:55,290 --> 00:03:56,609 Greg Abbott: reality. 202 00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:57,779 Greg Abbott: For millions of 203 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:59,699 Greg Abbott: children, we're losing 204 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:01,709 Greg Abbott: their lives every year 205 00:04:01,710 --> 00:04:03,599 Greg Abbott: in Texas before they 206 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,309 Greg Abbott: were even born. 207 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:07,949 Greg Abbott: But not 208 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:09,779 Greg Abbott: any more in 209 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:10,780 Greg Abbott: Texas. 210 00:04:17,630 --> 00:04:18,859 Greg Abbott: Because of your 211 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:20,179 Greg Abbott: decades. 212 00:04:20,180 --> 00:04:22,519 Greg Abbott: Decades of advocating 213 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,929 Greg Abbott: for life. 214 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:26,059 Greg Abbott: Abortion is no 215 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:28,279 Greg Abbott: longer legal in Texas. 216 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,689 Miles Bloxson: We wanted to know how 217 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:37,799 Miles Bloxson: this law was affecting 218 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,879 Miles Bloxson: women in the Austin 219 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,079 Miles Bloxson: music scene. 220 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,309 Elizabeth McQueen: We heard stories 221 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:42,269 Elizabeth McQueen: of women canceling 222 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:43,109 Elizabeth McQueen: shows because they 223 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:43,949 Elizabeth McQueen: had to travel to New 224 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:44,999 Elizabeth McQueen: Mexico to get an 225 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,379 Elizabeth McQueen: abortion, or of 226 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:47,219 Elizabeth McQueen: women helping other 227 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:48,029 Elizabeth McQueen: women get access 228 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:49,469 Elizabeth McQueen: to abortion care. 229 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:50,399 Elizabeth McQueen: But it was hard to get 230 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,239 Elizabeth McQueen: people to talk to us 231 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,229 Elizabeth McQueen: on the record. 232 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:53,729 Miles Bloxson: But some women did 233 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:54,749 Miles Bloxson: feel comfortable speaking 234 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:55,649 Miles Bloxson: with us about how 235 00:04:55,650 --> 00:04:56,699 Miles Bloxson: these abortion laws 236 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:57,509 Miles Bloxson: are affecting our 237 00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:58,679 Miles Bloxson: music scene. 238 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:59,549 Elizabeth McQueen: The first woman we 239 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:00,389 Elizabeth McQueen: spoke to was 240 00:05:00,390 --> 00:05:00,929 Elizabeth McQueen: Adrian. 241 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:02,159 Adrienne Lake: I'm Adrienne Lake. 242 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,569 Adrienne Lake: I'm the co-owner of 243 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:04,739 Adrienne Lake: Daydream Believer 244 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:05,849 Adrienne Lake: Creative with my 245 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:07,289 Adrienne Lake: partner Charlie Faye, 246 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:08,669 Adrienne Lake: and we are music 247 00:05:08,670 --> 00:05:09,869 Adrienne Lake: consultants and we 248 00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:11,189 Adrienne Lake: work with music 249 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:12,839 Adrienne Lake: businesses, nonprofits 250 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:14,009 Adrienne Lake: and artists. 251 00:05:14,010 --> 00:05:15,149 Adrienne Lake: And we do just a 252 00:05:15,150 --> 00:05:16,139 Adrienne Lake: little bit of whatever 253 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:17,969 Adrienne Lake: anybody needs. 254 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:19,439 Adrienne Lake: A lot of consulting, 255 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,449 Adrienne Lake: some PR 256 00:05:21,450 --> 00:05:23,189 Adrienne Lake: they even, produced a 257 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:24,659 Adrienne Lake: video here and there, 258 00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:25,919 Adrienne Lake: you know, you name 259 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,939 Adrienne Lake: it, we probably do 260 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:27,719 Adrienne Lake: it. 261 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,069 Miles Bloxson: We asked Adrian how 262 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:29,939 Miles Bloxson: she felt when the 263 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:31,439 Miles Bloxson: Texas abortion law 264 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,789 Miles Bloxson: came down. 265 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:34,739 Adrienne Lake: It was like a punch 266 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:36,059 Adrienne Lake: to the gut. You know, 267 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:38,399 Adrienne Lake: on on one hand. 268 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,869 Adrienne Lake: This is what's been 269 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:42,789 Adrienne Lake: happening. We've seen 270 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:43,779 Adrienne Lake: these restrictions 271 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:45,009 Adrienne Lake: happening with, you 272 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:46,989 Adrienne Lake: know, the queer community 273 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:48,879 Adrienne Lake: and, voter 274 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,259 Adrienne Lake: suppression. 275 00:05:50,260 --> 00:05:51,260 Adrienne Lake: And, 276 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,289 Adrienne Lake: so the war on all 277 00:05:53,290 --> 00:05:54,159 Adrienne Lake: these folks and now 278 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,809 Adrienne Lake: the war on women, no 279 00:05:55,810 --> 00:05:56,979 Adrienne Lake: bodily autonomy. 280 00:05:56,980 --> 00:05:57,909 Adrienne Lake: And that's that's 281 00:05:57,910 --> 00:05:58,929 Adrienne Lake: absolutely 282 00:05:58,930 --> 00:06:00,489 Adrienne Lake: devastating. 283 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:02,409 Adrienne Lake: So when 284 00:06:02,410 --> 00:06:03,189 Adrienne Lake: it happened, there 285 00:06:03,190 --> 00:06:04,959 Adrienne Lake: were a lot of conversations 286 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,059 Adrienne Lake: in person and online, 287 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:07,899 Adrienne Lake: people saying they were 288 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:08,679 Adrienne Lake: packing up and 289 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,509 Adrienne Lake: leaving, hearing 290 00:06:10,510 --> 00:06:12,579 Adrienne Lake: men saying, well, 291 00:06:12,580 --> 00:06:13,899 Adrienne Lake: it's time for that mastectomy. 292 00:06:15,010 --> 00:06:17,349 Adrienne Lake: And, actually hearing 293 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:19,089 Adrienne Lake: women saying, you 294 00:06:19,090 --> 00:06:21,639 Adrienne Lake: know, I guess 295 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,259 Adrienne Lake: we're going to have, 296 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:24,189 Adrienne Lake: you know, surgery to 297 00:06:24,190 --> 00:06:25,599 Adrienne Lake: make sure that we 298 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,219 Adrienne Lake: aren't forced into a 299 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:28,809 Adrienne Lake: bad situation. 300 00:06:28,810 --> 00:06:30,429 Adrienne Lake: And that was before 301 00:06:30,430 --> 00:06:31,659 Adrienne Lake: the Kate Cox 302 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:32,619 Adrienne Lake: situation. 303 00:06:32,620 --> 00:06:34,299 Adrienne Lake: And so we just 304 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:35,559 Adrienne Lake: recently watched all 305 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,429 Adrienne Lake: those fears be 306 00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:38,319 Adrienne Lake: completely validated. 307 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,189 Elizabeth McQueen: Can you describe what 308 00:06:39,190 --> 00:06:40,029 Elizabeth McQueen: that felt like, 309 00:06:40,030 --> 00:06:40,899 Elizabeth McQueen: seeing that 310 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,220 Elizabeth McQueen: situation unfold? 311 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:45,379 Adrienne Lake: Well, again. 312 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:47,529 Adrienne Lake: Just completely. 313 00:06:47,530 --> 00:06:48,549 Adrienne Lake: Devastating. 314 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:50,289 Adrienne Lake: It's really hard to 315 00:06:50,290 --> 00:06:52,989 Adrienne Lake: wrap your head around 316 00:06:52,990 --> 00:06:54,099 Adrienne Lake: these people in 317 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:55,239 Adrienne Lake: charge of controlling 318 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,529 Adrienne Lake: other people's lives 319 00:06:56,530 --> 00:06:57,609 Adrienne Lake: and bodies, and they 320 00:06:57,610 --> 00:06:59,499 Adrienne Lake: know nothing about 321 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,239 Adrienne Lake: it, and they don't 322 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,919 Adrienne Lake: care. They don't even 323 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,179 Adrienne Lake: care if it's a 324 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:05,889 Adrienne Lake: situation where, you 325 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:06,789 Adrienne Lake: know, the child was 326 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:07,629 Adrienne Lake: wanted. But there are 327 00:07:07,630 --> 00:07:09,249 Adrienne Lake: medical issues. 328 00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:10,089 Adrienne Lake: They don't care if 329 00:07:10,090 --> 00:07:11,409 Adrienne Lake: the mother's life is 330 00:07:11,410 --> 00:07:12,909 Adrienne Lake: at risk. 331 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:14,709 Adrienne Lake: It's about control. 332 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:16,599 Adrienne Lake: And these types 333 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,489 Adrienne Lake: of things affect the 334 00:07:18,490 --> 00:07:20,649 Adrienne Lake: creative class and 335 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:21,819 Adrienne Lake: people who struggle 336 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:23,079 Adrienne Lake: financially more than 337 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,369 Adrienne Lake: anybody else. 338 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:25,689 Adrienne Lake: Fortunately, as 339 00:07:25,690 --> 00:07:27,579 Adrienne Lake: artists and 340 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:28,869 Adrienne Lake: as people with a 341 00:07:28,870 --> 00:07:30,129 Adrienne Lake: platform including, 342 00:07:30,130 --> 00:07:31,569 Adrienne Lake: you know. 343 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:33,219 Adrienne Lake: Venue owners, talent 344 00:07:33,220 --> 00:07:34,239 Adrienne Lake: buyers, etc. etc. 345 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,259 Adrienne Lake: we can do something 346 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:36,879 Adrienne Lake: about it. We can make 347 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,259 Adrienne Lake: our voices heard. 348 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:40,419 Adrienne Lake: And I do think that 349 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:41,979 Adrienne Lake: it is our obligation 350 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,179 Adrienne Lake: to do that. 351 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:44,259 Adrienne Lake: Back when I was a talent 352 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:46,149 Adrienne Lake: buyer, I 353 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:47,259 Adrienne Lake: thought, wow, what a 354 00:07:47,260 --> 00:07:48,549 Adrienne Lake: gift it is to have 355 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:50,469 Adrienne Lake: these actual 356 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:51,699 Adrienne Lake: and figurative 357 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:53,529 Adrienne Lake: platforms that we can 358 00:07:53,530 --> 00:07:54,459 Adrienne Lake: make statements and 359 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:55,629 Adrienne Lake: do good for the community 360 00:07:55,630 --> 00:07:56,829 Adrienne Lake: and hold benefits and 361 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:58,689 Adrienne Lake: spread awareness and, 362 00:07:58,690 --> 00:07:59,499 Adrienne Lake: you know, get out the 363 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:01,209 Adrienne Lake: vote organizations. 364 00:08:01,210 --> 00:08:02,919 Adrienne Lake: So that is one good 365 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,969 Adrienne Lake: thing that we have 366 00:08:03,970 --> 00:08:05,439 Adrienne Lake: going for us. 367 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,489 Adrienne Lake: That in the fact 368 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:07,869 Adrienne Lake: that, I think we're 369 00:08:07,870 --> 00:08:08,919 Adrienne Lake: really blessed to 370 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,969 Adrienne Lake: have a great community 371 00:08:09,970 --> 00:08:11,889 Adrienne Lake: here in Austin, and 372 00:08:11,890 --> 00:08:13,509 Adrienne Lake: it's nice to know 373 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:14,319 Adrienne Lake: that if something 374 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,059 Adrienne Lake: happened, you know, 375 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:16,929 Adrienne Lake: we know that there would be 376 00:08:16,930 --> 00:08:17,769 Adrienne Lake: a community that would 377 00:08:17,770 --> 00:08:18,770 Adrienne Lake: have our backs. 378 00:08:20,290 --> 00:08:21,069 Elizabeth McQueen: And then our 379 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:22,299 Elizabeth McQueen: friend Amanda Garcia 380 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:23,079 Elizabeth McQueen: helped us get a 381 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:23,979 Elizabeth McQueen: group of women from 382 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:24,819 Elizabeth McQueen: the Austin music 383 00:08:24,820 --> 00:08:25,599 Elizabeth McQueen: scene together to 384 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,949 Elizabeth McQueen: talk to us about 385 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:28,539 Elizabeth McQueen: their personal experiences 386 00:08:28,540 --> 00:08:29,769 Elizabeth McQueen: with the Texas abortion 387 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:30,489 Elizabeth McQueen: ban. 388 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:31,599 DJ Cassandra: Hello? 389 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,069 DJ Cassandra: I'm DJ Cassandra. 390 00:08:33,070 --> 00:08:34,509 DJ Cassandra: My name is Cassandra, 391 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:35,949 DJ Cassandra: and that's also my 392 00:08:35,950 --> 00:08:36,759 DJ Cassandra: deejay name. So I'm 393 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,779 DJ Cassandra: also a DJ and a 394 00:08:37,780 --> 00:08:39,399 DJ Cassandra: composer and educator 395 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,959 DJ Cassandra: as well, living here 396 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,459 DJ Cassandra: in Texas, in Austin, 397 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:43,209 DJ Cassandra: Texas. 398 00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:44,559 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I am Amanda 399 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,299 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Garcia Davenport. 400 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:47,199 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I am a 401 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,099 Amanda Garcia Davenport: membership manager 402 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:48,879 Amanda Garcia Davenport: at the Recording 403 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:49,959 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Academy, and 404 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,069 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I'm also a mother 405 00:08:51,070 --> 00:08:52,269 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and a wife and 406 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:53,439 Amanda Garcia Davenport: a music fan. 407 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,509 Qi Dada: So my name is Kidada. 408 00:08:55,510 --> 00:08:56,379 Qi Dada: I'm one half of Writers 409 00:08:56,380 --> 00:08:58,449 Qi Dada: Against the Storm musical 410 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:00,369 Qi Dada: hip hop duo, and 411 00:09:00,370 --> 00:09:01,989 Qi Dada: I am a mother and I am a 412 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:03,849 Qi Dada: wife. I'm a producer, 413 00:09:03,850 --> 00:09:06,459 Qi Dada: and I really enjoy, 414 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:07,749 Qi Dada: elevating the spiritual 415 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:09,369 Qi Dada: notion of women in the 416 00:09:09,370 --> 00:09:10,149 Qi Dada: world. 417 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:11,799 Cheyenne Doerr: Yes. Hello, my name 418 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,329 Cheyenne Doerr: is Cheyenne Doerr I 419 00:09:13,330 --> 00:09:14,559 Cheyenne Doerr: am, now an 420 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,149 Cheyenne Doerr: independent publicist 421 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:17,439 Cheyenne Doerr: and live event producer 422 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,279 Cheyenne Doerr: working mostly in 423 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,239 Cheyenne Doerr: the music entertainment, 424 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,709 Cheyenne Doerr: culture spaces. 425 00:09:20,710 --> 00:09:22,329 Cheyenne Doerr: I'm also a member of 426 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:23,439 Cheyenne Doerr: the Recording Academy 427 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,399 Cheyenne Doerr: and work with Amanda 428 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,899 Cheyenne Doerr: on a group in. 429 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:26,979 Cheyenne Doerr: It's a global nonprofit 430 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:27,979 Cheyenne Doerr: called Women in Music. 431 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:28,929 Cheyenne Doerr: We just launched our 432 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:30,849 Cheyenne Doerr: Austin chapter, and 433 00:09:30,850 --> 00:09:31,959 Cheyenne Doerr: I am currently splitting 434 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,009 Cheyenne Doerr: my time between 435 00:09:33,010 --> 00:09:34,239 Cheyenne Doerr: Austin and just 436 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,379 Cheyenne Doerr: generally Central Texas 437 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:37,449 Cheyenne Doerr: in LA. So half 438 00:09:37,450 --> 00:09:39,190 Cheyenne Doerr: and half these days. 439 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:41,769 Elizabeth McQueen: We started out by 440 00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:42,849 Elizabeth McQueen: asking them how 441 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:43,689 Elizabeth McQueen: they felt when 442 00:09:43,690 --> 00:09:44,649 Elizabeth McQueen: the Texas abortion 443 00:09:44,650 --> 00:09:45,759 Elizabeth McQueen: ban went into 444 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,989 Elizabeth McQueen: effect. 445 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:48,579 DJ Cassandra: You know, it's just 446 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:50,769 DJ Cassandra: that, feeling when 447 00:09:50,770 --> 00:09:51,579 DJ Cassandra: your throat, like, 448 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:52,479 DJ Cassandra: drops into your 449 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,399 DJ Cassandra: stomach, kind of like. 450 00:09:55,510 --> 00:09:56,950 DJ Cassandra: Oh, explicit word 451 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,399 DJ Cassandra: and oh, explicit word 452 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,779 DJ Cassandra: for everybody. 453 00:10:01,780 --> 00:10:02,799 DJ Cassandra: I know all the women 454 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,899 DJ Cassandra: in this city and 455 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:05,859 DJ Cassandra: state. 456 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:07,659 DJ Cassandra: And it was just like, 457 00:10:07,660 --> 00:10:09,669 DJ Cassandra: okay, that at first. 458 00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:10,809 DJ Cassandra: And then, all right, 459 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:13,689 DJ Cassandra: how are we going to 460 00:10:13,690 --> 00:10:14,589 DJ Cassandra: fight this? How are we 461 00:10:14,590 --> 00:10:15,549 DJ Cassandra: going to come together? 462 00:10:15,550 --> 00:10:16,570 DJ Cassandra: And then it was 463 00:10:17,830 --> 00:10:19,389 DJ Cassandra: honestly like, ever 464 00:10:19,390 --> 00:10:21,759 DJ Cassandra: since that like 2022, 465 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:22,539 DJ Cassandra: it's just been like 466 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:24,729 DJ Cassandra: really empowering, 467 00:10:24,730 --> 00:10:26,649 DJ Cassandra: honestly, and 468 00:10:26,650 --> 00:10:28,899 DJ Cassandra: like a really 469 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:30,489 DJ Cassandra: beautiful community 470 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:31,389 DJ Cassandra: connection that I 471 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:33,279 DJ Cassandra: don't think would have 472 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,539 DJ Cassandra: happened before. 473 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:35,679 DJ Cassandra: Like, I mean, it was 474 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:36,759 DJ Cassandra: there before, but I 475 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,689 DJ Cassandra: think it's even more 476 00:10:37,690 --> 00:10:39,489 DJ Cassandra: and it's like, you 477 00:10:39,490 --> 00:10:40,689 DJ Cassandra: know, a lot of women 478 00:10:40,690 --> 00:10:42,219 DJ Cassandra: having these conversations 479 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:43,599 DJ Cassandra: like off the record 480 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,249 DJ Cassandra: and, you know, being 481 00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:46,239 DJ Cassandra: brought together and 482 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,169 DJ Cassandra: talking about it and 483 00:10:47,170 --> 00:10:47,979 DJ Cassandra: being like, oh, you 484 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,479 DJ Cassandra: stand for women's 485 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,799 DJ Cassandra: rights. You stance, 486 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,629 DJ Cassandra: you. Okay, I get 487 00:10:52,630 --> 00:10:53,769 DJ Cassandra: you. 488 00:10:53,770 --> 00:10:54,549 Miles Bloxson: Amanda. What about 489 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:56,649 Miles Bloxson: you? When you heard the news. 490 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:57,759 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Very similar 491 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,229 Amanda Garcia Davenport: that, like, 492 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:00,189 Amanda Garcia Davenport: drop in my 493 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:01,190 Amanda Garcia Davenport: stomach. 494 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,619 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Really scared 495 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:03,620 Amanda Garcia Davenport: for a lot of 496 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,709 Amanda Garcia Davenport: women in my 497 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:06,489 Amanda Garcia Davenport: family, in 498 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:08,079 Amanda Garcia Davenport: my community, 499 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,099 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and scared for myself 500 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:10,239 Amanda Garcia Davenport: because at 501 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,049 Amanda Garcia Davenport: the time, my husband 502 00:11:11,050 --> 00:11:12,219 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and I knew that 503 00:11:12,220 --> 00:11:13,209 Amanda Garcia Davenport: we probably wanted 504 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:14,109 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to have another baby, 505 00:11:14,110 --> 00:11:15,699 Amanda Garcia Davenport: but we hadn't yet. 506 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:16,539 Amanda Garcia Davenport: So that was really 507 00:11:16,540 --> 00:11:17,979 Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary. 508 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:18,939 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I guess a little 509 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:20,529 Amanda Garcia Davenport: bit of background 510 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:21,399 Amanda Garcia Davenport: before I had 511 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:22,179 Amanda Garcia Davenport: my first daughter, I had 512 00:11:22,180 --> 00:11:22,989 Amanda Garcia Davenport: a miscarriage 513 00:11:22,990 --> 00:11:24,309 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and didn't 514 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:25,269 Amanda Garcia Davenport: know how common 515 00:11:25,270 --> 00:11:26,409 Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was and 516 00:11:26,410 --> 00:11:27,369 Amanda Garcia Davenport: immediately found 517 00:11:27,370 --> 00:11:28,269 Amanda Garcia Davenport: out because this 518 00:11:28,270 --> 00:11:29,229 Amanda Garcia Davenport: like circle of women 519 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:30,069 Amanda Garcia Davenport: came to me that were 520 00:11:30,070 --> 00:11:30,999 Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, me 521 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,779 Amanda Garcia Davenport: too, or, you 522 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:32,559 Amanda Garcia Davenport: know, that happened to 523 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,759 Amanda Garcia Davenport: me and I 524 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,719 Amanda Garcia Davenport: just learned how common 525 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,769 Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was, and 526 00:11:35,770 --> 00:11:36,579 Amanda Garcia Davenport: it really 527 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:37,509 Amanda Garcia Davenport: helped me be able 528 00:11:37,510 --> 00:11:38,529 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to kind of speak 529 00:11:38,530 --> 00:11:39,729 Amanda Garcia Davenport: about my experience 530 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:40,659 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to other women that 531 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:41,919 Amanda Garcia Davenport: later on that 532 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,569 Amanda Garcia Davenport: had that happen to 533 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:44,349 Amanda Garcia Davenport: them. When I had my first 534 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:45,459 Amanda Garcia Davenport: daughter, I 535 00:11:45,460 --> 00:11:46,509 Amanda Garcia Davenport: had really 536 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:47,769 Amanda Garcia Davenport: amazing pregnancy. 537 00:11:47,770 --> 00:11:48,909 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I felt like 538 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:49,929 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I was superhuman, 539 00:11:49,930 --> 00:11:51,279 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and then I had a really 540 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,719 Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary birth 541 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,649 Amanda Garcia Davenport: where we had to be 542 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:55,149 Amanda Garcia Davenport: rushed into, 543 00:11:55,150 --> 00:11:56,829 Amanda Garcia Davenport: an emergency C-section. 544 00:11:56,830 --> 00:11:58,749 Amanda Garcia Davenport: So going 545 00:11:58,750 --> 00:11:59,529 Amanda Garcia Davenport: into like 546 00:11:59,530 --> 00:12:00,609 Amanda Garcia Davenport: thinking about pregnancy 547 00:12:00,610 --> 00:12:01,809 Amanda Garcia Davenport: again and then also 548 00:12:01,810 --> 00:12:02,619 Amanda Garcia Davenport: knowing that I was 549 00:12:02,620 --> 00:12:03,579 Amanda Garcia Davenport: over 35, 550 00:12:03,580 --> 00:12:05,229 Amanda Garcia Davenport: which is considered geriatric, 551 00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:06,009 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I knew that there 552 00:12:06,010 --> 00:12:07,569 Amanda Garcia Davenport: was risk 553 00:12:07,570 --> 00:12:08,409 Amanda Garcia Davenport: associated 554 00:12:08,410 --> 00:12:09,849 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and that complications 555 00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:10,779 Amanda Garcia Davenport: could happen just 556 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:11,559 Amanda Garcia Davenport: given the history that 557 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:12,339 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I had 558 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:13,239 Amanda Garcia Davenport: experienced already. 559 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,169 Amanda Garcia Davenport: So it was really 560 00:12:14,170 --> 00:12:15,099 Amanda Garcia Davenport: scary when 561 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:15,939 Amanda Garcia Davenport: everything went 562 00:12:15,940 --> 00:12:17,739 Amanda Garcia Davenport: down, and I 563 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:18,609 Amanda Garcia Davenport: knew that I was lucky 564 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:19,509 Amanda Garcia Davenport: enough to 565 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:21,159 Amanda Garcia Davenport: know different people 566 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,599 Amanda Garcia Davenport: within different organizations, 567 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,769 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and I felt confident 568 00:12:23,770 --> 00:12:24,789 Amanda Garcia Davenport: that my doctors would always 569 00:12:24,790 --> 00:12:25,569 Amanda Garcia Davenport: take care of me 570 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:26,679 Amanda Garcia Davenport: or help me 571 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:27,579 Amanda Garcia Davenport: find proper care 572 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:28,389 Amanda Garcia Davenport: if needed. 573 00:12:28,390 --> 00:12:29,199 Amanda Garcia Davenport: But 574 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,429 Amanda Garcia Davenport: terrifying. 575 00:12:30,430 --> 00:12:31,329 Amanda Garcia Davenport: And then also 576 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:32,109 Amanda Garcia Davenport: empowered at the 577 00:12:32,110 --> 00:12:32,979 Amanda Garcia Davenport: same time, because 578 00:12:32,980 --> 00:12:34,119 Amanda Garcia Davenport: then, like 579 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,409 Amanda Garcia Davenport: knowing 580 00:12:35,410 --> 00:12:36,219 Amanda Garcia Davenport: that I already 581 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:36,999 Amanda Garcia Davenport: had a daughter and 582 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,469 Amanda Garcia Davenport: making sure that like, 583 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:39,399 Amanda Garcia Davenport: it was my job 584 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,209 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to protect her 585 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:41,079 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and to have 586 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,299 Amanda Garcia Davenport: her set up for. 587 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:44,469 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Whatever she needed 588 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:45,489 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to get through. 589 00:12:45,490 --> 00:12:46,539 Amanda Garcia Davenport: So very, 590 00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:47,890 Amanda Garcia Davenport: like opposite. 591 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:50,409 Amanda Garcia Davenport: But all at 592 00:12:50,410 --> 00:12:51,410 Amanda Garcia Davenport: the same time. 593 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:54,110 Cheyenne Doerr: Qi Dada 594 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:55,929 Qi Dada: When I heard the news, 595 00:12:55,930 --> 00:12:57,219 Qi Dada: nothing about me was 596 00:12:57,220 --> 00:12:59,079 Qi Dada: shocked because I 597 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,339 Qi Dada: feel like I come from and 598 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:01,749 Qi Dada: represent a community 599 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:02,679 Qi Dada: that's always used to 600 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:03,909 Qi Dada: having the laws not apply 601 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:05,649 Qi Dada: to them anyway, so they're 602 00:13:05,650 --> 00:13:07,329 Qi Dada: always trying to find solutions 603 00:13:07,330 --> 00:13:08,319 Qi Dada: just in case the ball 604 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,369 Qi Dada: drops. 605 00:13:09,370 --> 00:13:10,449 Qi Dada: Because a lot of these 606 00:13:10,450 --> 00:13:12,369 Qi Dada: women I know, the workers 607 00:13:12,370 --> 00:13:14,199 Qi Dada: in the birth space 608 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,339 Qi Dada: and in social justice 609 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:16,929 Qi Dada: spaces are always looking 610 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:18,189 Qi Dada: for solutions outside of 611 00:13:18,190 --> 00:13:20,409 Qi Dada: the system, just in case 612 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:22,659 Qi Dada: they decide that the laws 613 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:23,799 Qi Dada: are going to be different 614 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,059 Qi Dada: and they're used to the 615 00:13:25,060 --> 00:13:25,899 Qi Dada: laws being different for 616 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:27,159 Qi Dada: them anyway. 617 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,659 Qi Dada: So they're always finding 618 00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:30,309 Qi Dada: resources and collecting 619 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:31,689 Qi Dada: knowledge and sitting with 620 00:13:31,690 --> 00:13:32,619 Qi Dada: people who have always sat 621 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:34,659 Qi Dada: outside of the structure 622 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:36,669 Qi Dada: to be able to provide 623 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:38,889 Qi Dada: the care necessary, should 624 00:13:38,890 --> 00:13:40,059 Qi Dada: should institutional care 625 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:41,589 Qi Dada: not be available. 626 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:42,549 Qi Dada: So it's kind of a 627 00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:44,979 Qi Dada: complicated thing where 628 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:46,929 Qi Dada: obviously, like no one 629 00:13:46,930 --> 00:13:48,849 Qi Dada: wants you're once 630 00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:50,139 Qi Dada: you're protective measures 631 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:51,939 Qi Dada: in the institutions to be 632 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:53,229 Qi Dada: stripped from you, not when 633 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:55,779 Qi Dada: you work and provide taxes 634 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:57,519 Qi Dada: and, you know, do your best 635 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,649 Qi Dada: to vote and secure 636 00:13:59,650 --> 00:14:01,389 Qi Dada: yourself in a complicated 637 00:14:01,390 --> 00:14:02,679 Qi Dada: relationship with your 638 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:03,680 Qi Dada: country. 639 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,469 Qi Dada: Nobody's looking for that. 640 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,389 Qi Dada: And the amount of women 641 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:09,219 Qi Dada: that I see fighting on both 642 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:11,049 Qi Dada: sides of it 643 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:12,939 Qi Dada: is really phenomenal to me 644 00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:14,379 Qi Dada: that are not trying to 645 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:15,380 Qi Dada: separate, 646 00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:17,559 Qi Dada: regardless of their 647 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,029 Qi Dada: philosophies are ideologies 648 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:20,469 Qi Dada: and not trying to separate 649 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:22,509 Qi Dada: the fact that we are 650 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:24,609 Qi Dada: all in need of each other 651 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:26,799 Qi Dada: because this reality. 652 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:29,399 Qi Dada: Is is so incredibly 653 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,869 Qi Dada: complicated and can sway 654 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,339 Qi Dada: one way or another. 655 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:34,259 Qi Dada: So it's imperative that we 656 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:35,759 Qi Dada: all know where to lean and 657 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,729 Qi Dada: how to lean when situations 658 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:39,840 Qi Dada: become really abrupt. 659 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,159 Cheyenne Doerr: Yeah, I, I would say 660 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,269 Cheyenne Doerr: kind of to Qi point, 661 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:46,319 Cheyenne Doerr: you know, I wasn't necessarily 662 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,519 Cheyenne Doerr: shocked when the specific 663 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,019 Cheyenne Doerr: Texas law came into 664 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:50,039 Cheyenne Doerr: play. I remember 665 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,879 Cheyenne Doerr: exactly where I was 666 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,989 Cheyenne Doerr: when row was overturned 667 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:53,639 Cheyenne Doerr: and my two female 668 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,419 Cheyenne Doerr: roommates and I, 669 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:55,679 Cheyenne Doerr: like, had a good cry 670 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,489 Cheyenne Doerr: and hugged each other. 671 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:57,299 Cheyenne Doerr: And it was just like, are 672 00:14:57,300 --> 00:14:58,199 Cheyenne Doerr: we really in this 673 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,819 Cheyenne Doerr: right now? And so 674 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:00,749 Cheyenne Doerr: obviously, of course, 675 00:15:00,750 --> 00:15:02,129 Cheyenne Doerr: when the Texas thing, 676 00:15:02,130 --> 00:15:02,939 Cheyenne Doerr: you know, just stamps 677 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:04,499 Cheyenne Doerr: the the realness of 678 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:05,579 Cheyenne Doerr: all this, it's crazy 679 00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:06,449 Cheyenne Doerr: that guns have more 680 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:07,919 Cheyenne Doerr: rights in this state 681 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,209 Cheyenne Doerr: than women, 682 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:10,469 Cheyenne Doerr: honestly. And just 683 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:11,309 Cheyenne Doerr: the fact that people 684 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:12,209 Cheyenne Doerr: that are deciding these 685 00:15:12,210 --> 00:15:13,799 Cheyenne Doerr: things have no idea 686 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:14,639 Cheyenne Doerr: the first thing about 687 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,569 Cheyenne Doerr: what they're honestly 688 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:16,439 Cheyenne Doerr: talking about. In many 689 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,279 Cheyenne Doerr: cases. 690 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,089 Elizabeth McQueen: Coming up after the 691 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:19,079 Elizabeth McQueen: break, you'll hear 692 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,039 Elizabeth McQueen: how these new laws 693 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,029 Elizabeth McQueen: impact women 694 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:22,139 Elizabeth McQueen: performers. 695 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:23,249 Miles Bloxson: Welcome back to Pause 696 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:24,179 Miles Bloxson: Play. In this 697 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:24,989 Miles Bloxson: episode, we're 698 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:26,039 Miles Bloxson: hearing how the Texas 699 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,239 Miles Bloxson: abortion ban is 700 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,349 Miles Bloxson: affecting women in 701 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:29,159 Miles Bloxson: the Austin music 702 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,329 Miles Bloxson: scene. And all of you 703 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:31,349 Miles Bloxson: ladies have a place 704 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:32,399 Miles Bloxson: in the Austin music scene. 705 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,359 Miles Bloxson: And, you know, music 706 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,379 Miles Bloxson: scene's beyond Austin 707 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:35,339 Miles Bloxson: as well, right? How 708 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:36,299 Miles Bloxson: do you feel like 709 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:38,039 Miles Bloxson: these new laws impact 710 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,539 Miles Bloxson: women performers like 711 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:40,419 Miles Bloxson: as a whole? 712 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:42,329 Qi Dada: I definitely feel like 713 00:15:42,330 --> 00:15:43,709 Qi Dada: women performers are always 714 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:45,569 Qi Dada: kind of in a special box. 715 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:46,499 Qi Dada: Like even if you're talking 716 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:47,579 Qi Dada: about not just music 717 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:48,960 Qi Dada: athletes like performers. 718 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:51,539 Qi Dada: It's complicated because 719 00:15:51,540 --> 00:15:53,729 Qi Dada: you're already your track 720 00:15:53,730 --> 00:15:56,249 Qi Dada: of career already indicates 721 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:57,479 Qi Dada: that you have to make 722 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,799 Qi Dada: choices about whether or 723 00:15:58,800 --> 00:15:59,969 Qi Dada: not you're gonna comply as 724 00:15:59,970 --> 00:16:01,109 Qi Dada: a mother, or are you going 725 00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:01,889 Qi Dada: to continue being an 726 00:16:01,890 --> 00:16:02,890 Qi Dada: artist? 727 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:05,609 Qi Dada: And so I feel like these 728 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:06,749 Qi Dada: laws and the way that 729 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:07,919 Qi Dada: they've played out 730 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,119 Qi Dada: complicate that even 731 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,639 Qi Dada: further. So now, 732 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,539 Qi Dada: I have to be concerned 733 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:13,589 Qi Dada: about whether or not my 734 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:15,359 Qi Dada: safety, even if I do choose 735 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,519 Qi Dada: that route, is in place 736 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,569 Qi Dada: in a situation where I'm 737 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,009 Qi Dada: already getting pushed 738 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:21,149 Qi Dada: because it's always you're 739 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:22,019 Qi Dada: always kind of like 740 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:23,489 Qi Dada: following a carrot, almost. 741 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:24,719 Qi Dada: You're just like, it's just 742 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,589 Qi Dada: a little bit further, just 743 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:26,429 Qi Dada: a little bit further, but a 744 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:27,299 Qi Dada: little bit further, a little 745 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:28,079 Qi Dada: bit further. 746 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,759 Qi Dada: And so you're always trying 747 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,619 Qi Dada: to balance when is 748 00:16:31,620 --> 00:16:32,939 Qi Dada: the right time. 749 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:34,139 Qi Dada: And then now you have to 750 00:16:34,140 --> 00:16:35,579 Qi Dada: balance whether or not it's 751 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:37,329 Qi Dada: safe for you to do so. 752 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:38,459 Qi Dada: Just as a whole lot of 753 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:40,529 Qi Dada: other level of stress as 754 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:41,429 Qi Dada: a woman, because you're 755 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:42,839 Qi Dada: already having to choose 756 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,279 Qi Dada: your career in a family 757 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,719 Qi Dada: because we're in a construct 758 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,769 Qi Dada: that isn't prioritized 759 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:47,969 Qi Dada: care. 760 00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:49,469 DJ Cassandra: I would love nothing 761 00:16:49,470 --> 00:16:51,059 DJ Cassandra: more than to have a 762 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:52,529 DJ Cassandra: kid and still have a 763 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:54,269 DJ Cassandra: career in music as a 764 00:16:54,270 --> 00:16:55,379 DJ Cassandra: performer. 765 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:56,339 DJ Cassandra: But just like you 766 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:57,869 DJ Cassandra: said, it's so 767 00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:58,679 DJ Cassandra: difficult and it 768 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,849 DJ Cassandra: shouldn't be that way. 769 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:01,439 DJ Cassandra: We should be able to 770 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,440 DJ Cassandra: have what 771 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:05,879 DJ Cassandra: we're born able to do, 772 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,169 DJ Cassandra: you know, and be able 773 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:08,848 DJ Cassandra: to do that, you know, 774 00:17:08,849 --> 00:17:11,279 DJ Cassandra: and we have to fight 775 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,449 DJ Cassandra: to do that. 776 00:17:12,450 --> 00:17:13,649 Miles Bloxson: Do you have kids yet? 777 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:14,459 DJ Cassandra: No, I don't. 778 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:16,469 DJ Cassandra: And honestly, if 779 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:19,318 DJ Cassandra: I were to have kids, 780 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:20,309 DJ Cassandra: I don't know, that 781 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:21,149 DJ Cassandra: would make me want to 782 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:22,318 DJ Cassandra: move out of Texas 783 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:23,249 DJ Cassandra: because I would be 784 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:24,689 DJ Cassandra: worried about if 785 00:17:24,690 --> 00:17:25,469 DJ Cassandra: something happened in 786 00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:26,999 DJ Cassandra: my pregnancy. 787 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,409 DJ Cassandra: I would not want to be 788 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:30,419 DJ Cassandra: here to do that 789 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:31,769 DJ Cassandra: at all because it is 790 00:17:31,770 --> 00:17:33,629 DJ Cassandra: terrifying reading the 791 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:34,829 DJ Cassandra: stories and 792 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:35,830 DJ Cassandra: everything. 793 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:37,769 Cheyenne Doerr: I've always been on 794 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:38,699 Cheyenne Doerr: the fence, honestly, about 795 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:39,869 Cheyenne Doerr: whether or not I want kids, 796 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:40,679 Cheyenne Doerr: especially when I think 797 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,489 Cheyenne Doerr: about wanting to do 798 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:42,509 Cheyenne Doerr: that. In theory, if 799 00:17:42,510 --> 00:17:43,679 Cheyenne Doerr: I were to in Texas, 800 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,579 Cheyenne Doerr: where my family is, 801 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:45,779 Cheyenne Doerr: but yet not feeling 802 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:46,559 Cheyenne Doerr: like it's a safe 803 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,549 Cheyenne Doerr: place to kind of do 804 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:48,329 Cheyenne Doerr: that, especially with 805 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:49,379 Cheyenne Doerr: the risks that go 806 00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:50,489 Cheyenne Doerr: into pregnancy and 807 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:51,419 Cheyenne Doerr: everything, that's kind of already 808 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:52,259 Cheyenne Doerr: been shared. And 809 00:17:52,260 --> 00:17:53,099 Cheyenne Doerr: when it comes to, you 810 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,419 Cheyenne Doerr: know, the idea is if 811 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:55,319 Cheyenne Doerr: I needed an abortion, 812 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,339 Cheyenne Doerr: I'm so grateful that 813 00:17:56,340 --> 00:17:57,569 Cheyenne Doerr: I have an amazingly 814 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:58,709 Cheyenne Doerr: supportive mother 815 00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:00,389 Cheyenne Doerr: who was like, if you 816 00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:01,319 Cheyenne Doerr: need to do that ever, 817 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,259 Cheyenne Doerr: you just tell me not 818 00:18:02,260 --> 00:18:03,149 Cheyenne Doerr: to tell anyone else. 819 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:04,169 Cheyenne Doerr: We'll go pretend 820 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:05,039 Cheyenne Doerr: we're taking a vacation 821 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,909 Cheyenne Doerr: somewhere, you know? 822 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:07,409 Cheyenne Doerr: And I realize, like, 823 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:09,359 Cheyenne Doerr: how also very lucky 824 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,289 Cheyenne Doerr: and privileged that is 825 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:11,939 Cheyenne Doerr: because so, so, so 826 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:13,139 Cheyenne Doerr: many women in this 827 00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:14,099 Cheyenne Doerr: state and other states 828 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:15,149 Cheyenne Doerr: where this is in place 829 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:16,439 Cheyenne Doerr: do not have that 830 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,369 Cheyenne Doerr: support system, do not 831 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:19,049 Cheyenne Doerr: have the means. 832 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:20,309 Cheyenne Doerr: So like, what do 833 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:21,269 Cheyenne Doerr: they do? You know, 834 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:22,169 Cheyenne Doerr: do they die? Do they 835 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:23,279 Cheyenne Doerr: have a baby. They can't 836 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,209 Cheyenne Doerr: or not ready for. 837 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:25,049 Cheyenne Doerr: It's just really that's 838 00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:26,009 Cheyenne Doerr: that part of it really 839 00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:27,629 Cheyenne Doerr: gets disheartening 840 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:28,800 Cheyenne Doerr: obviously. So. 841 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,229 Elizabeth McQueen: I wonder to like, 842 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:35,219 Elizabeth McQueen: do you guys find 843 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:37,259 Elizabeth McQueen: that these laws, 844 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:38,039 Elizabeth McQueen: do they make their 845 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,849 Elizabeth McQueen: way into like the 846 00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:40,409 Elizabeth McQueen: work that you make, 847 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:41,189 Elizabeth McQueen: not just how you 848 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:42,419 Elizabeth McQueen: approach your career 849 00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:43,409 Elizabeth McQueen: or how you think about 850 00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:44,249 Elizabeth McQueen: like family planning, 851 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:45,359 Elizabeth McQueen: but like the 852 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,679 Elizabeth McQueen: actual stuff that 853 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,509 Elizabeth McQueen: you do always. 854 00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:49,619 DJ Cassandra: I like pretty much 855 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:50,699 DJ Cassandra: most of my sets, 856 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:52,319 DJ Cassandra: unless it's like I'm 857 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,119 DJ Cassandra: being hired to play, 858 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,069 DJ Cassandra: you know, only 859 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:57,209 DJ Cassandra: these artists, this 860 00:18:57,210 --> 00:18:58,109 DJ Cassandra: genre or whatever, 861 00:18:58,110 --> 00:19:00,389 DJ Cassandra: pretty much always 862 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:02,189 DJ Cassandra: include a lot of, 863 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:03,479 DJ Cassandra: femme artists. 864 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,919 DJ Cassandra: And there are not a 865 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,789 DJ Cassandra: lot of DJs who do 866 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:07,739 DJ Cassandra: that. And I wish 867 00:19:07,740 --> 00:19:08,849 DJ Cassandra: there were more 868 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:09,929 DJ Cassandra: because there's a lot 869 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:11,339 DJ Cassandra: of different genres, 870 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:12,419 DJ Cassandra: different artists, different 871 00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:14,819 DJ Cassandra: women in Texas, 872 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:15,899 DJ Cassandra: Texas songwriters, 873 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,269 DJ Cassandra: Texas musicians, and 874 00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:19,049 DJ Cassandra: they should be 875 00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:20,279 DJ Cassandra: celebrated and played. 876 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,299 DJ Cassandra: And so it's like, I 877 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:23,159 DJ Cassandra: want to include them. 878 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,749 DJ Cassandra: I also want to hire 879 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:26,729 DJ Cassandra: mostly women for 880 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:27,719 DJ Cassandra: things. 881 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,789 DJ Cassandra: And that, 882 00:19:29,790 --> 00:19:30,869 DJ Cassandra: you know, was always 883 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:32,699 DJ Cassandra: like a yeah, but now 884 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:34,139 DJ Cassandra: it's like a yeah, like 885 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,089 DJ Cassandra: we want to support 886 00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:37,679 DJ Cassandra: this community, you 887 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,539 DJ Cassandra: know, in Austin, you 888 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:41,669 DJ Cassandra: know, I mean, however 889 00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:42,689 DJ Cassandra: much I can whenever I 890 00:19:42,690 --> 00:19:43,649 DJ Cassandra: travel. But mostly 891 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:44,429 DJ Cassandra: Austin, I feel like 892 00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:45,209 DJ Cassandra: that's the same way 893 00:19:45,210 --> 00:19:46,199 DJ Cassandra: whenever I get hired 894 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,200 DJ Cassandra: for events, 895 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:50,879 DJ Cassandra: gigs, whatever, it's 896 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,099 DJ Cassandra: women wanting to 897 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:54,389 DJ Cassandra: hire me to portray 898 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:55,469 DJ Cassandra: that as well, you 899 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:56,729 DJ Cassandra: know? And so it's 900 00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:57,779 DJ Cassandra: just, yeah, that weird 901 00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:59,369 DJ Cassandra: like, oh, wow. This is 902 00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:00,359 DJ Cassandra: I've never felt it so 903 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:01,319 DJ Cassandra: strong here, which is 904 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,909 DJ Cassandra: a reason why I just 905 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:04,169 DJ Cassandra: can't leave because 906 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:05,189 DJ Cassandra: I'll go somewhere else 907 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:06,239 DJ Cassandra: and it's just like, I, it's 908 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,079 DJ Cassandra: maybe it's because I've been 909 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,489 DJ Cassandra: here a long time, but 910 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:10,229 DJ Cassandra: I do feel that really 911 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:11,230 DJ Cassandra: strongly. 912 00:20:13,050 --> 00:20:13,919 DJ Cassandra: More more than ever 913 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,759 DJ Cassandra: within the last two 914 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,599 DJ Cassandra: few years, you know, a 915 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,589 DJ Cassandra: couple of years. 916 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:17,489 Elizabeth McQueen: Almost like the current 917 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:18,329 Elizabeth McQueen: state of things has 918 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:19,589 Elizabeth McQueen: made everyone 919 00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:20,429 Elizabeth McQueen: kind of lean more 920 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:21,430 Elizabeth McQueen: into like. 921 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:23,159 Elizabeth McQueen: Depending on each 922 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:23,969 Elizabeth McQueen: other, hiring each 923 00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:24,779 Elizabeth McQueen: other, promoting each 924 00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:25,679 Elizabeth McQueen: other. Yeah, that 925 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,249 Elizabeth McQueen: kind of thing. 926 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:27,749 DJ Cassandra: Yeah, yeah, a lot 927 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:28,679 DJ Cassandra: more. Yeah. Than it 928 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,459 DJ Cassandra: has ever been. 929 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:30,659 Elizabeth McQueen: And how about you, Shane? 930 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:31,469 Cheyenne Doerr: I think, you know, 931 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:32,399 Cheyenne Doerr: especially kind of 932 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,299 Cheyenne Doerr: in the world. I'm in 933 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:35,219 Cheyenne Doerr: with the work I do, 934 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:36,509 Cheyenne Doerr: spotlighting great 935 00:20:36,510 --> 00:20:37,619 Cheyenne Doerr: stories and people 936 00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:38,399 Cheyenne Doerr: that get me really 937 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,269 Cheyenne Doerr: excited working with 938 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:40,349 Cheyenne Doerr: certain non-profits 939 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:41,549 Cheyenne Doerr: like Future Front Texas, 940 00:20:41,550 --> 00:20:42,599 Cheyenne Doerr: which, you know, 941 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,499 Cheyenne Doerr: from the jump, have 942 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:44,489 Cheyenne Doerr: been throwing events 943 00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:45,779 Cheyenne Doerr: and doing a lot to really 944 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:46,799 Cheyenne Doerr: raise a lot of awareness 945 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,579 Cheyenne Doerr: around this and bring 946 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:48,389 Cheyenne Doerr: people together and 947 00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:49,679 Cheyenne Doerr: show that, like, you 948 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,759 Cheyenne Doerr: know, we still have 949 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,719 Cheyenne Doerr: each other. We are 950 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,769 Cheyenne Doerr: going to fight for the things 951 00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:53,639 Cheyenne Doerr: that we need. 952 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,229 Cheyenne Doerr: And it may not take 953 00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:56,189 Cheyenne Doerr: it may not happen today, 954 00:20:56,190 --> 00:20:57,689 Cheyenne Doerr: tomorrow in a year, 955 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:58,619 Cheyenne Doerr: ten years. But you 956 00:20:58,620 --> 00:20:59,459 Cheyenne Doerr: know, there's a lot of people 957 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:00,299 Cheyenne Doerr: that are not giving 958 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:01,799 Cheyenne Doerr: up and trying to 959 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,639 Cheyenne Doerr: make this state a 960 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,640 Cheyenne Doerr: better place. 961 00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:06,519 Qi Dada: I had a concert that I 962 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,989 Qi Dada: recently produced. 963 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:09,269 Qi Dada: Right. 964 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:11,109 Qi Dada: And all of the focus on 965 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:12,849 Qi Dada: that show was maternal 966 00:21:12,850 --> 00:21:14,799 Qi Dada: health, birth workers, 967 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Qi Dada: people who are in and 968 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,529 Qi Dada: around that environment 969 00:21:17,530 --> 00:21:19,179 Qi Dada: that know quite a bit. 970 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:20,739 Qi Dada: And for me, it was really 971 00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:21,789 Qi Dada: imperative was I became a 972 00:21:21,790 --> 00:21:23,579 Qi Dada: mother. And I think I 973 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:25,689 Qi Dada: again, to emphasize like 974 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:29,529 Qi Dada: the call per se. 975 00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:30,879 Qi Dada: Didn't necessarily come 976 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,369 Qi Dada: from what went down 977 00:21:33,370 --> 00:21:35,109 Qi Dada: in legislation because, 978 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:36,249 Qi Dada: again, these communities 979 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:37,329 Qi Dada: have always been like, I 980 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:39,249 Qi Dada: don't know what applies 981 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:40,749 Qi Dada: to me and what doesn't. 982 00:21:40,750 --> 00:21:41,859 Qi Dada: And so I'm going to create 983 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:42,729 Qi Dada: my own solutions. 984 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:44,769 Qi Dada: So like that show came 985 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:45,819 Qi Dada: from, you know, after birthing 986 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:46,899 Qi Dada: my child and really getting 987 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:47,889 Qi Dada: immersed in that world and 988 00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:48,699 Qi Dada: really seeing what these 989 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:49,809 Qi Dada: women were about and what 990 00:21:49,810 --> 00:21:51,399 Qi Dada: they were doing and how, 991 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,569 Qi Dada: well, you know, just the 992 00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:53,979 Qi Dada: solutions that they kept 993 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:54,909 Qi Dada: coming up with, the 994 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:56,319 Qi Dada: resources that they had, 995 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,879 Qi Dada: the brilliance and the the 996 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,679 Qi Dada: energy that they they were 997 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,909 Qi Dada: providing, the information, 998 00:22:00,910 --> 00:22:02,769 Qi Dada: they were like, oh, no, we 999 00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:03,999 Qi Dada: we got this. 1000 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,169 Qi Dada: And I was like, more women 1001 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:06,189 Qi Dada: need to know where they can 1002 00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:08,559 Qi Dada: go to feel that. 1003 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,089 Qi Dada: And so like that program, 1004 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:11,979 Qi Dada: for me, it was like a 1005 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:13,839 Qi Dada: bat signal, if 1006 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,059 Qi Dada: you will, so that people 1007 00:22:16,060 --> 00:22:17,679 Qi Dada: know, like, yes, this is 1008 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,699 Qi Dada: happening. 1009 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:20,469 Qi Dada: I understand, you know, the 1010 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:21,939 Qi Dada: fear. It's legitimate. 1011 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:23,469 Qi Dada: I understand the concern is 1012 00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:25,029 Qi Dada: legitimate, but they're 1013 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:26,139 Qi Dada: women who've battled all 1014 00:22:26,140 --> 00:22:27,609 Qi Dada: that fear in them that have 1015 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:29,229 Qi Dada: battled all these programs 1016 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:30,009 Qi Dada: out here, these 1017 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:30,999 Qi Dada: legislations, and 1018 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,349 Qi Dada: understand that it can go 1019 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:33,639 Qi Dada: either way at any point in 1020 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,659 Qi Dada: time. And they have their 1021 00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:36,579 Qi Dada: own systems and, you 1022 00:22:36,580 --> 00:22:38,679 Qi Dada: know, structures in place 1023 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,569 Qi Dada: to carry and catch women 1024 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:42,249 Qi Dada: when needed, when things 1025 00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:43,449 Qi Dada: are not in your favor. 1026 00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:45,129 Qi Dada: And also, you know, it's 1027 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:47,019 Qi Dada: all it's 1028 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:47,859 Qi Dada: all right. I'm not going to 1029 00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:49,149 Qi Dada: get on my soapbox, but it's 1030 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:51,309 Qi Dada: oh, 1031 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:52,119 Qi Dada: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not 1032 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,120 Qi Dada: gonna do it. 1033 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:55,629 Miles Bloxson: But that's 1034 00:22:55,630 --> 00:22:55,749 Miles Bloxson: all. 1035 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:56,979 Qi Dada: Right. But that's what it's 1036 00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:58,869 Qi Dada: for. So, you know, a 1037 00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:00,219 Qi Dada: lot of these women 1038 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:01,689 Qi Dada: understand the colonialist 1039 00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:03,759 Qi Dada: construct, the misogynistic 1040 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,709 Qi Dada: colonialist construct and 1041 00:23:05,710 --> 00:23:07,029 Qi Dada: what it's based on, and 1042 00:23:07,030 --> 00:23:08,829 Qi Dada: it's based on debasing 1043 00:23:08,830 --> 00:23:10,149 Qi Dada: human lives. 1044 00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:11,889 Qi Dada: The only way for you to get 1045 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:13,779 Qi Dada: super rich super fast is 1046 00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:14,949 Qi Dada: to be unconcerned about 1047 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:17,829 Qi Dada: life is to obliterate care, 1048 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:19,779 Qi Dada: including the planet, etc. 1049 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:20,679 Qi Dada: but you have a chain of 1050 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,449 Qi Dada: command of what that is and 1051 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:24,039 Qi Dada: you know, people of color, 1052 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,999 Qi Dada: women, etc. 1053 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,809 Qi Dada: they're not at the top of 1054 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:27,369 Qi Dada: that. These women have used 1055 00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:28,599 Qi Dada: their imaginations, saw 1056 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,709 Qi Dada: something greater than them 1057 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:30,879 Qi Dada: to have the kind of confidence 1058 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,889 Qi Dada: to be like, I'm on par, 1059 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:33,849 Qi Dada: if not greater, than the 1060 00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:35,679 Qi Dada: system I'm in, so I can 1061 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,269 Qi Dada: create solutions for myself 1062 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:38,319 Qi Dada: regardless of where the 1063 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,320 Qi Dada: wind blows with you. 1064 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:41,349 Qi Dada: And I think that's really 1065 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:43,209 Qi Dada: powerful. And I just wanted 1066 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:44,769 Qi Dada: to highlight women who took 1067 00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:47,109 Qi Dada: the time to deconstruct 1068 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:49,359 Qi Dada: themselves and to educate 1069 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,609 Qi Dada: themselves and to listen 1070 00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:53,559 Qi Dada: to alternate sources and 1071 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,899 Qi Dada: to learn and care 1072 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:57,039 Qi Dada: for the human, for the 1073 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,869 Qi Dada: feminine body, to the 1074 00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:00,159 Qi Dada: degree that they have. 1075 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,089 Qi Dada: You know what I mean? Just 1076 00:24:01,090 --> 00:24:02,109 Qi Dada: like whatever degree of 1077 00:24:02,110 --> 00:24:04,659 Qi Dada: care, care so important 1078 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:06,039 Qi Dada: to a healthy society. 1079 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,989 Qi Dada: And so I really 1080 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:09,609 Qi Dada: wanted to make sure that 1081 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:10,989 Qi Dada: people understood that that 1082 00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:13,089 Qi Dada: existed, that 1083 00:24:13,090 --> 00:24:15,129 Qi Dada: you didn't have to stay in 1084 00:24:15,130 --> 00:24:16,989 Qi Dada: this relegated space 1085 00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:18,309 Qi Dada: waiting for the other shoe 1086 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:20,289 Qi Dada: to drop, or having to exist 1087 00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:21,339 Qi Dada: in fear because the shoe 1088 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:22,179 Qi Dada: did drop. 1089 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:23,589 Qi Dada: Like all of this exist for 1090 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:24,429 Qi Dada: you too. 1091 00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:26,379 Qi Dada: And and you have a, what 1092 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:27,159 Qi Dada: they, they call hush 1093 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,119 Qi Dada: harbors. 1094 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:28,989 Qi Dada: They used to have these things 1095 00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:30,069 Qi Dada: called hush harbors where 1096 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:31,779 Qi Dada: you would secretly go and 1097 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:32,799 Qi Dada: care for yourself. 1098 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,789 Qi Dada: But it's not so hush. 1099 00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:34,689 Qi Dada: It doesn't have to be so 1100 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:36,459 Qi Dada: harsh. Is is perfectly 1101 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:37,329 Qi Dada: fine. You're well within 1102 00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:38,109 Qi Dada: your right to find 1103 00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:39,220 Qi Dada: solutions for yourself. 1104 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:43,469 Miles Bloxson: Do you all know any 1105 00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:44,639 Miles Bloxson: women that have left 1106 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,259 Miles Bloxson: Texas, like musicians 1107 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:47,549 Miles Bloxson: or artists, because 1108 00:24:47,550 --> 00:24:48,689 Miles Bloxson: of the new laws that 1109 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:50,129 Miles Bloxson: have been put in 1110 00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:51,130 Miles Bloxson: place? 1111 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:52,919 DJ Cassandra: Oh, yeah. 1112 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,999 DJ Cassandra: Yes. I'm not going to 1113 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,869 DJ Cassandra: say their names, but yes, 1114 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:56,579 DJ Cassandra: I do like quite a few. 1115 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:57,839 DJ Cassandra: And I know one 1116 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,919 DJ Cassandra: specifically is a good 1117 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,419 DJ Cassandra: friend of mine who is 1118 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,609 DJ Cassandra: on her way to leaving 1119 00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:03,479 DJ Cassandra: like two moving 1120 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,649 DJ Cassandra: outside of Texas 1121 00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:05,819 DJ Cassandra: because of that. 1122 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:07,529 DJ Cassandra: And she's an incredible 1123 00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:09,239 DJ Cassandra: singer songwriter, and 1124 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,529 DJ Cassandra: she wants to have a family, 1125 00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:11,939 DJ Cassandra: and she does not want, 1126 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,639 DJ Cassandra: you know, to have the 1127 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,079 DJ Cassandra: worry here. 1128 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,009 DJ Cassandra: And it's like, okay, 1129 00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:18,629 DJ Cassandra: well, all right, 1130 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:19,409 DJ Cassandra: great. We're going to 1131 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:20,369 DJ Cassandra: lose some incredible 1132 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:21,359 DJ Cassandra: women, you know, in 1133 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,679 DJ Cassandra: Texas because of this. 1134 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,680 DJ Cassandra: And it's like, 1135 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,849 DJ Cassandra: what? Why? 1136 00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:26,850 DJ Cassandra: You know. 1137 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:29,599 Miles Bloxson: Wow. I mean, when you 1138 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,409 Miles Bloxson: were shaking your head, 1139 00:25:30,410 --> 00:25:31,339 Miles Bloxson: I thought that you were just like. 1140 00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:32,299 Miles Bloxson: Yeah. Miles, we hear 1141 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:33,079 Miles Bloxson: your question, but 1142 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,919 Miles Bloxson: you're like, no, we 1143 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,789 Miles Bloxson: know people. 1144 00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:35,569 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Yeah, I know 1145 00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:36,559 Amanda Garcia Davenport: somebody who's 1146 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,609 Amanda Garcia Davenport: had to leave, 1147 00:25:38,780 --> 00:25:40,129 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and has come back. 1148 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:40,999 Amanda Garcia Davenport: And 1149 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,779 Amanda Garcia Davenport: families that 1150 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:42,709 Amanda Garcia Davenport: are raising daughters 1151 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:43,849 Amanda Garcia Davenport: that are leaving because 1152 00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:44,689 Amanda Garcia Davenport: of that. And they 1153 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:45,769 Amanda Garcia Davenport: don't want to 1154 00:25:45,770 --> 00:25:46,699 Amanda Garcia Davenport: have to 1155 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:47,749 Amanda Garcia Davenport: worry about their daughters. 1156 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:48,919 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I mean, and their daughters 1157 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,029 Amanda Garcia Davenport: are very young 1158 00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:50,839 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and they're 1159 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,679 Amanda Garcia Davenport: just trying to get 1160 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,359 Amanda Garcia Davenport: ahead of 1161 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,409 Amanda Garcia Davenport: the big stuff 1162 00:25:54,410 --> 00:25:55,369 Amanda Garcia Davenport: if that ever 1163 00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:56,269 Amanda Garcia Davenport: happens, you know, 1164 00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:57,499 Amanda Garcia Davenport: things ever came 1165 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:58,879 Amanda Garcia Davenport: their way. 1166 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,209 Qi Dada: Yeah, I not necessarily 1167 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:04,519 Qi Dada: leaving but not coming, 1168 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,449 Qi Dada: you know, I mean, people won't 1169 00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:06,450 Qi Dada: come. 1170 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,829 Qi Dada: I had a conversation, 1171 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:11,629 Qi Dada: you know, the SP 17 bill, 1172 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:12,979 Qi Dada: for example, you know, 1173 00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:15,199 Qi Dada: deconstructing di 1174 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,849 Qi Dada: all of that is part of this 1175 00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:18,799 Qi Dada: whole package of crazy 1176 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,639 Qi Dada: that's going on. Who we 1177 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,479 Qi Dada: perceive is crazy. 1178 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,559 Qi Dada: I think it is. 1179 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,749 Qi Dada: And, people won't 1180 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:24,769 Qi Dada: come. It was like, I'm not 1181 00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:25,729 Qi Dada: safe there. I don't know 1182 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:27,559 Qi Dada: what could happen to me out 1183 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,999 Qi Dada: there. I'm not coming. 1184 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,319 Qi Dada: You know, people who have 1185 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,399 Qi Dada: jobs offered to them. 1186 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,719 Qi Dada: They're like, I'm not coming. 1187 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,829 Qi Dada: I don't know, I have no 1188 00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:35,179 Qi Dada: idea. Like, I'm good. 1189 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:36,319 Qi Dada: And so they, they, they 1190 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,519 Qi Dada: just feel such a high level 1191 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,169 Qi Dada: of risk being able to 1192 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,759 Qi Dada: relocate here. 1193 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,999 Qi Dada: You know, that goes into, 1194 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,799 Qi Dada: you know, women feeling 1195 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,579 Qi Dada: like there's a high level of 1196 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,379 Qi Dada: risk. As I got leave, I see 1197 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:47,569 Qi Dada: that happening as well as 1198 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:48,559 Qi Dada: people wanted to leave. 1199 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,639 Qi Dada: People won't come. 1200 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,569 Miles Bloxson: Everyone that we were 1201 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:51,889 Miles Bloxson: talking to lives in 1202 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:53,389 Miles Bloxson: Texas at least part 1203 00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:54,229 Miles Bloxson: of the time. 1204 00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:55,339 Miles Bloxson: And we asked them, 1205 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:56,389 Miles Bloxson: why did they decide 1206 00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:57,829 Miles Bloxson: to stay here? 1207 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:58,819 Qi Dada: I don't believe in running 1208 00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:59,659 Qi Dada: because you should be able to 1209 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:00,769 Qi Dada: exist the way you need to 1210 00:27:00,770 --> 00:27:01,819 Qi Dada: exist wherever you want to 1211 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:02,629 Qi Dada: be. 1212 00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:03,799 Qi Dada: That's what you're right as 1213 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,029 Qi Dada: an American is supposed to 1214 00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:05,929 Qi Dada: be. 1215 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:06,829 Qi Dada: That's what it's supposed 1216 00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:07,699 Qi Dada: to be. 1217 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:08,809 Qi Dada: I just believe in your 1218 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:10,909 Qi Dada: ability to be, to exist 1219 00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:11,749 Qi Dada: as you want, where you 1220 00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:12,259 Qi Dada: want. 1221 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:13,039 Cheyenne Doerr: I'm from Texas. 1222 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,089 Cheyenne Doerr: I'm from San Antonio. 1223 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:15,829 Cheyenne Doerr: Like Amanda. 1224 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:17,239 Cheyenne Doerr: Yeah. My family is 1225 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,319 Cheyenne Doerr: largely mostly in 1226 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,549 Cheyenne Doerr: Texas. And, you 1227 00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:20,599 Cheyenne Doerr: know, the women, the 1228 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,039 Cheyenne Doerr: communities that I've 1229 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,819 Cheyenne Doerr: spent years and 1230 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:23,629 Cheyenne Doerr: years making. 1231 00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:24,469 Cheyenne Doerr: I mean, they've shown up 1232 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,369 Cheyenne Doerr: for me in more ways 1233 00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:26,869 Cheyenne Doerr: than one again and again. 1234 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:28,159 Cheyenne Doerr: Now, I will say a 1235 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,269 Cheyenne Doerr: lot of my dear friends 1236 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:30,379 Cheyenne Doerr: are moving away, not 1237 00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:31,339 Cheyenne Doerr: necessarily just for 1238 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:32,539 Cheyenne Doerr: these things, but 1239 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:34,189 Cheyenne Doerr: yeah, Texas is home. 1240 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:35,629 Cheyenne Doerr: And, you know, I've 1241 00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:36,739 Cheyenne Doerr: always seen Austin 1242 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:38,269 Cheyenne Doerr: especially like 1243 00:27:38,270 --> 00:27:39,379 Cheyenne Doerr: there is this place 1244 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:40,369 Cheyenne Doerr: of opportunity, you 1245 00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:41,419 Cheyenne Doerr: know, like I think 1246 00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:42,229 Cheyenne Doerr: that's what's always 1247 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:43,369 Cheyenne Doerr: had me coming back 1248 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:44,209 Cheyenne Doerr: and wanting to, you 1249 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:45,499 Cheyenne Doerr: know, support 1250 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:46,699 Cheyenne Doerr: artists and women 1251 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,229 Cheyenne Doerr: and just, you know, 1252 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:49,099 Cheyenne Doerr: whenever possible, 1253 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:49,939 Cheyenne Doerr: maybe tie certain 1254 00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:50,899 Cheyenne Doerr: events to a cause. 1255 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:52,459 Cheyenne Doerr: Not for a performative 1256 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:53,539 Cheyenne Doerr: look, you know, but 1257 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,319 Cheyenne Doerr: just because that's 1258 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,729 Cheyenne Doerr: just what we kind of 1259 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:57,319 Cheyenne Doerr: have to do out here. 1260 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,909 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Yeah, I mean, I, 1261 00:27:58,910 --> 00:28:00,079 Amanda Garcia Davenport: I grew up here, my family's 1262 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,889 Amanda Garcia Davenport: here, Texas is 1263 00:28:00,890 --> 00:28:01,890 Amanda Garcia Davenport: home, 1264 00:28:02,780 --> 00:28:03,559 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and somebody's 1265 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,399 Amanda Garcia Davenport: got to do the work, 1266 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,509 Amanda Garcia Davenport: you know, 1267 00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:06,349 Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, we can't. I'll 1268 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:07,609 Amanda Garcia Davenport: leave. And 1269 00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:08,539 Amanda Garcia Davenport: we've considered 1270 00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:09,589 Amanda Garcia Davenport: leaving Austin 1271 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:10,399 Amanda Garcia Davenport: once we had kids 1272 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,389 Amanda Garcia Davenport: because our family's 1273 00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:12,289 Amanda Garcia Davenport: not here. And it would be so 1274 00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:13,369 Amanda Garcia Davenport: much easier 1275 00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:14,629 Amanda Garcia Davenport: to be closer to family, 1276 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:15,619 Amanda Garcia Davenport: you know? But 1277 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:16,729 Amanda Garcia Davenport: like, the 1278 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:17,539 Amanda Garcia Davenport: community that 1279 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:19,009 Amanda Garcia Davenport: we have 1280 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:20,069 Amanda Garcia Davenport: surrounded ourselves 1281 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:21,019 Amanda Garcia Davenport: with is so beautiful 1282 00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:21,799 Amanda Garcia Davenport: and so special. 1283 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Amanda Garcia Davenport: And, 1284 00:28:24,290 --> 00:28:25,489 Amanda Garcia Davenport: yeah, we 1285 00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:26,329 Amanda Garcia Davenport: could leave. 1286 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:27,169 Amanda Garcia Davenport: But then what 1287 00:28:27,170 --> 00:28:28,170 Amanda Garcia Davenport: would happen? 1288 00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:30,619 Elizabeth McQueen: Kasey, why do you 1289 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,000 Elizabeth McQueen: stay in Texas? 1290 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:34,309 DJ Cassandra: What was it that you 1291 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:35,839 DJ Cassandra: texted me? 1292 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,799 DJ Cassandra: Something like? 1293 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,699 DJ Cassandra: It's like. 1294 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:38,989 Amanda Garcia Davenport: Peace, love and Texas. 1295 00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:40,159 DJ Cassandra: Peace love and Texas 1296 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,389 DJ Cassandra: women. 1297 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:43,009 DJ Cassandra: And that's why. 1298 00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:44,839 DJ Cassandra: Because I can't 1299 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,699 DJ Cassandra: leave. I want to, 1300 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:48,379 DJ Cassandra: and then I'm like. 1301 00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:49,219 DJ Cassandra: But there's always 1302 00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:50,689 DJ Cassandra: that that, mom, we can 1303 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:52,609 DJ Cassandra: help that friend 1304 00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:53,869 DJ Cassandra: that we can help that 1305 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:55,009 DJ Cassandra: anybody that we can 1306 00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:55,999 DJ Cassandra: help. You know, we 1307 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,779 DJ Cassandra: can't change it if we 1308 00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:58,159 DJ Cassandra: leave. And so I think 1309 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,059 DJ Cassandra: peace, love Texas. 1310 00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:00,549 DJ Cassandra: Definitely. Yeah. 1311 00:29:00,550 --> 00:29:01,550 DJ Cassandra: We love it, you know. 1312 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:07,759 Miles Bloxson: Peace, love and sex 1313 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,209 Miles Bloxson: as women. 1314 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:09,259 Elizabeth McQueen: Elizabeth I put 1315 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:10,039 Elizabeth McQueen: it on a T-shirt. 1316 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,939 Elizabeth McQueen: Peace, love and 1317 00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:12,019 Elizabeth McQueen: Texas women. 1318 00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:12,829 Miles Bloxson: We want to thank 1319 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:13,999 Miles Bloxson: Amanda Garcia for 1320 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,469 Miles Bloxson: bringing us all together, 1321 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:16,879 Miles Bloxson: and we want to thank Kidada, 1322 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,259 Miles Bloxson: Cassandra, Cheyenne, 1323 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:19,609 Miles Bloxson: Amanda, and Adrian 1324 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:21,049 Miles Bloxson: for being so open and 1325 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:22,220 Miles Bloxson: vulnerable with us. 1326 00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:28,199 Elizabeth McQueen: In the next episode, 1327 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,369 Elizabeth McQueen: you'll hear from members 1328 00:29:29,370 --> 00:29:31,169 Elizabeth McQueen: of the Lgbtqia+ 1329 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:32,069 Elizabeth McQueen: community about 1330 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:32,879 Elizabeth McQueen: how proposed 1331 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,659 Elizabeth McQueen: restrictions on 1332 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:34,769 Elizabeth McQueen: drag performances 1333 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:35,849 Elizabeth McQueen: and the ban on gender 1334 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:37,349 Elizabeth McQueen: affirming care for minors 1335 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:38,129 Elizabeth McQueen: is affecting 1336 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:38,699 Elizabeth McQueen: them. 1337 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:39,599 Miles Bloxson: Polly's play, The 1338 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,469 Miles Bloxson: Listener, supported 1339 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:41,699 Miles Bloxson: production of Katy 1340 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:43,259 Miles Bloxson: and Katy Studios in 1341 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:44,429 Miles Bloxson: Austin, Texas. 1342 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:45,239 Miles Bloxson: It is recorded, 1343 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,139 Miles Bloxson: produced and hosted 1344 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:47,699 Miles Bloxson: by me, Myles Bloxham. 1345 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:48,809 Elizabeth McQueen: And me, Elizabeth 1346 00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:49,649 Elizabeth McQueen: McQueen. 1347 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:50,459 Elizabeth McQueen: You can help make 1348 00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:51,539 Elizabeth McQueen: this podcast happen 1349 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:52,679 Elizabeth McQueen: by donating at 1350 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,779 Elizabeth McQueen: KT. 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Our 1352 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:56,699 Elizabeth McQueen: executive producer 1353 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:57,719 Elizabeth McQueen: is Matt Riley. 1354 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,679 Miles Bloxson: Zahra Krim helps 1355 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,609 Miles Bloxson: write, record and 1356 00:29:59,610 --> 00:30:00,869 Miles Bloxson: edit this episode. 1357 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:01,949 Miles Bloxson: Production assistants 1358 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:03,179 Miles Bloxson: by his senior signature. 1359 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,049 Elizabeth McQueen: Jake Pearlman and 1360 00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:05,099 Elizabeth McQueen: Matt Largey also 1361 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:05,969 Elizabeth McQueen: helped with editing 1362 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:07,199 Elizabeth McQueen: and audio production. 1363 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,519 Miles Bloxson: Stephanie Federico is 1364 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,689 Miles Bloxson: our digital editor. 1365 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:10,979 Miles Bloxson: Michael Manasi is our 1366 00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:12,509 Miles Bloxson: multimedia editor. 1367 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:13,349 Elizabeth McQueen: Special thanks to 1368 00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:14,369 Elizabeth McQueen: Todd Callahan and 1369 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:15,239 Elizabeth McQueen: Peter Bad for their 1370 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,199 Elizabeth McQueen: technical support 1371 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,219 Elizabeth McQueen: and guidance. 1372 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:18,269 Miles Bloxson: Original music for 1373 00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:19,169 Miles Bloxson: this episode was 1374 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:20,459 Miles Bloxson: created by the talented 1375 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:21,989 Miles Bloxson: Jaron Marshall. 1376 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:23,039 Elizabeth McQueen: Other music provided 1377 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,849 Elizabeth McQueen: by the talented 1378 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:25,199 Elizabeth McQueen: Jack Anderson and 1379 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,200 Elizabeth McQueen: APM.